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PatroneKonsjele #61 Posted 13 October 2015 - 02:28 PM

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View PostPer_Saukko_EU, on 24 August 2015 - 09:17 PM, said:

 

The fact you have sold 8 premium tanks just says a lot. I don't love the Proto as it is kind of a high RNG tank and I use too few premium rounds on it but I would never ever sell a tier 8 premium tank, least of all one that does clearly have strongpoints.

 

Yes, the gun is horrible for a tank without PMM and the tank isn't super fun to play because the matchmaker usually determines how useful you are but there is very little else wrong with the tank. It's not super fast but it is still clearly a medium and it has great armor. It rules in tier 8 battles, works ok at tier 9 battles and although it is deadweight in tier X, the tank is very versatile and records a very nice win rate because of that.

 

I always pity people who sell premium tanks. I have a few I barely ever play(Panther 8.8 for example) but I would never turn a tank worth lots of gold into a pile of silver the tank could earn in a couple of days. What's the point? Just a statement saying "I DON'T LIKE THE TANK SO I TURNED IT INTO NOTHING"? I have never sold a premium tank myself. I might sell the new event tank if I need the garage slot but you have sold 8 premium tanks you actually bought... Wow.

 

 

I do not regret selling those tanks (if they are not in my garage I do not have to play them). At the moment I am only playing tanks that are fun to play (premium or no premium). In selling them it maybe signals WG what tanks are disliked (at least by me). The t54prot was the last tank I bought. Since then I did not buy any premium. I still feel mislead by WG. Now at 9.10 I have a feeling that even more fully aimed shots of any tank disappear in the air or in the ground. Guess what I play a lot less, as the manipulation of WG ingame is very obvious to me. 



pudelikael #62 Posted 05 November 2015 - 10:30 AM

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When will it be taken away t10 tank battles ? 
T10, it is not possible to play a tank. 

 

175 pen with unprecedented accuracy , and are not able to play.


haclya #63 Posted 13 November 2015 - 12:52 AM

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View Postp6kk, on 05 November 2015 - 09:30 AM, said:

When will it be taken away t10 tank battles ? 
T10, it is not possible to play a tank. 

 

175 pen with unprecedented accuracy , and are not able to play.

 

T-44 have same gun. They stoped selling tanks whit prem mach making too.

Tawbi #64 Posted 30 November 2015 - 03:57 PM

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T-54 prot totally useless in tier 10 maps my *ss

 

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tajj7 #65 Posted 02 December 2015 - 01:27 PM

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Get's 183 pen in 9.13, aim time, accuracy and DPM all got buffed in 9.12 as well.

 

Can't really complain about this tank's gun anymore, it's decent enough and easily usable in tier 10 (as shown above), may need a few prem rounds but then most tier 8 meds need a few prem rounds in tier 10s. 

 

Considering most people will be like me using a good crew in this thing, the gun handling will easily be as good if not better than most other tier 8 mediums around because they will likely have just 100% if not worse crews. 


Whereas I have a 5 skill Obj 140 crew in mine, this thing top tier is just a stomp machine -

 

 

The pen buff will just mean you make more credits.

 

 

 

 



Signal11th #66 Posted 03 December 2015 - 12:33 PM

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View Posttajj7, on 02 December 2015 - 12:27 PM, said:

Get's 183 pen in 9.13, aim time, accuracy and DPM all got buffed in 9.12 as well.

 

Can't really complain about this tank's gun anymore, it's decent enough and easily usable in tier 10 (as shown above), may need a few prem rounds but then most tier 8 meds need a few prem rounds in tier 10s.

 

Considering most people will be like me using a good crew in this thing, the gun handling will easily be as good if not better than most other tier 8 mediums around because they will likely have just 100% if not worse crews.


Whereas I have a 5 skill Obj 140 crew in mine, this thing top tier is just a stomp machine -

 

 

The pen buff will just mean you make more credits.

 

 

 

 

 

Is that right? it's getting a buff? The tank is great already so I'm well happy if that's correct.

Tobiz0rZ #67 Posted 05 December 2015 - 09:47 PM

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View Postp6kk, on 05 November 2015 - 10:30 AM, said:

When will it be taken away t10 tank battles ? 
T10, it is not possible to play a tank. 

 

175 pen with unprecedented accuracy , and are not able to play.

 

If it is so terrible to play, why do you have nearly 800 battles in it? Perhaps it's the player and not the tank that is the problem here?

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View Postsignal11th, on 03 December 2015 - 11:33 AM, said:

 

Is that right? it's getting a buff? The tank is great already so I'm well happy if that's correct.

 

Yep, because the T-44 is, pen is going up to 183 average. 

HugsAndKisses #69 Posted 27 December 2015 - 01:46 AM

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After the recent buffs, this has become a truly great premium tank.

Played it all evening tonight just for the fun of it, and I will for the next couple of nights as well.



Akathis #70 Posted 27 December 2015 - 02:12 AM

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After buffs, this tank is currently broken: type 59 style with better armor but without the restricted mm. The same that happens with is3: it is a proxyspotter, brawler, sniper. Too good in my opinion.

 

It should not have been buffed.

 

Sometimes I dont know if WG balance department plays its own game.

 

 



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View PostAkathis, on 27 December 2015 - 02:12 AM, said:

After buffs, this tank is currently broken: type 59 style with better armor but without the restricted mm. The same that happens with is3: it is a proxyspotter, brawler, sniper. Too good in my opinion.

 

It should not have been buffed.

 

Sometimes I dont know if WG balance department plays its own game.

 

 

 

You do not even own the tank....

Akathis #72 Posted 27 December 2015 - 02:05 PM

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View PostPedro79, on 27 December 2015 - 11:35 AM, said:

 

You do not even own the tank....

 

Such a nonsense... You dont need to own is3, amx50-100, isu152, batchat, obj140, t62a, luchs, oi, oi exp, lefh.... and t54prot to know they are broken or op.

 


Edited by Akathis, 27 December 2015 - 04:05 PM.


Tobiz0rZ #73 Posted 04 January 2016 - 02:00 PM

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The T-54 prot is not broken with the astonishing increase 8mm of standard pen when it still has one of the lowest pen of tier 8 mediums with regular matchmaking being premium or not. Yes, it can bounce shots from even tier 10 mediums with 260-270 pen if angled correctly. But at the same time it will struggle to pen those that fire at it, even with premium apcr with a whopping 235 pen. If you are in a situation where there are tier 9 or 10 heavies up front you are screwed, they will most likely pen you all the time while you at best can penetrate their lower glacis or at worst you are forced to try and get on their flanks for even apcr to work.

 

And calling obj 140, t62a, is3 and 50 100 broken is like saying 50% of all tanks in the game are broken. You just need to adapt in order to exploit their advantages if you are the one playing them or their weaknesses if you are playing against them. The 50 100 and is3 are easily overcome if you know what to do, and the tier 10 mediums can easily be countered if you know what to do. The one tank at tier 10 that is broken, is none other than the WT auf E 100. All others are balanced in some way.



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Made the leap and bought this machine a couple of days ago. I have to say that on the whole it's been a pretty sweet honey moon with it so far. Much like have been stated here, when top tier you can absolutely bully anything short of HTs with massive health pools. Good DPM and very good armour will see you through some very nasty scraps.

 

On tier 9 and 10 (and also against my perennial nemesis, the IS-6) the penetration on the gun is just not good enough. Even loading premium ammo will often not suffice - You'll have to play as a support tank. The mobility is... not great. A slight buff on the top speed would be nice, but would probably make this thing OP as all hell :)

 

Despite its shortcomings I'm enjoying this thing WAY more than I ever did the T-44. Being one of my top performers helps this impression of course.



pudelikael #75 Posted 19 February 2016 - 09:34 AM

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Hehee bots team like all games, but i made little damage http://wotreplays.co...first_prototype:medal:

Akathis #76 Posted 19 February 2016 - 10:40 AM

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View PostTobiz0rZ, on 04 January 2016 - 02:00 PM, said:

The T-54 prot is not broken with the astonishing increase 8mm of standard pen when it still has one of the lowest pen of tier 8 mediums with regular matchmaking being premium or not. Yes, it can bounce shots from even tier 10 mediums with 260-270 pen if angled correctly. But at the same time it will struggle to pen those that fire at it, even with premium apcr with a whopping 235 pen. If you are in a situation where there are tier 9 or 10 heavies up front you are screwed, they will most likely pen you all the time while you at best can penetrate their lower glacis or at worst you are forced to try and get on their flanks for even apcr to work.

 

And calling obj 140, t62a, is3 and 50 100 broken is like saying 50% of all tanks in the game are broken. You just need to adapt in order to exploit their advantages if you are the one playing them or their weaknesses if you are playing against them. The 50 100 and is3 are easily overcome if you know what to do, and the tier 10 mediums can easily be countered if you know what to do. The one tank at tier 10 that is broken, is none other than the WT auf E 100. All others are balanced in some way.

 

Every tank you said it is an overperformer. Soviet hovermeds are op (gun soft stats, penetration values, dpm, magic armor, size, camo, mobility), so is amx 50-100 in the hands of a good player (never happens the same with, for example, the duck or the m3lee and m5, no good player can make those turds to work), is3 is op (no explanations needed). I think WT E100 is the most op tonk at tier X, followed by t22sr, e5, soviet hovermeds, batchat, is7, jpte100, ...

 

T54 prot. is another su 122-44, op for tiers 6, 7, 8 and up in tier X. Su 122-44 is grossly op in tier 5, 6, 7, 8, and up in tier IX. Therefore, the tank is broken.

 

BTW: 235 apcr pen is more than enough to perform in tier X, you only have to pick your targets wisely. I do that in my chinese scouts and meds with the awful heat ammo they had, so you should be able too in your t54 prot.



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View PostAkathis, on 19 February 2016 - 10:40 AM, said:

 

Every tank you said it is an overperformer. Soviet hovermeds are op (gun soft stats, penetration values, dpm, magic armor, size, camo, mobility), so is amx 50-100 in the hands of a good player (never happens the same with, for example, the duck or the m3lee and m5, no good player can make those turds to work), is3 is op (no explanations needed). I think WT E100 is the most op tonk at tier X, followed by t22sr, e5, soviet hovermeds, batchat, is7, jpte100, ...

 

T54 prot. is another su 122-44, op for tiers 6, 7, 8 and up in tier X. Su 122-44 is grossly op in tier 5, 6, 7, 8, and up in tier IX. Therefore, the tank is broken.

 

BTW: 235 apcr pen is more than enough to perform in tier X, you only have to pick your targets wisely. I do that in my chinese scouts and meds with the awful heat ammo they had, so you should be able too in your t54 prot.

 

Is3 is a shitty tank with ammorack the size of Moscow, the 50 100 can be raped by tier 5 lights while reloading and the waffle, where to start there? The gun is easily broken and it is prone to module damage thanks to 99,99% of the tanks that meet it fires HE at you and pens. 

 

How is it OP in tier 8 matches? Most tanks you meet have 200+ penetration and will pen your upper hull unless you can angle it at 45* angle at all times. They can also easily overmatch your ridiculously crappy turretroof or just go straight through your turretcheeks. It is only when you meet tanks with 180 or less pen that you will be able to reliably bounce shots all day, if they get above 180 pen, you actually have to do something to make sure they don't kill you. And hence it is not OP.

 

235 pen CAN work in tier 9 and 10 matches yes, but only if you have clean shots on weakspots or in their sides/rears. What do you do if you are forced to fire at a distance? Do you rush forward neglecting any possibility that there are other tanks there that will kill you long before you manage to fire a single shot in their flank?



SIRJ4MES #78 Posted 29 March 2016 - 01:27 PM

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This is a stomp machine. Learn top play guys. I love this tank.  Got a 4 skill crew from T-54.

Feels so OP in tier 8 battles. With that MM you should bully the enemy if you are a decent player.

Earn good credits too. In tier 9 and 10 battles you have to be more careful.

If you angle and wiggle the tank correctly, it can bounce 200++ pen guns.

Just bounced shots from Rhm Borsig WT and FCM 50t at close range. LOL

I only carry 10 gold shells.


 


Edited by SIRJ4MES, 29 March 2016 - 01:31 PM.


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Is there any reason to pick vents 2 over coated optics on this tank?

 

Planning to buy this thing when next time 15% discount (next weekend)

and planning to mount:

rammer, optics, vert.stab

 

I'm using girl crew so I have already BIA.

 

ps. If there is some reason to not buy this tank (with) gold, tell me. Have 10k gold to spent and looking for a premium med. 



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I bought the T54 proto and LOVE it. I never grinded the russian mediums and I do have an E-50M and Leo 1 which I enjoy, but man this is a whole different kind of gameplay. Compared to the german meds I feel like a god while driving this thing. It really fits my playstyle of driving around like a madman pwning everything with my superior mobility and close combat tactics. 

 

I'm getting a KV-13 soon and from there I will grind to the russian tier Xs. Can't wait. 

 

One obvious advantage this tank has over the Type 59 is that it can train your russian crews. I have no interest in chinese tanks. 

 

And if all else fails in Tier 10 matches, no flanking or frontal penetration: shoot the enemy's tracks and rack up some assist dmg and make them use up their repair kits. That way you're only 90% useless. 


Edited by Tr0gledyte, 10 April 2016 - 04:34 PM.





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