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M5 Stuart- is THIS a joke or just a WG's troll work of art?


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Brav_LOWE #1 Posted 10 May 2015 - 08:18 PM

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Some time ago I decided to grind the T37, which at T6 it is OP. Grinded instead the AMX 12t, but why?

 

Well, because of M5. It is a T4 tank, but really, even the AMX40 beats it. It barely has 56 pen, 78 with gold, it's slugish, it has poor camo values even with camo net and camo paint, it's got bad viewrange, it can meet T7s which he can't pen IN THE REAR... just really WG, why??? Why this tank which leads to some other awesome tanks? M41 is nice, T49 is a light KV2, T37 is OP, Chaffee is one of the best T5 scouts... yet M5 Stuart at T4 breaks the rule.

 

As a solution, I think mounting back the 75mm howitzer is better. :) 

However, still, I consider it to be the WORST scout IN THE GAME, and no, AMX 12t doesn't beat him here. At least that thing's got a gun it can relly on :|



Eokokok #2 Posted 10 May 2015 - 09:58 PM

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Yes, it is a joke. Take a look at tier 3 British LL Stuar - it has way way better gun one tier lower and is basically a better tank in every possible way. WG, you are trolls on a completely different level xD

ATLAN_DA_GONOZAL #3 Posted 20 May 2015 - 12:00 PM

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Who cares its tier 4.

12k xp is an easy grind.

 

Just spot in the beginning from good cover and stay alive no matter what.

In the end game you can be the champ because all other scout suicided and suddenly you are the only tankcapable of scouting.

 

 

 



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View PostATLAN_DA_GONOZAL, on 20 May 2015 - 12:00 PM, said:

Who cares its tier 4.

12k xp is an easy grind.

 

Just spot in the beginning from good cover and stay alive no matter what.

In the end game you can be the champ because all other scout suicided and suddenly you are the only tankcapable of scouting.

 

 

 

So much this!



Eokokok #5 Posted 18 June 2015 - 11:54 AM

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So much not, since it actually is 25k grind for two tanks ;p

CroustibatFR #6 Posted 30 June 2015 - 09:44 AM

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View PostATLAN_DA_GONOZAL, on 20 May 2015 - 12:00 PM, said:

Who cares its tier 4.

12k xp is an easy grind.

 

Just spot in the beginning from good cover and stay alive no matter what.

In the end game you can be the champ because all other scout suicided and suddenly you are the only tankcapable of scouting.

 

 

 

 

No, it really is not. I had a chaffee so could grind the bulldog line, which i did, but i waited a long time to finally try getting a T71. For this i HAD to buy an M5 again ... I really tried. and then i parked in the [edited]of an isu, and shot, shot, shot ... ding, ding, ding. Then, of course, died. You cant do damage, and you cant rely on spotting, so 12K is going to be an endless stream of 100xp defeats.

In the end i bit the bullet and freeXP'd it.

 

I think the whole point of the M5 is to say "you want these awesome t37, chaffee, t71, M41, T49, T69 and so on ? Cough up money to convert XP and skip that tur.d" .

 



manpleb #7 Posted 01 July 2015 - 04:57 PM

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You should've tried grinding the old Chaffee with the M5 Stuart when it was something like 50k+ xp needed.....then you'd have something to moan about.

Eila_Juutilainen #8 Posted 01 July 2015 - 06:00 PM

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View Postmanpleb, on 01 July 2015 - 04:57 PM, said:

You should've tried grinding the old Chaffee with the M5 Stuart when it was something like 50k+ xp needed.....then you'd have something to moan about.

 

Heavily disagree, because that M5 Stuart was at least somewhat potent with it's little howitzer. I did the old grind, and I'm glad I did. Yes, it was much longer, but at least I had a tank that was more usefull than the crappy thing there is now.

Laatikkomafia #9 Posted 01 July 2015 - 06:06 PM

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Don't expect the Chaffee to be that much better. The AP ammo's shell velocity is howitzer like -.-

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View PostEila_Juutilainen, on 01 July 2015 - 05:00 PM, said:

 

Heavily disagree, because that M5 Stuart was at least somewhat potent with it's little howitzer. I did the old grind, and I'm glad I did. Yes, it was much longer, but at least I had a tank that was more usefull than the crappy thing there is now.
You said it though ---"...it was much longer...". The old M5 may have had the 75mm howitzer but most of the time that was still useless so the M5 may have been less of a turd compared to what it is now, but it was still a turd and grinding 50k+ XP was painful.

When I re-bought the M5 to grind the M7 to go up the T71 line, I don't remember it being a particularly unpleasant grind whereas I will always remember the AMX40 grind....always.



Eila_Juutilainen #11 Posted 02 July 2015 - 04:07 PM

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I'd rather have a longer grind with a tank that's even remotely usefull, but I guess opinions differ.

armholeeio #12 Posted 03 July 2015 - 04:26 PM

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Gone are the days of rolling up to arty with the derp gun and giving them the good news, shame as it was comedy

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View PostEila_Juutilainen, on 01 July 2015 - 05:00 PM, said:

 

Heavily disagree, because that M5 Stuart was at least somewhat potent with it's little howitzer. I did the old grind, and I'm glad I did. Yes, it was much longer, but at least I had a tank that was more usefull than the crappy thing there is now.

 

This.  On the NA server I ground out both the M7 and eventually the Chaffee from the M5 with the 75mm howitzer.  I even kept the tank.  Now, with that pathetic 37mm (in single-shot or 5-round-burst) it's a crap tank that *still* gets scout matchmaking so it gets into Tier 7 battles.  Some of them with no artillery and little chance to spot for your team mates.  I'm just shy of 7,000xp of the 25,540xp I need to unlock the M7 and the Chaffee and I'm not looking forward to it at all.

 

Just give it the 47mm the Chinese M5A1 has would be a massive improvement.  It's not like it would be the first tank with a non-historical top gun.  Removing scout matchmaking would help as well.



HugsAndKisses #14 Posted 23 September 2015 - 11:01 AM

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The old Stuart with the howitzer had HEAT rounds which could penetrate KV1s in the rear some of the time.

____prophet____ #15 Posted 07 October 2015 - 02:30 AM

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It is a deeply horrible tank, in my experience even worse than M3Lee or AMX40. I should have free xp'd it but sadly I didn't. Luckily the next tank, Chaffee, is a real gem - a truly excellent little pseudo-medium.

Gremlin182 #16 Posted 07 October 2015 - 04:57 AM

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I did that grind before the changes but went back to test out the autocannon and hated it.

Don't mind an autoloader but that thing commits you to firing off the whole clip which means if a friendly is nearby and your both trying to take out the enemy you can clip them.

In any case because your on the move half the clip will miss, so if your listening WG single shot yes, Autoloader yes but autocannon a great big NO.

 

Anyway its a tier 4 scout tank so its gun is of secondary importance as if you fire at all its at other lights and SPGs and you can pen them easily.

It is true that some light tanks that entered the game more recently are more powerful its an OK light tank decent view range speed and a below average gun, the howitzer was loads more fun.

Its not a keeper by any means the tier 4 light tank that takes that honour is the Luchs

 



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Yes, you can very easily hit your team mates when fighting in close quarters... I had to fire 4 gold shells in the air many times to avoid this during my short grind.

 

About the tank though; honestly, what was WG thinking? This thing sees tier 7s, has mediocre view range, cannot circle enemies and has premium penetration of 78mm?

A not-so-good player tried to educate me in-game that I should just spot for the team, but we all know how that is in low tier games. Spotting only becomes viable in tier 9 and 10 games

and even then you need to be one of the biggest damage dealers in the game if you want to win. Consequently winning games in this

tank is almost impossible in most cases. You have to rely on your team and since its tier 7 max, you will never ever have a team in the first place!

Yeah, good luck spotting when all your "team" is licking windows in some random location and shooting houses, rocks and allies at their leisure.

 

So how do you kill tier 7s in this tank?

 

*Tiger I -spam gold in his butt and wait for a high penetration roll. And I mean SPAM gold as it's basically one in 15 shells that will penetrate.

*IS - climb above him and spam gold at his cupola directly from up above! Try doing that on most maps.

*SU-122 - pray hard that he doesn't one-shot you when you attack, and hope to have an ally nearby to distract him. Spam gold at his side and maybe pen 40% of your shells.

*KV-3? You're basically out of luck. Maybe drown yourself - it could attract your base-camping heavy ally to eventually attack the KV-3.


 

This tank is as useless as they come. I don't know why is it - maybe because WG doesn't want too many Bulldogs out there breaking the game balance?


Edited by alisuorittaja, 08 October 2015 - 01:07 PM.


leggasiini #18 Posted 08 October 2015 - 01:32 PM

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Thank god when American LTs came and saw how s*** M5's stats was like in test server, i decided to grind those 15k xp on old M5. Didnt need to play it. No matter what tank i use, i always laugh when i see one. It cant be worse than DW2, though...

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View Postleggasiini, on 08 October 2015 - 01:32 PM, said:

Thank god when American LTs came and saw how s*** M5's stats was like in test server, i decided to grind those 15k xp on old M5. Didnt need to play it. No matter what tank i use, i always laugh when i see one. It cant be worse than DW2, though...

 

Oh yes it is. DW2 is a heavenly super-tank compared to the Stuart. Even if DW2 had no engine, it could still do more damage sitting still the entire game. DW2 gets preferential MM and a very nice gold shell, the Stuart gets f****d. That's how it is.

Edited by alisuorittaja, 08 October 2015 - 01:35 PM.


koaluche #20 Posted 08 October 2015 - 04:20 PM

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The english stuart has a quite good gun, if i remember well that's around 100mm penetration.




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