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armholeeio #21 Posted 17 July 2015 - 06:08 AM

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Played my 1st couple of games in it, was fully upgraded post removal of my awesomepanther. I do agree that it's a bit meh on the 1st inspection. Damage is good and in the right hands it could be a menace, but the auto is pants! haven't tried the single shot yet as in two minds to spend money buying the single or just sell it and go on to the ru152. It does need a bit of a buff  on acceleration or aim time, it gets dull pretty quick waiting to fully aim and then have one shot vanish off on a orbital run  and only one shell doing a low damage roll,  the other  bounced off the shield of a borsig

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View PostSMR, on 15 July 2015 - 11:27 PM, said:

Gun behaves like a 1390 gun, its managable.

 

Yeah but the AMX has a 6 shot burst. The tier 7 AMX 13 75 has twice better rate of fire and a more accurate gun and slight better aimtime too. This new AWFUL German LT needs a lot of love to make it competitive to the other tier 7 LTs. I prefer to take my Walker Bulldog into battle whicht is in almost all situations the better and more fun tank.

Fluffy_The_Destroyer #23 Posted 17 July 2015 - 10:43 AM

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M41 is master race LT. id take M41 rather than any ter 8 normal tank. also AMX 13 57 mobility is horrific... im sure SPIC is better in that catagory. nothing can be worse than 13 75.

Cobra6 #24 Posted 17 July 2015 - 10:59 AM

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View PostSMR, on 16 July 2015 - 04:00 PM, said:

And why would you be sniping in a light tank at such extreme ranges? Adapt your playstyle to the tank.

 

Because you have good penetration, nice camo and no armour so there is sometimes no need to expose yourself at close range to enemies when you can dispatch of them at long range.

 

We're not talking about a medium tank with armour here that belongs at the absolute front-line.

 

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View Postvoodoospirit, on 15 July 2015 - 12:16 PM, said:

played only 2 games with it (had the akf elited so i got the full modules unlocked)  with a 75% crew...felt like having a 13 75 ( a T44 managed to go/accelerate faster than me) with a slow reload gun and most important a slow shell....i felt like shooting HE with my VK2801...missed my first targets as it surprised me...dunno which is better, the autoloader with the burst ( despite 3sec inter loader) or the classical gun and it s 7.5sec? reload...

 

on the upperhand..the tank seems to have a good depression..

 

i guess if i keep this tank ( it cost me too much to try it anyway , now) , it gonna be like the PTA and leo 1....a 2nd line support tank , like the afk panther ( without the ramming mode) ....

 

Regular gun is better than the autoloader, but just like in the T37 I can say no to a autoloader.



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Won't paste any stats on tank as i do 200 games at least in it to do so. So far tho:

 

-> its a really good spotter actually, good camo and view range are a killer, bit tall but i didnt have a problem yet

-> gun is as SMR alrdy said: "1390 style". Its still a good one tho when you get used to it.

-> manouverability is quite ok, not best but also not as bad as people write here

 

Just play it and get a hang of it. Those expecting another Aufkl.Panther are wrong, its a different tank so try to learn it and you will see after if it suits you playstyle or not. 



armholeeio #27 Posted 19 July 2015 - 07:33 AM

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While I miss my awesomepanther I had not expected this new light to be a clone of it, just expected it would be fooking fast as it had no armour, a German elc on crack! But it feels sluggish to me

SMR_FV #28 Posted 20 July 2015 - 02:44 PM

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It's fast enough.

Tazilon #29 Posted 20 July 2015 - 03:09 PM

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View PostSMR, on 20 July 2015 - 01:44 PM, said:

It's fast enough.

 

It really isn't.  Mediums can beat it to zone of control fights and prime spotting locations.  The SP 1. C is the result of 1 player colluding with Wargaming to try to force a tank which should not be a Tier VII Scout into being a Tier VII Scout.  Its gun is an anti-tank TD gun - it was meant to provide anti-tank capability to recon units - and everything else doesn't meet Scout standards except its arbitrarily assigned View Range.

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View PostTazilon, on 20 July 2015 - 02:09 PM, said:

 

It really isn't.  Mediums can beat it to zone of control fights and prime spotting locations.  The SP 1. C is the result of 1 player colluding with Wargaming to try to force a tank which should not be a Tier VII Scout into being a Tier VII Scout.  Its gun is an anti-tank TD gun - it was meant to provide anti-tank capability to recon units - and everything else doesn't meet Scout standards except its arbitrarily assigned View Range.

 

Actually, it plays more like TD too. It's just too slow and powerless to fulfill scout role in the game.

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View PostSMR, on 16 July 2015 - 05:00 PM, said:

And why would you be sniping in a light tank at such extreme ranges? Adapt your playstyle to the tank.

 

Perhaps because it's slow and all maps are corridor fests which allow no maneuvering?

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View PostCobra6, on 15 July 2015 - 11:35 AM, said:

This tank needs the following buffs to be competitive.

Namely:

-Aimtime for autoloader to 2.2s or even 2.0s if you can't mount a VertStab. (Having aimtime difference between autoloader and regular gun in general is dumb)

-In clip reload to 2s like all other autoloaders on that tier (it has lower clip potential in general than the competition so this will not make it OP).

-Reload of the full clip down to 16s instead of 20s. (You can do a maximum of ~750 damage per clip and it's DPM is already pretty low at ~1800)

 

Potentially also increase the overall acceleration as this tank is very light with a good engine but it accelerates like a medium for no reason.

 

Cobra 6

 

Aimtime buff? wont happen. AMX 13 75:

2.3 seconds and also cannot use verstab. compared to 2.4 seconds SPIC has.

 

In clip reload 2 seconds? nope. AMX 13 75.

2 seconds between shells/ 6 shells/ 135hp a shell/ 810 total damage

3 seconds between shells/ 3 shells/ 250hp a shell/ 720 total.

 

takes 10 seconds to unload a 13 75 clip. it takes 6 seconds to unload SPIC clip. you unload faster and deal much higher spike damage in smaller time frame meaning you have a higher chance of survival in SPIC due to less exposure time, this helps allot.

 

DPM buff? nope:

AMX 13 75 is 1368.9 DPM

SPIC has 1780.8 DPM

 

Also lets talk about penetration shall we? 180mm for a tier 7 LT? thats way too much, AMX 13 75 has a piss poor 145pen.

 

This tank does not deserve a buff. if anything it should be nerfed based off these tanks gun comparisons.

 

Edit: acceleration of french lights as a whole is just as bad. if not worse.

 

Edit: whoever negrepped me. GG coward nice explanation as to why you negrepped my informative and well written debate. you scum.

 


Edited by Fluffy_The_Destroyer, 21 July 2015 - 12:42 AM.


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View PostFluffy_The_Destroyer, on 20 July 2015 - 11:05 PM, said:

 

Aimtime buff? wont happen. AMX 13 75:

2.3 seconds and also cannot use verstab. compared to 2.4 seconds SPIC has.

 

In clip reload 2 seconds? nope. AMX 13 75.

2 seconds between shells/ 6 shells/ 135hp a shell/ 810 total damage

3 seconds between shells/ 3 shells/ 250hp a shell/ 720 total.

 

takes 10 seconds to unload a 13 75 clip. it takes 6 seconds to unload SPIC clip. you unload faster and deal much higher spike damage in smaller time frame meaning you have a higher chance of survival in SPIC due to less exposure time, this helps allot.

 

DPM buff? nope:

AMX 13 75 is 1368.9 DPM

SPIC has 1780.8 DPM

 

Also lets talk about penetration shall we? 180mm for a tier 7 LT? thats way too much, AMX 13 75 has a piss poor 145pen.

 

This tank does not deserve a buff. if anything it should be nerfed based off these tanks gun comparisons.

 

Edit: acceleration of french lights as a whole is just as bad. if not worse.

 

Edit: whoever negrepped me. GG coward nice explanation as to why you negrepped my informative and well written debate. you scum.

 

 

Your dpm numbers are wrong

You picked the worst t7 to compare tanks, why not Bulldog?

You ignore the slow shells and the accuracy on the move

You ignore ground resistance

You ignore Premamo

 

But it's to early to judge about the SP1C, lets wait till the unicums gets bored.

 

PS:

the negrep is not from me.

 

Edit:

For your info:

http://tank-compare....I431I47I640I115

 

 


Edited by Longtomsilver, 21 July 2015 - 08:41 AM.


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View PostLongtomsilver, on 21 July 2015 - 08:32 AM, said:

 

Your dpm numbers are wrong

You picked the worst t7 to compare tanks, why not Bulldog?

You ignore the slow shells and the accuracy on the move

You ignore ground resistance

You ignore Premamo

 

But it's to early to judge about the SP1C, lets wait till the unicums gets bored.

 

PS:

the negrep is not from me.

 

Edit:

For your info:

http://tank-compare....I431I47I640I115

 

 

 

Im comparing to what the OP wants buffed. he never mentioned mobility. so i never did ether. why am i in the wrong suddenly? AMX 13 75 is still a tier 7 light tank wether you want to dismiss it or not, we all know it sucks but its still there, in the game, crying in a corner.

 

I dont compare any LT to bulldog because its clearly broken and its not tier 7 by a long shot. its tier 8.5 and WG know this. i played M41 and many other LT's. M41 is disgustingly OP and needs a seriouse nerf to be in line with other tier 7 LT's. heck. T71 could do with a nerf too. its like a mini bulldog.

 

Why in gods name would you need prem ammo with 180 pen? thats amazing even in tier 10 matches if you get rear/side of all tanks in game you will 90% times pen(unless you get unlucky low rolls). 13 75 has 145pen. that cant even pen the rear of a JP E100 in its weakest spot. the back door hatch.

 

Edit: just noticed 13 75 also has only 390 viewrange? SPIC and M41 get 400. wow. balance.

 

 


Edited by Fluffy_The_Destroyer, 21 July 2015 - 05:53 PM.


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View PostLongtomsilver, on 21 July 2015 - 07:32 AM, said:

 

Your dpm numbers are wrong

You picked the worst t7 to compare tanks, why not Bulldog?

You ignore the slow shells and the accuracy on the move

You ignore ground resistance

You ignore Premamo

 

But it's to early to judge about the SP1C, lets wait till the unicums gets bored.

 

PS:

the negrep is not from me.

 

Edit:

For your info:

http://tank-compare....I431I47I640I115

 

 

 

The Bulldog has the worst DPM of any Tier VII Light.  Its saving grace is that big clip.



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View PostFluffy_The_Destroyer, on 20 July 2015 - 10:05 PM, said:

 

Aimtime buff? wont happen. AMX 13 75:

2.3 seconds and also cannot use verstab. compared to 2.4 seconds SPIC has.

 

In clip reload 2 seconds? nope. AMX 13 75.

2 seconds between shells/ 6 shells/ 135hp a shell/ 810 total damage

3 seconds between shells/ 3 shells/ 250hp a shell/ 720 total.

 

takes 10 seconds to unload a 13 75 clip. it takes 6 seconds to unload SPIC clip. you unload faster and deal much higher spike damage in smaller time frame meaning you have a higher chance of survival in SPIC due to less exposure time, this helps allot.

 

DPM buff? nope:

AMX 13 75 is 1368.9 DPM

SPIC has 1780.8 DPM

 

Also lets talk about penetration shall we? 180mm for a tier 7 LT? thats way too much, AMX 13 75 has a piss poor 145pen.

 

This tank does not deserve a buff. if anything it should be nerfed based off these tanks gun comparisons.

 

Edit: acceleration of french lights as a whole is just as bad. if not worse.

 

Edit: whoever negrepped me. GG coward nice explanation as to why you negrepped my informative and well written debate. you scum.

 

 

Its gun is fine.  It need nothing changed with its gun.  Don't use the auto-loader - it is the worst choice of the 3.   What it needs is higher top speed. Give it 65 or 70 km/h and it will totally rock.



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View PostTazilon, on 21 July 2015 - 06:37 PM, said:

 

Its gun is fine.  It need nothing changed with its gun.  Don't use the auto-loader - it is the worst choice of the 3.   What it needs is higher top speed. Give it 65 or 70 km/h and it will totally rock.

 

AMX 13 75 has limit of 61km/h. SPIC is only slightly behind at 58km/h compared to bulldogs 72.4km/h.

 

That is balanced by the fact SPIC PTW ratio is slightly higher than AMX 13 75 so it will accelerate faster.


Edited by Fluffy_The_Destroyer, 21 July 2015 - 07:08 PM.


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View PostFluffy_The_Destroyer, on 21 July 2015 - 06:08 PM, said:

 

AMX 13 75 has limit of 61km/h. SPIC is only slightly behind at 58km/h compared to bulldogs 72.4km/h.

 

That is balanced by the fact SPIC PTW ratio is slightly higher than AMX 13 75 so it will accelerate faster.

 

Its terrain resistance is worse however.  The mere fact you are comparing it to the 13 75 says it all.  The 13 75 is at the bottom of the Tier VII barrel.

 

The issue isn't acceleration.  That could obviously improve but the real issue is lack of top speed.  It can't go fast.  It is exactly what it was designed to be: a light TD, not a Scout.  Wargaming blesses it with good View Range because they can pretty much make up any number they want for that.  58 km/h sucks for a Tier VII Scout and we all know that.


Edited by Tazilon, 21 July 2015 - 10:19 PM.


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In comparison to Bulldog or LTTB the SP1C seems quite inferior in agility, speed & acceleration   Pretty much in every key way for a light tank.  Just for good measure, anything can penetrate it with HE.  I'd be very interested to see someone who can out play another tier 7 light in it, Of all the tier 7 light tanks, I'd say its comfortably the least capable.

Edited by King_Khazi, 21 July 2015 - 11:11 PM.


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View PostKing_Khazi, on 21 July 2015 - 10:04 PM, said:

In comparison to Bulldog or LTTB the SP1C seems quite inferior in agility, speed & acceleration   Pretty much in every key way for a light tank.  Just for good measure, anything can penetrate it with HE.  I'd be very interested to see someone who can out play another tier 7 light in it, Of all the tier 7 light tanks, I'd say its comfortably the least capable.

 

 

 Lack of agility can be compensated for in play style, witness the Pz38nA.   Lack of top speed is impossible to make up.  

 

The entire tank is an enigma.  It has extremely good spotting potential but lacks the speed to beat opposing scouts to vision control spots.  It has a very good gun but lacks the mobility required to employ it in anything other than a TD-like manner.  It is a lightweight light but somehow suffers more negative effects of drag and friction than do it peers.

 

Yet, somehow, the scores required to get ace missions are still insanely high.   On NA server,  you can get 1,333 basic XP (2,000 premium) and not earn an Ace.


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