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CCCP_ru #1 Posted 06 August 2015 - 04:42 PM

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LAST VIDEO of Michael Wittmann grave
In the military cemetery of La Cambe the grave stone of "Michael Wittmann" was stolen.
On the German war cemetery "La Cambe" in Normandy (near F-Bayeux) rest more than 21,000 German soldiers who died in WW2. The popular tank commander "Michael Wittmann" was initially interred with his team at a point not marked. The remains were transferred in 1983 to the War Cemetery La Cambe.

talkinjibberish #2 Posted 06 August 2015 - 06:36 PM

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Alichino #3 Posted 06 August 2015 - 06:49 PM

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Too bad it was stolen, and not pissed on :(

 

There are no heroes amongst the aggressors. End of.



2Tee2 #4 Posted 06 August 2015 - 06:58 PM

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View PostAlichino, on 06 August 2015 - 07:49 PM, said:

Too bad it was stolen, and not pissed on :(

 

There are no heroes amongst the aggressors. End of.

 

and lets not forget both the Russians and the Germans were the aggressors in that war

Chevayo #5 Posted 06 August 2015 - 07:02 PM

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View PostAlichino, on 06 August 2015 - 06:49 PM, said:

Too bad it was stolen, and not pissed on :(

 

There are no heroes amongst the aggressors. End of.

 

Decent people should respect the dead nevertheless, rather than desecrating graves.

Kinda wonder, why it has to pop up in the game forums tho, especially as it's 2 weeks old news.



Jaak_Taiger #6 Posted 06 August 2015 - 07:02 PM

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View PostAlichino, on 06 August 2015 - 07:49 PM, said:

Too bad it was stolen, and not pissed on :(

 

There are no heroes amongst the aggressors. End of.

 

The soldiers didn't start the war, their leaders did

VendettADutch #7 Posted 06 August 2015 - 07:02 PM

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A soldier follows conmands.

 

And t hey are still humans with a mom and dad, kids or wife..some are very young.

 

I am not saying They do not have a choice, but being in 4 different wars, and fighting for my own life and that of my buddies, the only choice at that moment is them or you.

 

I do not like brainless comments as some of the above.

 

Considered a lot of soldiers were Forced to fight a war They did not want or believed in


Edited by VendettADutch, 06 August 2015 - 07:13 PM.


Rigel222 #8 Posted 06 August 2015 - 07:27 PM

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View PostAlichino, on 06 August 2015 - 06:49 PM, said:

Too bad it was stolen, and not pissed on :(

 

There are no heroes amongst the aggressors. End of.

Please shut up and stop embarrassing the human race.

Almost every country in the world has been an aggressor (and btw, it was France and the UK who declared war on Germany, does that count as them being aggressors in WW2 too?). The dead should be respected, more so those that died defending their country while never committing any war crimes.



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View PostAlichino, on 06 August 2015 - 05:49 PM, said:

Too bad it was stolen, and not pissed on :(

 

There are no heroes amongst the aggressors. End of.

 

You sir are a [Edit]....

 

One of my personal heroes of WWII is a German Pilot called Hanz Stigler..... and if you read a "Higher Call" you would understand why.... There are over a hundred American extended family members due to his action.

 

The funny thing is I would defend till death your right to say such bollocks, and it just shows you have zero honour or integrity.  


Edited by LordFlange, 07 August 2015 - 10:50 AM.
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SilentFear #10 Posted 06 August 2015 - 08:15 PM

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View PostAlichino, on 06 August 2015 - 05:49 PM, said:

Too bad it was stolen, and not pissed on :(

 

There are no heroes amongst the aggressors. End of.

 

Ahhh so sad you are not there as well - one less monkey on the face of the planet.

Procrastes #11 Posted 06 August 2015 - 08:49 PM

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Desecrating a grave is just an absolutely shitty thing to do.

And this has really less to do with whatever person lies in that grave - since he or she will probably never know about it - than with the fact that it hurts those who are left behind. Any relatives of Michael Wittman who might now be living, were almost certainly not among the aggressors in world war two. But it would not justify a desecration, even if they were.



VeryRisky #12 Posted 06 August 2015 - 09:11 PM

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View PostRigel222, on 06 August 2015 - 06:27 PM, said:

.......more so those that died defending their country while never committing any war crimes.

Well that wouldn't be the SS then, would it?

 

Regardless, I cannot ever approve of descrating any grave whatsoever.



TankMilitia #13 Posted 07 August 2015 - 08:37 AM

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View PostRigel222, on 06 August 2015 - 07:27 PM, said:

... those that died defending their country while never committing any war crimes.

 

I'm a little confused here, was Michael Witmann a frenchmen? ' cause he died in France, and the country he defended was France.

Otherwise he was on foreign land, fighting for a criminal regime. No question on that. Period.

 

Take Finland: they defended themselves, didn't cross borders, Simo Hayha is the hero, he killed, that's war, but he killed to fight the aggression.

 


Edited by TankMilitia, 07 August 2015 - 08:44 AM.


Benaulim #14 Posted 07 August 2015 - 09:03 AM

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The womb he crawled from is still going strong.

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View PostTankMilitia, on 07 August 2015 - 07:37 AM, said:

 

I'm a little confused here, was Michael Witmann a frenchmen? ' cause he died in France, and the country he defended was France.

Otherwise he was on foreign land, fighting for a criminal regime. No question on that. Period.

 

Take Finland: they defended themselves, didn't cross borders, Simo Hayha is the hero, he killed, that's war, but he killed to fight the aggression.

 

 

Good point. 

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View PostVeryRisky, on 06 August 2015 - 08:11 PM, said:

Well that wouldn't be the SS then, would it?

 

Regardless, I cannot ever approve of descrating any grave whatsoever.

 

Agreed, I find what can best be described as hero worship of Wittmann really rather strange considering he was fighting for one of the most brutal regimes of the last century.

TheJumpMaster #17 Posted 07 August 2015 - 09:24 AM

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Michael Wittman was a brave soldier that was a an example to his crew. His bravery cannot be over looked nor can his skill as a warrior. His grave should not have been desecrated.

 

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Too bad it was stolen, and not pissed on :(

There are no heroes amongst the aggressors. End of.

 

Then ALL the SOVIET STATES (not just Russians, this would include Baltic states, Georgia, Belorussia, and a few states that I have missed ) are in the same boat according to you - aggressors and should have their memories and graves desecrated. This kind of attitude led to W.W.II and all the hatred in the world today. There were heroes and villains on both sides. Unless there is proof that Michael Wittman committed atrocities, he will be admired by me - as a GREAT TANK COMMANDER.

 

This war was over 70 years ago. Let us remember the fallen, the tragedies, and most of all what led to that conflict and not have a W.W. III.  I myself have seen enough war and participated in enough of them to be tired of it and despise it. Most of all, I DON'T want my son to have to fight in one.

 

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I am not ignorant to the atrocities nor all the suffering that the Nazi Regime AND it's allies inflicted on this world  (I am the son of Holocaust Survivors). I try and look at individuals and their actions and not to generalize.

 


Edited by TheJumpMaster, 07 August 2015 - 09:29 AM.


T0byJug #18 Posted 07 August 2015 - 09:25 AM

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View PostTankMilitia, on 07 August 2015 - 08:37 AM, said:

 

I'm a little confused here, was Michael Witmann a frenchmen? ' cause he died in France, and the country he defended was France.

Otherwise he was on foreign land, fighting for a criminal regime. No question on that. Period.

 

Take Finland: they defended themselves, didn't cross borders, Simo Hayha is the hero, he killed, that's war, but he killed to fight the aggression.

 

Stop it TankMilitia!!! I have never had cause to give you a +1 before....  As i cant think of a single thread/comment i have agreed with you. But on this you are Spot on! so +1

 on topic!!! SS tank devitions were the elite units for the German army it was quite natural for them to get the best solders!

 

I am not going to get involved in a discussion  about  if Wittmen was a true Nazi or not. But One thing i can say desecration of any Grave is wrong, nny grave full stop.


Edited by T0byJug, 07 August 2015 - 09:26 AM.


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View Post2Tee2, on 06 August 2015 - 06:58 PM, said:

 

and lets not forget both the Russians and the Germans were the aggressors in that war

 

If staying alive would require the same amount of brain work as your comments about history, you would have been dead for along time.

Ceeb #20 Posted 07 August 2015 - 09:50 AM

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When you see Soldiers/Sailors and Airmen that fought each other meet after decades....you don't see people that hate each other, in all but name they are brothers and it shows as one emotional meeting.

 

I can guarantee that no Serviceman desecrated that grave. End of.

 

There is an exception and that's the way old British soldiers POWs speak about the Japanese, there is a hatred that is so deep that it cant be fixed.






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