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meltybg #41 Posted 16 August 2011 - 06:58 AM

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View Postphawkins1988, on 16 August 2011 - 01:01 AM, said:

Well you've used the lowest rof figure for the T-44, not sure that's accurate.  if it's 8.5 rather than 7.06 the dpm isn't much behind at all.

In any case, dps isn't so important when you get to tier 8+ (see how lots of people prefer the objects gun to the jagdtiger's despite the dps advantage of the latter).  I agree that the 100mm is the worst of the tier 8 med guns, I just disagree with the specific point that was raised (ie. not enough damage).  It's the aim time, lack of accuracy compared to the 88, and lack of pen that makes it worse.

Agreed that the tier 8 meds are balanced too.

Just to clarify, I didn't use the lowest value but the average value of both.
Lowest value dpm is ~ 1624
Highest value dpm is ~ 1840 - still behind

Anyway, the gun is good for its tier, don't forget it is T7 gun, not T8 - supposed to be lesser. Anyway you have the possibility to use the greater gun (390 dmg, twice less rof and less pen), but almost no one uses it for obvious reasons - it sucks more than the 100mm.

Edit: ROF for T-44 change from 8.5 to proper 8 for calculation.

mondog #42 Posted 16 August 2011 - 07:11 AM

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I tried the tier 8 gun but undecided. The reload is so slow. Might go back to the other gun.

the_other_guy #43 Posted 16 August 2011 - 09:07 AM

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I like the T44. At first I said the same "what a joke", but then I got used with it and since then I have an average of 700 xp / game and 18k credits(without premium). I like to rush with other mediums to important points on the map. I don't use a WAR (I think I got killed twice because of this so far). I use the vertical stab., rammer and ventilation.
The tank has great maneuverability, it's very agile, fast and if you get to know it, it is quite the weapon. Of course there are fights where you get overwhelmed by enemies, but that is only if your team is weak.
I don't know about the tire 8 gun (I don't think I want to spent 20k xp for it yet, I will after I get the T54), but the 100m does good damage. I go for the tracks and get behind the enemy (whenever possible in 1-vs-1 combat), or move/take cover and shot. I do enjoy shooting while moving, it has great accuracy.
To sum up, I think you have to know the tank and then you will change your mind. I am definitely gonna keep it (and make it elite) even after I get T54. But then again, every user with his own opinion.

meltybg #44 Posted 16 August 2011 - 10:29 AM

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I just wonder if there is a reason why we can not research the LB-1 gun with T-44... Same tier 7, but greater rof, aims faster and is more accurate.

war4peace #45 Posted 16 August 2011 - 06:43 PM

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View PostKazuya, on 09 August 2011 - 12:54 PM, said:

I bought WAR and installed it the moment i bought T-44 so far 140 battles only 2 ammo rack explosions and even those were when i was low hp anyways.


Yeah? Look at this... (I linked the image, apparently this forum doesn't allow posting it directly)
I know image is LARGE, but for those not caring to look, I was hit TWICE, and BOTH shots hit my Ammo Rack, one damaged it, the other made it go BOOM. That happened in 2 seconds.
Yes, I have WAR.
This happened WITH WAR.
The second shot came from a PzIV.

Look, Wargaming, no offense. But if THIS sort of crap happens... then it's REALLY time too look at the T-44 again. Something's awfully wrong there.

T-44 2x Ammo Rack

Timopanda #46 Posted 16 August 2011 - 07:39 PM

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View Postwar4peace, on 16 August 2011 - 06:43 PM, said:

Yeah? Look at this... (I linked the image, apparently this forum doesn't allow posting it directly)
I know image is LARGE, but for those not caring to look, I was hit TWICE, and BOTH shots hit my Ammo Rack, one damaged it, the other made it go BOOM. That happened in 2 seconds.
Yes, I have WAR.
This happened WITH WAR.
The second shot came from a PzIV.

Look, Wargaming, no offense. But if THIS sort of crap happens... then it's REALLY time too look at the T-44 again. Something's awfully wrong there.

T-44 2x Ammo Rack

Same thing happened to me today, i was searching for enemy arty and then i confront enemy panther 2. He hit my ammo rack with his first shot, he had just over 200 hp left (i had smth like 1100hp) so i decided to finish him before repairing my ammo rack and guess what happened? He shot again to my damaged ammo rack completely destroying it. So what i just learned, repair your damaged ammo rack as early as possible because the next shot will be death of you.

WinG_HU #47 Posted 24 August 2011 - 09:59 AM

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I didn't have WAR. I bought rammer, gun laying drive and vent. I think WAR is unnecessary, it's a defensive stuff, and in a medium tank you need to be agressive and offensive. Results: 190 victories, 119 defeats, 59% win ratio, and my kill ratio is over 1.

After a few dozens of battles you'll learn how to position your turret to avoid instant pops. Your job is to harrass the enemy, not to survive the whole battle.

Edward_Teague #48 Posted 24 August 2011 - 08:31 PM

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View PostWinG_HU, on 24 August 2011 - 09:59 AM, said:

I didn't have WAR. I bought rammer, gun laying drive and vent. I think WAR is unnecessary, it's a defensive stuff, and in a medium tank you need to be agressive and offensive. Results: 190 victories, 119 defeats, 59% win ratio, and my kill ratio is over 1.

After a few dozens of battles you'll learn how to position your turret to avoid instant pops. Your job is to harrass the enemy, not to survive the whole battle.

Ur right! WAR is unnecessary! U will never be ammo racked from the front of ur t-44. Sides are the killer.

This is where most noobs fail at. If u get shot in the side when in t-44 ur doing something wrong.
They get an idiot gun rush all the way to the other side of the map and ten try circling around a KT....

Ain't going to work...

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View PostEdward_Teague, on 24 August 2011 - 08:31 PM, said:

Ur right! WAR is unnecessary! U will never be ammo racked from the front of ur t-44. Sides are the killer.
Not only the sides, you have to watch the turret too. From personal experience I think ammo rack is in more than one place. Mostly on the left side of hull and turret. Got a WAR recently but I still aim a bit left after firing a shot. Similar to what you had to do with KT before the gun mantle fix.

Also, since high pen shots can go through your tank, damaging multiple modules, there's no guarantee that frontal positioning will save you from ammo rack damage. If a shot pens you, it is bad.

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As previous poster said, there is no guarantee that if you are front turret facing the enemy you won't get Ammo rack one shot dead. Turret ammo is 120mm in front/ 100 mm sides and back, meaning if you have more than 220mm pen the shell can go through your entire turret (more or less). So any shot having this pen and pointing at ammo rack direction will cease your existence (more or less).
I personally am using WAR. I bought it after 3 consecutive games of ammo rack and for the last 10 games I had 5 ammo racks. If you put it cost wise, it will be more expensive not to buy WAR than buying it.

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View Postmeltybg, on 25 August 2011 - 12:30 PM, said:

As previous poster said, there is no guarantee that if you are front turret facing the enemy you won't get Ammo rack one shot dead. Turret ammo is 120mm in front/ 100 mm sides and back, meaning if you have more than 220mm pen the shell can go through your entire turret (more or less). So any shot having this pen and pointing at ammo rack direction will cease your existence (more or less).
I personally am using WAR. I bought it after 3 consecutive games of ammo rack and for the last 10 games I had 5 ammo racks. If you put it cost wise, it will be more expensive not to buy WAR than buying it.

Well, if you are hit by a gun of 220 mm penetration, even WAR won't save your ass :P

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View PostWinG_HU, on 25 August 2011 - 01:24 PM, said:

Well, if you are hit by a gun of 220 mm penetration, even WAR won't save your ass :P
Saved me quite a few times. ;)

Not sure, but i think it's possible to get ammoracked from the front hull like the IS series.

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The T-44 has been consistently the worst performing T8 medium ever since the patch that fixed the warping way back in beta.

And you forgot to mention that it has the lowest HP of the three by a large margin.

1300 hp T-44
1440 hp Pershing
1450 hp Panther II

DPM

8 x 230 = 1840 T-44 D10T
3.57 x 390 = 1392.3 T-44 D-25-44
8.4 x 240 = 2016 Pershing T15E2M2
9.84 x 220 = 2164.8 Panther II 88L/71

Gun Accuracy and Aiming time

.37 acc 2.5 aim T-44 D10T
.38 acc 3 aim T-44 D-25-44
.32 acc 2 aim Pershing T15E2M2 (Better accuracy on move than average as passive bonus from tracks)
.3 acc 2.5 aim Panther II 88L/71

Gun Depression
T-44 worst
Panther II better
Pershing best

Armor: Glacis (Values listed below are in degrees deviation from vertical)
102mm @ 46 degrees = 146.8mm effective (126mm with angle nerf) Pershing
90mm @ 60 degrees = 180mm effective (140mm with angle nerf) T-44
100mm @ 55 degrees = 174mm effective (141.4mm with angle nerf) Panther II

Armor: Turret
120mm T-44
Infinite mm on mantlet, 114mm on frontal not covered by mantlet Pershing
Infinite mm on mantlet, 120mm on frontal not covered by mantlet Panther II

HP: Ammo Rack
150-200hp T-44
Over 400hp Pershing
Over 400hp Panther II

Track HP:
150-180hp T-44
180-200hp Pershing
200-240hp Panther II (Also has skirt armor of 16mm that greatly reduces damage from HE from sides)

Frontal Advantageously Exploitable Weaknesses (Non armor related)
Center of lower glacis - Transmission Panther II
Anywhere on front of turret - Gunner/Loader/Gun - T-44
Frontal Turret excluding mantlet - Gunner/Loader - Panther II
Commander's Hatch - Commander - Pershing (Negligible importance)

The location of the ammo rack on T-44 is anywhere on the sides and also on rear of turret as well as left side of glacis from attackers viewpoint.
Location of ammo rack on both Panther II and Pershing is small location directly under turret on the sides as well as rear of turret.

Top Speed:
48kph Pershing
51kph T-44
55kph Panther II

Turn Speed:
29d/s Panther II (/w Turn in Place allowing maximum turn speed to be realized at speeds under half of full)
38d/s Pershing (/w Turn in Place allowing maximum turn speed to be realized at speeds under half of full)
45d/s T-44 (/wo Turn in Place thus limiting turn speed to drastically low levels when vehicle traveling at less than half of full speed)


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View Postdasta, on 09 August 2011 - 06:58 AM, said:

Its only me or T44 is very weak on his tier.Ammo rack explosion,low gun dmg etc...If i face med 1 or 2 tier below me i got always destroyed and he have 70-80% HP left...

When i face Panthers ,Pershing ,Patton = i got destroyed like loltractor...

Dude,if you want pozitive rep do not whine about Russian tanks.

-Just a frendly advice.

Edward_Teague #55 Posted 25 August 2011 - 06:39 PM

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What T-44 really needs is a +1 on 122mm rof!
Thist would make it pure win sauce!

Volccis #56 Posted 26 August 2011 - 08:15 PM

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T-44 would be good in tier 7 but in tier 8 its bad. Not fun to play with it.

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View PostVolccis, on 26 August 2011 - 08:15 PM, said:

T-44 would be good in tier 7 but in tier 8 its bad. Not fun to play with it.
Well, the "armor" is basically the same as in t34-85, not ignited as t43 with more speed and moblity, that's it basically. The gun is pure crap tbh, but at least you finally get to actually move without being out manovered by a maus (slowest thing i can recall). :P

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View Postnecrodeath, on 26 August 2011 - 11:25 PM, said:

Well, the "armor" is basically the same as in t34-85, not ignited as t43 with more speed and moblity, that's it basically. The gun is pure crap tbh, but at least you finally get to actually move without being out manovered by a maus (slowest thing i can recall). :P

say t95. that's even slower :P

HighFlyer15 #59 Posted 27 August 2011 - 09:33 AM

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You shouldn't get the best medium in all tier by going through one medium tree, so suck it up that the T-44 isn't a perfect warmachine and give into the balance! :) when you get to the T-54 you'll outrun and outscout everyone, so it all adds up..

GoldStar #60 Posted 29 August 2011 - 12:36 PM

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Got mine unlocked and played a few battles.. even with new tracks and new turret it is still shit... this is gonna be long run till the T-54... sigh....




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