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leggasiini #21 Posted 08 October 2015 - 07:36 PM

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View Postalisuorittaja, on 08 October 2015 - 02:35 PM, said:

 

Oh yes it is. DW2 is a heavenly super-tank compared to the Stuart. Even if DW2 had no engine, it could still do more damage sitting still the entire game. DW2 gets preferential MM and a very nice gold shell, the Stuart gets f****d. That's how it is.

 

jesus, a tank that makes DW2 looks good...

 

 

Im about to faint...



FirdenSyme #22 Posted 09 October 2015 - 04:06 PM

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The interesting thing is that for expected experience earnt the M5 is middling for T4 lights but for WN8 it is well and truly at the bottom.  Other expected value positions that show why this is the case: 3rd for spotting and 4th for assisted damage through spotting.  

 

Personally I am using it to grind camo on a crew before I get the Chaffee and it is a frustrating tank to play as you have to get into position very early to get those spots; unfortunately as I am still useless at lights this ends up with me often being the first casualty of the game.



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Spot and kill arty, probably the only thing you can do with that tank

XPuntar #24 Posted 24 December 2015 - 06:38 PM

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This tank is the worst tank of all T4 even when compared to AMX 40 and DW2.

 

M3 Lee? LOL

 

Lee do have a very special gameplay but at least it has quite a good gun for T4.

 

M5 Stuart is actually the worst tank to play across all tiers by far!!!

 

So please remove scout MM from this tank as it is useless most of the time even against T5 heavies and you will ding even against T5 mediums with APCR!

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Btw, angled Bishop can easily ding M5 Stuart shells

 

 


Edited by XPuntar, 24 December 2015 - 06:39 PM.


Lycopersicon #25 Posted 30 December 2015 - 12:02 AM

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I just finished a session of mostly playing M5 Stuart, because I wanted to unlock Chaffee during the discount. After 24 battles, I would say that M5 is not nearly as bad as I expected (after having read all those horror stories). Sure, the gun has awful penetration; this is just something the player must accept. Speed is superb, viewrange as well (not sure why OP states the opposite but that is clearly wrong), burst damage is okay. Drum reload feels too long, but what I find most frustrating is the bloody full drum burst - often you can just fire one or two shells towards a target, then he runs away or dies, and you must stupidly aim towards the sky to avoid damaging your allies because that stick just keeps spitting out shells. This is where e.g. Covenanter is far superior: the Bofors gun can put two shells into one enemy, then two into another.

 

All in all, I'd say that if you don't expect too much, then M5 Stuart can actually be fun.


Edited by Lycopersicon, 30 December 2015 - 12:29 AM.


Barba_Electrica #26 Posted 22 May 2016 - 09:30 PM

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____prophet____ #27 Posted 16 July 2016 - 12:25 AM

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The real joke here is how incredibly good the Chinese Stuart is. That one gets 130mm APCR pen and nice soft gun stats. I've played it a little to train a Chinese LT crew and it's amazing in its potential. Really funny WG. Why can't you give the American Stuart a gun too? It's amazing just how good the Chinese version is with the biggest difference being it can actually hurt most enemy tanks which the US version simply cannot.

 

My damage per game in the Chinese Stuart: 660. The American one? 270. GG. (Playing mostly tier 7 in the US Stuart made me very sick within; in the Chinese version I hope to get tier 7 games for the extra damage...)


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I am astonished ( now I am grinding towards the Tier 6 American Light tanks for clan wars )

, just how BAD the M5 is , with an awful autoloader that cant be switched off , which is a real pain when you need to take an aimed shot

and I am ending up using the stock gun - its at least , fairly accurate - the gun upgrade is NOT an upgrade -
 

now compared the Chinese M5A1 - a real joy ,with great guns which you can take down enemy heavies 2 tiers above


 


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73north #29 Posted 30 August 2016 - 08:20 PM

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well , I finally got the Ace Tanker in the M5 Stuart , whilst unlocking the next 2 tanks - and my thoughts on this light tank have not changed.....

its the worst tier 4 light tank --------

its got an awful autoloader - that you can't switch off ( like Pz1c ) but unlike the Pz1c , which is devastating at close quarters -

the M5 actually struggles to pen and also the shots cant easily be aimed unless really close

and circling the enemy ( and that is suicide in this tank , usually ) - I found the auto-loader to be garbage , frankly .

I found the stock 37mm M5 gun , to be really underpowered for penetration , having to fire gold constantly ( as the standard AP shells have only 56mm pen !! )

even then , with 78mm penetration with the APCR you really struggle to hurt tanks a tier above you ,

to give an example - the Chinese M5A1 ( at Tier 4 ) is a far better tank

with that final 47mm Gun ( Type 1 ) with 81mm penetration with AP shells ( and 130mm with APCR ) so you get far worse penetration in the M5 even firing gold !



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I like the stuart, its a spotter pure and simple, never even shoot the enemy except as a distraction. Its very good at getting the spots and getting out, playing it as an active scout is highly rewarding.

 

It does need a better gun though, not because lights should do damage but because it faces up to tier VII tanks. Any tank that can't pen loads of tanks it faces from the rear with premium is silly. 



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GL spotting anything against T6+

 

The worst tank by far across all tiers.

 

Seriously, even some T2 tanks have better guns that this T4 US "wanabe scout"!

 

REMOVE SCOUTING FROM THIS TANK, SERIOUSLY!



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Full APCR is the way to go, even against the majority of higher tier artilleries (as those tend to get eaten less by tracks than standard AP rounds). In the end, I would rarely switch to AP, despite the huge credit loss. A win rate of 46% over 50 battles it took to reache Ace Tanker badge is simply depressing.

 

M5 can be fun, at times, but those instances are exceedingly rare. M24 is a lot more fun, however.



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In most of my 400 battles in the M5 I used the howitzer and quite liked it. At these times you could use it to detrack tier 6 and 7 heavies for your arty, which actually was a thing in the days when the players wrote 'save your arty' in the beginning of each battle. The Howitzer could also do nicely against weakly armored opponents like enemy scouts of course. Since I had to use the 37 mm dealing damage or detracking was near impossible. Still, in the early days the main job of the M5 was as a 'bush scout'. A little sluggish, but small enough to hide in strategic spotting positions. I'm quite proud on my 60% WR doing this. Unfortunately, I think some of these positions are less useful now after several map reworks and the new maps usually never had them, hence fast moving scouts are much more potent today. However, sniping, and thus spotting, plays a smaller role now anyhow, since the line of sight is often obstructed by buildings and sloped terrain. Does anyone remember the 'magic forest' at all? I have the feeling that the whole game has gotten much more fast paced over the years, as long as you don't play arty at least. Though this is enjoyable for many reasons, it kills the already nerfed M5 and I also think that a bit of the cooperative and strategic gameplay was lost due to this.



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Its obviously so weak because...think about japanese heavies,the first tiers until O-I are horrible but type 5 heavy is OP,its so weak because its the price for the next 5 op tiers.

Sowa_95 #35 Posted 12 April 2017 - 04:15 PM

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I think the gun is ridiculous. I really enjoyed the chinese Stuart, and the only major difference between them is the gun. If I remember correctly, the M5a1 has better penetration on standard shells than M5 on "skill" rounds. It should be buffed definitely.

 

BTW I get passed through M5 Stuart some time ago, but I decided to come across this tank once more to unlock the medium tank M7. Then I realized the M5 has an autoloader. I asked myself -  "How could I play without this gun? Why I don't remember this gun?". I decided to mount it immediately. But guess what, you can't controll the burst. It has 10 or 5 shells (don't remember) ready to be spammed in one single burst! Thanks to one click of a button! I was really disappointed. The regular gun is literally useless, but the autoloader is even worse.



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I didn't mind the M5. I've done it twice now and it's alright spotter I guess. The gun is crap but the grind is so short that you'll breeze through it with what you got.

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M5 is currently the best mid-low tier American LT. I liked it but it was no Chaffee. Can't say the same now, though.

 

We have a new baddie in town and he wants revenge for your comments :)



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View PostWindSplitter1, on 11 June 2017 - 03:31 PM, said:

M5 is currently the best mid-low tier American LT. I liked it but it was no Chaffee. Can't say the same now, though.

 

We have a new baddie in town and he wants revenge for your comments :)

 

What are you talking about? Don't try to fool newcomers :D It's the same Stuart as before. It has the potential to be a "baddie", but not with this awful gun, not to mention useless autoloader. This game is about shooting, and this tank can't punch a hole. As I told before, Chinese version M5A1 has better penetration on standard rounds than M5 on premium rounds, which is ridiculos.

 

Just to illustrate the difference of the gun:

AP penetration - 56 vs 81 !!!

APCR penetration - 78 vs 130 (VK 28.01 and Type 64 both has about 130 mm of penetration on AP)

DPM - regular gun 1100 dpm, autloader 1250 dpm. What about M5A1's 1750 dpm? How do you like that? (better dpm than Chafee)

 

Even in terms of mobility, M5A1 is better, thanks to better ground resistance and higher power to weight ratio.

The only thing that makes the M5 better is gun handling when rotating the turret or after firing (hold on, M5A1 has better handling when on the move - quid pro quo) and better view range (350 vs 360m). Everything else about M5A1 is better or identicall. So think about it, which light tank is the real deal at tier IV?



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View PostSowa_95, on 17 June 2017 - 09:31 AM, said:

 

What are you talking about? Don't try to fool newcomers :D It's the same Stuart as before. It has the potential to be a "baddie", but not with this awful gun, not to mention useless autoloader. This game is about shooting, and this tank can't punch a hole. As I told before, Chinese version M5A1 has better penetration on standard rounds than M5 on premium rounds, which is ridiculos.

 

Just to illustrate the difference of the gun:

AP penetration - 56 vs 81 !!!

APCR penetration - 78 vs 130 (VK 28.01 and Type 64 both has about 130 mm of penetration on AP)

DPM - regular gun 1100 dpm, autloader 1250 dpm. What about M5A1's 1750 dpm? How do you like that? (better dpm than Chafee)

 

Even in terms of mobility, M5A1 is better, thanks to better ground resistance and higher power to weight ratio.

The only thing that makes the M5 better is gun handling when rotating the turret or after firing (hold on, M5A1 has better handling when on the move - quid pro quo) and better view range (350 vs 360m). Everything else about M5A1 is better or identicall. So think about it, which light tank is the real deal at tier IV?

 

See, I was referring to American Light Tanks... :facepalm:

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View PostWindSplitter1, on 17 June 2017 - 11:22 AM, said:

 

See, I was referring to American Light Tanks... :facepalm:

 

And which are the other mid/low tier American light tanks you are referring to? Are you basically saying M5 is better than the M3 at tier 3?

 

The M3 has the same gun and sees max tier 4 enemies btw.






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