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Brazilski #1 Posted 11 June 2015 - 12:31 PM

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The M4A1 Revalorisé (re-valued/re-appraised/upgraded), most commonly known as the Super Sherman. Basically an A1 Sherman with a 105(mm) rifled gun. Built by the French, but used extensively (and only) by Israel.

 

http://ritastatusrep...er-sherman.html

 

Apart from the images on WOT-News, there seems to be fairly little info about its future implementation ingame. The above report suggests it will be a Tier VIII (!) French premium. I guess it'll have to be with thát gun, though it kinda points of having it in the first place. It'll basically be a smaller, but squish version of the Centurion mk. 7/1, with poorer gun handling an penetration (due to shorter barrel length?).

 

With high alpha and still decent penetration on a flimsy chassis it could be an interesting yet balanced premium, as premiums are supposed to under-perform compared to elited similar tier tanks. It would certainly stand out amongst the other Tier VIII premium meds with low to medium alpha and penetration. However, I seriously doubt how the A1 Sherman's armor (or rather lack thereoff) and probable sub-Firefly mobility could be stretched all the way to Tier VIII. It wouldn't be a glass cannon, it would a eggshell porcelain cannon, placed on a heavy marble pedestal.

 

 



Eila_Juutilainen #2 Posted 11 June 2015 - 12:49 PM

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It very likely won't be a premium, since we already have the AMX CDC in the tech tree and there is only one 'slot' for every class and tier combination. So unless it will be a 'exclusive premium' like Rudy, Grosstraktor, AMX 1357 and the Berlin Quartet tanks, this will be a obtainable through Personal Missions, Clan Wars or Stronghold (remember, there are plans to introduce a special shop with special vehicles to SH).

Brazilski #3 Posted 11 June 2015 - 01:45 PM

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Well they could always decide to down-tier it,.. wouldn't hurt really.

 

But having it as a non-regular premium would make sense too. It's just gonna be too odd otherwise, with that combination of gun and chassis.



Iron_Snake #4 Posted 12 June 2015 - 03:09 PM

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Imagine this tank as a T5 armed with 105...blast!

Edited by Iron_Snake, 12 June 2015 - 03:09 PM.


Brazilski #5 Posted 12 June 2015 - 09:23 PM

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Hmmm,.. well, the Dicker Max proved a non-derp 105(mm) can work at lower tiers. Maybe they could use that for reference. With the shorter barrel length and rfelatively cramped turret, it wouldn't be too hard to justify lower pen, shell speed, RoF, accuracy, and/or alpha.

Legiondude #6 Posted 13 June 2015 - 10:27 AM

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They already justified really low pen for that gun(200mm standard), going further would be pushing it

Eila_Juutilainen #7 Posted 13 June 2015 - 10:41 AM

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View PostBrazilski, on 12 June 2015 - 09:23 PM, said:

Hmmm,.. well, the Dicker Max proved a non-derp 105(mm) can work at lower tiers. Maybe they could use that for reference. With the shorter barrel length and rfelatively cramped turret, it wouldn't be too hard to justify lower pen, shell speed, RoF, accuracy, and/or alpha.

 

View PostLegiondude, on 13 June 2015 - 10:27 AM, said:

They already justified really low pen for that gun(200mm standard), going further would be pushing it

 

 

They can, however, justify lower alpha. Just like we have two 90mm guns on tier 6 with different pen but same damage, M6/Hellcat vs ARL 44/ARL V39, they could pull the same here. That would give us a shitty medium with a high-pen 105mm gun against a fast medium with a low(er)-pen gun: the A-44. Tier 7 seems appropriate with that.



Brazilski #8 Posted 13 June 2015 - 01:47 PM

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Well we have unarmoured Sherman's at Tier VI, so I guess Tier VII would be manageable as well.

ArmouredElephant #9 Posted 05 July 2015 - 06:20 PM

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Make it squishy, but with enough Hp,a good pen with lots of damage & I'll buy it since i need a trainer for my already old Lorraine and my future Bat-chat.

robertunio1 #10 Posted 17 July 2015 - 06:27 PM

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This tank looks promising as sniper IMO, but I wish to know what is its penetration at 500m as you can easy find penetration values for 100m but if you wish to know gun penetration values at 500m it is hidden and you can not find it on official website or in-game, and I wish Wargaming finally sort this out for good for all in-game vehicles. 

Eila_Juutilainen #11 Posted 27 July 2015 - 02:21 PM

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"- it seems that the French Sherman Revalorisé will be a regular premium shop vehicle"

 

Source: http://ritastatusrep...q-action-x.html

 

Interesting news. I wonder what will come of it.



hes_a_pirate #12 Posted 07 September 2015 - 06:47 PM

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All I see is a Tier 8 Firefly, and I'm not complaining because I enjoyed Firefly a lot.

Here's hoping Wargaming will make it a premium for an affordable price (around Panther 88 or CDC would be more than enough).

Fruchtmixx9000 #13 Posted 02 October 2015 - 08:17 PM

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shot_008.jpg

 

If you want some specs.

 

Pretty awesome stats so far. Looks like it's going to be like a British-turreted TD, but faster turret turn rate and less penetration.



Brazilski #14 Posted 02 October 2015 - 10:18 PM

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Turret turn rate seems to be almost like a proper medium's.

 

Dat price though,..

 

With literally NO armour, at Tier VIII, with a Tier V engine (so no mobility either), and horrendous aim time, I can't see the price being justified by just the gun. 200(mm) of penetration is still not enough on a tank that can neither flank nor take a single hit. Soft stats like, camouflage, shell trajectory and velocitiy might do some more good, but I suspect these will be less than stellar.



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But it has 1.400 Hitpoints and with the small silhouette, you might be able to sneak around enemies in large forests.

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I'm liking the look of it, it's basically a tier 8 Firefly, from QB's review the mobility is good enough, plus you have that decent turret and hull traverse meaning you can nip about in flanking positions and quickly get side shots etc.

 

Plus though 200mm pen is not amazing, when you add in 1400 m/s shell speed, this thing will hit targets before they pull back at medium and longer ranges.

 

If I was picky I'd want more power to weight, a better aim time and a little more accuracy, but watching the gameplay of the tank the 2.8 second aim time is not that bad as the bloom seems fairly decent and unlike most TDs you can put a v-stab on this. 

 

I feel that it's kind of like a Charioteer that trades pen, DPM and mobility for more HP, way better soft stats (Charioteer bloom is terrible, like you might as well have a 5 second aim time) gun depression and agility (nearly 3 times the turret traverse) so kind of like a premium turreted TD combined with a sluggish medium package. Plus whilst technically it has no armour the gun mantlet will troll people, you'll get bounces from tier 6 and 7 vehicles on it. 

 

Also like the fact it has 4 crew members, had to use an extra girl crew for the CDC so my Bat Chat crew worked, means they will swap perfectly into this. 

 

Think I will pick it up as long as they don't nerf it or change that shell cost as I think this will be a fun little credit grinder, basically a more comfortable T-34-3. 

 

As a side note, it has more track and ammo rack HP than most tier 8 heavies, in fact as much track HP as most tier 9 heavy tanks. Though the engine has terrible HP (though lowish fire chance), but means it shouldn't get ammo racked or tracked that easily. Can quite easily use food consumables on it I think. 



TheRealSpooky #17 Posted 05 October 2015 - 01:29 PM

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When is it coming though?

tajj7 #18 Posted 06 October 2015 - 10:26 AM

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9.10 I think or 10 or whatever WG are calling the next patch. 

James_Potkukelkka #19 Posted 06 October 2015 - 10:52 PM

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Hopefully this come in game shop, not some f******g bundle.

Gal_Ardent #20 Posted 07 October 2015 - 05:41 PM

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Already in RU premium shop for 30€ around not bundled with gold or premium account days...

Is a must have for me...




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