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OMGdontShootMeNow #41 Posted 13 March 2016 - 09:09 PM

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When I'm playing Toldi I feel dispersion is not 0.43 but 0.80 and aiming time is not 2.1 but 3.0. Strange.

Pandabird #42 Posted 15 March 2016 - 03:54 PM

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Why is this tank such a giant piece of sh*t?

 

It's blind, it doesn't hit, it doesn't reload, it doesn't have any armor, no pref mm.

 

All other gift tanks have a hidden strength but i fail to see the point of this junk tank



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An interesting fact: If the Toldi's fire rate would be 20/min (a 33% buff from the current one), it would still have the worst DPM of TIER III vehicles.

 

So really, why is the fire rate so low that i can not outduel even a tier 2 tank?



lemthepimpmeard #44 Posted 22 March 2016 - 12:05 PM

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View PostPandabird, on 15 March 2016 - 02:54 PM, said:

Why is this tank such a giant piece of sh*t?

 

It's blind, it doesn't hit, it doesn't reload, it doesn't have any armor, no pref mm.

 

All other gift tanks have a hidden strength but i fail to see the point of this junk tank

 

A free hangar slot?

I've kept mine but it really is terrible.



MR_FIAT #45 Posted 22 March 2016 - 12:27 PM

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only keeping it in the hopes of a buff eventualy, i think WG should fire whoever is in charge in balancing tanks these days. russians get the OP stuff (T-28E F30, 22 sr), while everyone esle gets realy bad trash and only get buffed when the complaints are severe enough. (toldi, sentinel AC1, FV 4202 p fiasco,  atleast thats ok now) 

Edited by MR_FIAT, 22 March 2016 - 12:29 PM.


Angelus1991ster #46 Posted 24 March 2016 - 11:28 AM

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15,64 shot/min VERY BAD! At the moment, this tank is not enjoyable.

Wg can't buffed the 43M. Toldi III to the normal level?

 

Why? First hungarian tank in World of Tanks, and very bad in tier 3.

Please answer.

Because this tank is no russian, but also hungarian-"germanian" tank?

Or just because this tank gift type's tank.


 

Beacuse I would spend the 15-20 Euro for the Toldi's buff ( 26,09-28,57 shot/min ) !!!


 


Edited by Angelus1991ster, 24 March 2016 - 11:39 AM.


PowJay #47 Posted 07 May 2016 - 12:35 PM

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I have just quickly read through the thread to see how many are in agreement with me. Most it seems. I was gifted this tank. Thanks to the newbie protection I have already placed my much-loved T1 Cunningham and free Premium tier II tanks in reserve.

 

Playing tier III is a chore, but the tier IIIs that I have kept by choice are able to carry to a degree- even in tier V games. The Toldi, however, is a PoS, but that is not all.

 

This morning, I have decided- after daily x5- to play all of my tanks from tier III upwards. What has finally killed it for me is map rotation. I HATE HIMMELSDORF. To keep one more (lousy) tank that gets this map half the time is just too much.

 

It's gone.


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MR_FIAT #48 Posted 12 May 2016 - 11:28 AM

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even after acing it i have kept it in hopes of a potential buff, but it isnt russian so its unlikely atleast it eventualy becomes a rare pepe so i can feel speshul driving it. 

crnakoza #49 Posted 24 May 2016 - 03:15 AM

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Today I had a bright idea to use it to grind my future SP1C crew. And, I knew that this tank was bad, but I had no idea it was _that_ bad. This tank has no strengths at all, only weaknesses.

 

It is blind. Gun is inaccurate. It's aim time is not good. Damage per shot is anemic. Reload time is glacial for such a gun. The armor might as well be complete paper since it barely stops Pz I C. Mobility is nothing to write home about. And so many times mentioned "good penetration" is actually not that special TBH both with AP and APCR, it is not that good to be worth mentioning.

 

At best some of it's "qualities" are completely mediocre, and at worst they are significant weaknesses.

 

Panzer II D, the tank that is generally regarded as very weak and horrible has one distinct advantage, It is fast, at least a lot faster than its regular counterpart. What does Toldi have? Ugly looks? It is so hilariously bad that DW 2 feels like a damn good tank in comparison. I am really puzzled by what was WG thinking when they designed this tank.

 

At any rate, I will try to continue this masochism, who knows, maybe I discover something about Toldi that would make someone want to take it out for a spin.



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View PostMR_FIAT, on 12 May 2016 - 10:28 AM, said:

even after acing it i have kept it in hopes of a potential buff, but it isnt russian so its unlikely atleast it eventualy becomes a rare pepe so i can feel speshul driving it. 

 

And speshul you shall feel:

http://wotreplays.co...e/2857018#stats

 

Nobody really pays any attention to it any more until it's too late, which is perfect for cheesing a very easy Ace reward.

 

(Even with 100% crew + vents it's blind and reloads as if the loader/gunner only has one arm.)



Angelus1991ster #51 Posted 07 August 2016 - 05:56 PM

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Toldi very need the buff!

 

Toldi 40 mm's gun reload time : 3,84 sec (ventillator,100% crew) max. 760 dpm

Cruiser I (t3 british light) stock! QF 2-pdr Mk IX's (same 40 mm) gun reload time 2,1 sec (100% cre , without ventillator) stock dpm 1280


 

This fair? Answer: No.

Next step?



StuffKnight #52 Posted 07 August 2016 - 06:56 PM

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It needs a huge buff to RoF. The viewrange is sad for a LT, yes, but it eventually becomes workable -- not great, or even good, but workable -- with a 100% + Vents crew (considering it's not a scout and isn't immediately pressured to go lighting up targets thankfully), and the general mobility is fine. It's just that pathetic RoF/DPM combo which makes the Toldi III so unreasonably difficult to get working in an actual fight.



Angelus1991ster #53 Posted 07 August 2016 - 07:21 PM

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The question: Wg why cant buff the poor Toldi?

The fact, is the Toldi is unbalanced light tank. I know that this is tank is gift, but the Wg why give the unbalanced premium tank for everyone?

Illogical step.

Give the balanced gift tank without +50% credit boost. Just +50% xp and +50% crew xp, as the IM reward tanks ( Stug IV, T28 HTC etc.)

I am hungarian player. This unbalanced stats Toldi , this affront for me. Please buff to normal level.


Edited by Angelus1991ster, 07 August 2016 - 07:24 PM.


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imo it needs atleast 300m viewrange and at the very least 20 rounds per minute, it would still be underwhelming but it would atleast be workable. 

Angelus1991ster #55 Posted 09 August 2016 - 09:45 PM

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Good, good. 20 rounds/min is better than 15,64 rounds/min.

But see the other gift tank, the LTP.

I see the LTP's DPM more than 1200. and LTP has tier limit.

Toldi why hasn't tier limit? Toldi isn't scouter tank, then be scouter, if the Toldi can 60-65 km/h, as Pz IC, Pz III E etc.

The Toldi just can 45 km/h.


 

The last answer is, that the Toldi is german(hungarian) and the LTP is russaian. The russians tanks must be better than other AXIS tanks.

There is no other explanation.

I am very disappointed.... Toldi it would be good...



Lycopersicon #56 Posted 30 November 2016 - 06:52 PM

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Apparantly, Toldi* is epically bad. Not because I have endless wisdom or experience, but see, in my seven games so far, I have had two decent ones. Nothing special, just managed to connect a few shots, killed an enemy, you know, wasn't completely useless - would be an average game in most other tanks. Both gave me ace tankers.

 

Dear Santa, please give the poor thing some view range. I'm not asking for much, just make it not completely blind. 300 metres base, alright? I promise I won't even pester you about the RoF.

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* Not the lovely German shepherd Toldi I had when I was young. She was a badass.


Edited by Lycopersicon, 30 November 2016 - 06:56 PM.


Angelus1991ster #57 Posted 30 November 2016 - 08:07 PM

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View range is not very bad. Stock view range (270m)+ BiA+Ventillation+Coated Optics= 309,73 m. It's "enough".


 

By contrast, the RoF/dpm is very-very bad.

I see the enemy, and I want kill him. Due to the slow charging time. I can't kill the enemy, because the teammte stole the frag or fast-firing enemy kill me.

This tank is unbalanced and not fair gaming with this Toldi.



Lycopersicon #58 Posted 01 December 2016 - 07:26 AM

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Naah, 270 m is below tier 1 level (all tier 1 tanks but one have better view range!) and that in a tank that goes to tier 5 games where it has nothing better to do than to play the role of a scout - yet it gets outspotted by a KV-1.

Edited by Lycopersicon, 02 December 2016 - 01:46 PM.


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just to add insult to injury the upcoming tier 2 swedish presumed gift tank which the toldi is based on (or the other way aroubd cant remember) has better viewrange.... 

Angelus1991ster #60 Posted 04 December 2016 - 03:43 PM

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Need more comment? The numbers not lying.:(


Edited by Angelus1991ster, 04 December 2016 - 03:46 PM.






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