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FilipMinee #21 Posted 17 August 2011 - 08:22 PM

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T54 in beta was overpowered it got nerfed or fixed whatever you prefer to call it.
In my view T54 atm is balanced. E50 is balanced as well and very good tank. T54 is not meant to fight it head on.

Also one page and already spamed with noobisms ( m7 is shit wtf ? rofl its epic tank ).

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View PostStormscion, on 17 August 2011 - 08:22 PM, said:

T54 in beta was overpowered it got nerfed or fixed whatever you prefer to call it.

Yep, in beta T-54 was overpowered and of course because of that very fun tank to play. That's why I wanted it back as fast as possible when WoT went live. Got it in 2 weeks or something and it sucked compared to the one I just few weeks ago drove in beta. Worst T9 medium at the moment, but still best scout.

But these threads always fail so bad because they attract players who never has played T-54 and it seems mostly they don't even play against T-54's. They have just read and heard (and maybe experienced it back then) about Beta-T-54

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View PostGalm1, on 17 August 2011 - 08:06 PM, said:

blah blah blah
I'm p sure it's around 240mm. More than T-54. Point proven.

blah blah blah


i like how you try to tell us how armor is calculated how trigonometric functions work etc, while YOU dont know shit about them, or you are so ignorant you just refuse facts or whatever

both e50 and t54 have the same armor on front, 120/60 which is 240, t54 has WAY better turret
also

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(stuff like... can't penetrate the E-50's front without aiming at the lower plate while he gets through my hull like cheese... you know...)
and again if you had a clue about trigonometric functions you would know that your t54 is lower profile, so shooting the huge e50 in upper plate just adds more angle to it making it more than 240 armor, while e50 has the opposite effect, as e50 is higher, shooting the small t54 reduces the angle of frontal plate

dear t54 drivers, please get a clue and a common sense, then come back and apologize for your retardation
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View PostS1av, on 17 August 2011 - 08:20 PM, said:

Aaaahhh.... so that's where devs take feedback form the users.

I think you've got those stats completely and exactly in reverse, except sniping.

I guessed first that was sarcasm, but than i realized the poster was serious.. and also saw his profile... playing only USSR three and speak about other trees.

News flush! You've been playing in easy mode so far. Play German tank tree and then complain about USSR.

I played german tree in beta, had 2000 battles only with germans. Would be boring to do the same tree again. Germans are easy mode on   ;)

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View PostStormscion, on 17 August 2011 - 08:22 PM, said:

T54 in beta was overpowered it got nerfed or fixed whatever you prefer to call it.
In my view T54 atm is balanced. E50 is balanced as well and very good tank. T54 is not meant to fight it head on.

Also one page and already spamed with noobisms ( m7 is shit wtf ? rofl its epic tank ).

of course in your view t54 now is balanced you 850+ battle e-50 mother *****  :Smile-izmena:

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View PostVendelin, on 17 August 2011 - 08:44 PM, said:

i like how you try to tell us how armor is calculated how trigonometric functions work etc, while YOU dont know shit about them, or you are so ignorant you just refuse facts or whatever
I like how you try to tell me I'm ignorant.
LoS Armor = Armor thickness / cos(angleoftheslope)
Now get lost.

View PostVendelin, on 17 August 2011 - 08:44 PM, said:

both e50 and t54 have the same armor on front, 120/60 which is 240, t54 has WAY better turret
Please refer to this for your SUPPOSEDLY better turret

http://forum.worldof...post__p__754997

You obviously have no clue about T-54's -non existant- OPness.

View PostVendelin, on 17 August 2011 - 08:44 PM, said:

and again if you had a clue about trigonometric functions you would know that your t54 is lower profile, so shooting the huge e50 in upper plate just adds more angle to it making it more than 240 armor, while e50 has the opposite effect, as e50 is higher, shooting the small t54 reduces the angle of frontal plate
I also like this, kinda proves my point that "german only players" aren't satisified with having an higher profile neutralizing the effect of the slope armor and want better stuff.
Again, get lost.
Edit: I don't care if you play other branches or trees aswell, I couldn't care less tbh.

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hahahahah you crybabies are so fun

every t54/is4/is7 whine thread makes me sooo happy :lol:

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View PostVendelin, on 17 August 2011 - 09:00 PM, said:

hahahahah you crybabies are so fun

every t54/is4/is7 whine thread makes me sooo happy :lol:
Every T-54/IS-4/IS-7 OP thread made by -other tree- fanboys make me lol aswell.
PS: you better read the bottom line of my 1st post. E-Series increased my T-54's survivability, how could I be complaining of that?

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View PostGalm1, on 17 August 2011 - 09:02 PM, said:


PS: you better read the bottom line of my 1st post. E-Series increased my T-54's survivability, how could I be complaining of that?
see? i never said you were complaining, i just proved that you dont know shit about what you write in here
so now you are making things up

how unexpected of someone driving t54  :lol:

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t-54 is preatty balanced now, if you use your armor right you will bounce tons of shots, and the tank inself is a perfect brawler.
Like also the E-50, finally another good tier 9 medium to fight.
The only thing I complain about t-54 is the W/L ratio but you know it can't be all perfect :Smile_harp:

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View PostJ4CK4L, on 17 August 2011 - 09:18 PM, said:

The only thing I complain about t-54 is the W/L ratio but you know it can't be all perfect :Smile_harp:

What?

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View PostBody_Count, on 17 August 2011 - 08:44 PM, said:

... Germans are easy mode on   ;)



roflmao

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View PostBody_Count, on 17 August 2011 - 08:47 PM, said:

of course in your view t54 now is balanced you 850+ battle e-50 mother *****  :Smile-izmena:

cu in game ... ramming your t54s /trollface

;) on more serious note it is balanced. IF they buff t54 they will have to buff patton and e50. I have no problems with that. Also you talk with dude that had more games on T54 in beta then you have atm. Also had pershing in beta and panther II. Get e50 then we can talk on equal lvl.

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Well, body_count took it a bit far...but i find it kinda hillarious how someone (vendelin, stormscion...) now know everything there is about T-54. Neither of you drove one after release. Its very different tank - yet you still feel like experts. I dont troll german vehicles forums -1ing posts that colide with my ideas. Seeing something fight and fighting in it is kinda not the same :)
Neither of you have ANY first hand experience with tank you are talking about in its current state. So maybe post with a bit more humbleness?

And frankly, T54 suffers from 3 things. The stigma trolls like those two put on it that forces everyone to focus it down the instant they see it, terrible acc on move, which kills it in its "role". And ofc the non-existant teamplay and heavy domination of high-tiered pubs.

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View Postmamlas, on 17 August 2011 - 10:18 PM, said:

Well, body_count took it a bit far...but i find it kinda hillarious how someone (vendelin, stormscion...) now know everything there is about T-54. Neither of you drove one after release. Its very different tank - yet you still feel like experts. I dont troll german vehicles forums -1ing posts that colide with my ideas. Seeing something fight and fighting in it is kinda not the same :)
Neither of you have ANY first hand experience with tank you are talking about in its current state. So maybe post with a bit more humbleness?

And frankly, T54 suffers from 3 things. The stigma trolls like those two put on it that forces everyone to focus it down the instant they see it, terrible acc on move, which kills it in its "role". And ofc the non-existant teamplay and heavy domination of high-tiered pubs.
Do you think the accuracy on the move is any better for the Patton? Because it's not. It used to be but the devs nerfed it away a few patches ago.

The T-54 is still fine, it's a very forgiving medium tank with frontal armour + gun (yes the KT and T32 also do 320/shot) as good as a tier 8 heavy tank, quite unlike the beta T-44 where one small mistake equalled the end of being useful for the rest of the fight. You're not meant to snipe, and if that's what you want to do I would recommend a nice quick TD such as the T25 AT.. mediums are built to brawl in the heat of the fight. The maneuverability on the T-54 is unsurpassed as well. Once you get used to a medium tank's playstyle which includes doing everything in your power to dodge shells and using the terrain as best as you can, try out a Patton.. it won't be anywhere near as sturdy or agile as your T-54, but in trade for that you get a great gun with some awesome depression which'll allow you to further hone your driving skills.

My experience with mediums: T-54 in beta for ~300 games and ~500 games in T-44 before the T-54 was even ingame. I drove it through the highs and the lows (warping fixed, T-44 super nerfed because of all the whiners, and before the frontal armour buff that came along with the introduction of T9 mediums - even a T4 T-28 would penetrate you every shot). Later in the beta I drove Panther II for ~200-300 games. After the release I got myself a Patton, drove a few matches with T-54 at a friend's place with his account, and right now I am saving up to buy my E-50.

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View PostBody_Count, on 17 August 2011 - 06:45 PM, said:

Gigaton: get in tier IX medium or in king tiger first and than talk bollocks (I drove kingtiger in beta)

It's almost as if you assume that I didn't play in beta, dispite the fact that I started some 4 months before you. :blink: Well, I have never had T-54 that I admit but I certainly had a KT.

In any case, if you know the game mechanics (or what we know of them) it doesn't take much to work out that T-54 has slightly weaker glacis than KT (though KT has larger weakspot) and also slightly stronger frontal turret armour than KT.

Ultimately, which has stronger armour depends on which tanks has higher armour multiplier (ie. invisible armour buff). There's a rumor going around that the devs reduced this value for T-54 at some point and didn't document the change in patch notes. And in the end, it's not like KT can really hope to bounce many shots from tier 9 tanks.

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View Postmamlas, on 17 August 2011 - 10:18 PM, said:

Well, body_count took it a bit far...but i find it kinda hillarious how someone (vendelin, stormscion...) now know everything there is about T-54. Neither of you drove one after release. Its very different tank - yet you still feel like experts. I dont troll german vehicles forums -1ing posts that colide with my ideas. Seeing something fight and fighting in it is kinda not the same :)
Neither of you have ANY first hand experience with tank you are talking about in its current state. So maybe post with a bit more humbleness?

And frankly, T54 suffers from 3 things. The stigma trolls like those two put on it that forces everyone to focus it down the instant they see it, terrible acc on move, which kills it in its "role". And ofc the non-existant teamplay and heavy domination of high-tiered pubs.

Nop i didnt drive T54 ( only on friends accounts ) after release , i did not claim i am expert on it i just said IN MY VIEW it is balanced.

And yea i know T54 was nerfed significantly and i was one of very few people back in the release days that did not whine about soviet bias and look into T54 OP , since i knew it was not OP. I think atm actually like most medium tanks requires skill and brains to use to the fullest potential. Its main drawback is its really bad firepower and that is why i didnt like it even in beta when it was OP.
So i will say that T54 is balanced and you will say that it is underpowered atm , but majority of forum will call us idiots and communists and that is what disgusts me most...

Also T54 has same accuracy on the move as E50 if i remember from Russian forums ( panther II had slightly better , Patton is still king there ).

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View PostStormscion, on 17 August 2011 - 09:48 PM, said:

cu in game ... ramming your t54s /trollface

;) on more serious note it is balanced. IF they buff t54 they will have to buff patton and e50. I have no problems with that. Also you talk with dude that had more games on T54 in beta then you have atm. Also had pershing in beta and panther II. Get e50 then we can talk on equal lvl.

why the Removed would they need to buff e50 also? Removed do you want? a tier XI gun? Star trek cloak? (it is a bit high, that would come handy  <_< )

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View PostStormscion, on 17 August 2011 - 11:24 PM, said:

but majority of forum will call us idiots and communists and that is what disgusts me most...
That's the internet for you, m8.

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View PostStormscion, on 17 August 2011 - 11:24 PM, said:

Nop i didnt drive T54 ( only on friends accounts ) after release , i did not claim i am expert on it i just said IN MY VIEW it is balanced.

And yea i know T54 was nerfed significantly and i was one of very few people back in the release days that did not whine about soviet bias and look into T54 OP , since i knew it was not OP. I think atm actually like most medium tanks requires skill and brains to use to the fullest potential. Its main drawback is its really bad firepower and that is why i didnt like it even in beta when it was OP.
So i will say that T54 is balanced and you will say that it is underpowered atm , but majority of forum will call us idiots and communists and that is what disgusts me most...

Also T54 has same accuracy on the move as E50 if i remember from Russian forums ( panther II had slightly better , Patton is still king there ).
Amen to that.

I feel the only reason there was whining over the T-54 was because of the good frontal armour.. all the heavy drivers couldn't just auto-aim every medium to death any more, what a shock that must have been for them. :Smile-hiding:




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