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Body_Count #61 Posted 18 August 2011 - 07:57 PM

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ok nice, now get lost  :Smile-izmena:

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Heh Body_Count I will leave and you should start thinking about topic title for your new troll thread so more people can come and laught at you and give more minuses

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Sadly body_count´s "attitude" makes the matter easy to discard as "morons rant".

But i have to insist, that there is some truth to what he says. Maybe with the arrival of E-50, and the end of the "OP T-54 wtflols" the time has come to look back at the tank and maybe tweak it a little? Circling with tank that misses at 15-40 meters on the move is kinda...I mean, the gun is already weakest and most expensive to run from all the tier 9 meds...does it have to be also the least accurate on the move? (dont drive patton personaly, but imho its a bit better)

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View Postmamlas, on 19 August 2011 - 10:01 PM, said:

Sadly body_count´s "attitude" makes the matter easy to discard as "morons rant".

But i have to insist, that there is some truth to what he says. Maybe with the arrival of E-50, and the end of the "OP T-54 wtflols" the time has come to look back at the tank and maybe tweak it a little? Circling with tank that misses at 15-40 meters on the move is kinda...I mean, the gun is already weakest and most expensive to run from all the tier 9 meds...does it have to be also the least accurate on the move? (dont drive patton personaly, but imho its a bit better)
Accuracy on the move and gun depression are around the only things the Patton has going for it, and WG already nerfed accuracy on the move in the Pershing -> Patton patch.

Germans have always been more accurate in the game. Don't think it would be fair to give the T-54 accuracy, or accuracy on the move, on par with German or USA meds.

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deleting e-50 or clasifing that thing as heavy tank would be better if you ask me. Buff panther II's armor and we're all good.

I mean give me a break. It's an inch lower Tiger II buffed to oblivion (better turret turn rate, better gun, better agility, better top speed, better front armor (probably, better dmg all in all).

It's a complete bullshit. IT can fight as medium, it can fight as heavy; it can get to key points on map first and hold them, it can snipe better then lowe, it can ram, you can't circle it, and it's got more hp than any other medium or is4. Actually if you engage it in is4 it's gona be one expensive fight, which you will win if you're at 100% but you'll be left with so little HP that you're basicly useless for the rest of the battle.

And that is a complete insanity. You can watch TV while you deal with those t-54's or Pattons and think they must be mad to engage is4 alone, but e-50 can simply stand in front of you and do 1:1 like a heavy, penetrating every shot (if he knows to aim) and you may even bounce on his front from 30m. As I remember I have never ever bounced on a t54's or Pattons front in is4 from such range.

And don't even try to give me: oh it can't fight like a heavy cause it sure fucking can!
In one battle I was in t54, flanking them, we had like 8 heavy tanks in city maby more (tier VIII, IX and X), they had 5-6 e-50's that all went to city. We had more heavies facing them head to head and our heavies still lost fight in city.


If no one finds anything wrong with that picture you're all messed up and a question stands: why the fuck would anyone even bother to still play heavy tanks? Let's all just play bloody e50's.

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True that. I find E50 extremly hard to deal with.

XxXSpottedYouXxX #68 Posted 02 September 2011 - 02:59 PM

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LOL -50 now  :lol:

I knew the T54's would come running here when they find out their little wonder tanks are becoming inferior to balence.

mamlas #69 Posted 03 September 2011 - 10:40 AM

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View PostMuffinMan90, on 02 September 2011 - 02:59 PM, said:

I knew the T54's would come running here when they find out their little wonder tanks are becoming inferior to balence.

Hey, german fanboys got E-series just by whining and -/+ ing related topics. They are coordinated at it furiously.
Lately i have even seen guys who have purely german garages to pass judgment in topics about T-54s. They know all, they even know if rack is vulnerable or not.

An i believe that when adversaries of your tank get buffed/replaced - its the time to speak up. Maybe the time when we in fact can kill other meds will come.

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Fact is...
T-54 can kill the other T9 meds, but it's the one who has to pump out the most shells, which are MORE expensive than its US counterpart and does 20% less damage.
I'm fine with the fact that I can't take a E-50 1v1, I'm fine with the fact that a Patton will leave me with 10% HP in a 1v1. What I'm not fine with it's the freaking ammo cost. It has to be decreased. I mean WTF? Patton has more alpha strike, 1mm less penetration and, leaving the gun accuracy aside, it costs 1k a pop vs 1,23k a pop.
Every 5 shells fired by T-54, Patton can buy an extra one. I.e. bring the ammo costs of D-54 down to Patton levels.
Another fact I'm not fine with is... surprise! German players who have never played ruskie tanks complain about module damage. I'd love them to try Type 59 (or any russian medium to begin with) which still has the same issue as T-54:
ONE HIT in the front and it's an almost surely a fire/fuel tank hit because, apparently, your tank doesn't have one or two fuel tanks... It's a whole freaking big fuel tank filled with ammo (less ammo than T-43/T-44 tho).
And the fact that you're going 56 km/h doesn't help you solve the "you're driving a big fuel tank" issue.

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Ohhhh poor T-54 drivers, aren't you in godmode anymore?

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View PostDr_Nooooo, on 03 September 2011 - 02:21 PM, said:

Ohhhh poor T-54 drivers, aren't you in godmode anymore?

Nope, not since launch.
But its the forums, and the german tanks get spoken for plenty. I guess we need to do the same now :)

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I have to say that while i was driving T-54 in relesed version, ofcourse i dodn't have it yet but my friend let me drive it to see how it behave in  combat. Frsti thing i noticed is speed and manuverability. Of course i died in it as i played only once in it but hey, it's fast and manuverble to taht level that you can slip by enemy tanks and hunt arty's, and another thing by advice's of my friend, never stop moving your dead. It helped me and i'm satified with it's performance and now i'm reached t-43 on my acc so i'm going get t-54 no matter what, and i'm sure taht t-54 aint that bad as someone tels. I consider myself mixed player of german/USA tanks but i run russian side only becouse of t-54 and i like how it looks and it's performance in battle. It may be "scout" but it's scout that bites back if shooted apon.

WG did great job balancing T-54 in live or relesaed version. A ssomeone said that we german/USA tankers shuld try Type 59 on test server, i have it and i found it ideal tank for me, ofcourse it has some flaws but it's nice tank for driving and shooting. So i stand on side of T-54 as i know it's great tank if you know how to drive it, especialy if you love speed and death.

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View PostDr_Nooooo, on 03 September 2011 - 02:21 PM, said:

Ohhhh poor T-54 drivers, aren't you in godmode anymore?
they are nto since beta times ... it take long time for people to start realizing :)

anyway t54 is fine

h0rror #75 Posted 04 September 2011 - 11:39 AM

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T-54 is great tank. I drive it only at test server, but I think it's great ;]
I kill 3 tanks every game .. damage few and I want it on the "real" server.
I don't know how it was before, but I like it now ;]
E-50 is fine. Yes he goes with 59 km/h but T-54 acc faster.
Flanking is nice.. I love to do it ;] E-50 will never do it..
T-54 bounce a lot never seen with E-50
If I could I will change the exp from my Panther II for T-54

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View Posth0rror, on 04 September 2011 - 11:39 AM, said:

T-54 bounce a lot never seen with E-50
Are you kidding me? Even tier 9 heavies bounce on e-50's front in sniper mode while most tier 7 heavies just shoot t54 somewhere and penetrate. The front bounces, sometimes. There's only a few spots which will easly bounce less than 200mm pene shots, but that's about it.

I love my t-54, but that doesn't mean i have to ignore e-50's front armor.

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Yes I agree.
I have just recently begun to play a t54.....because i heard so many good things about it.
Ohh man but its so bad today after the nerfs.
It bounces nothing even a scout can damage u, the gun has been nerfed to a löwe gun almost no damage.
I hit a patton in the sides with the t54(tier 9 gun) and it took 4 crits to get him to 10% hp then he was killed of by another player.
Come on I can take 1-2 shots from the side before i go down.

The t-54 may have been a good tank but today its only rubbish, yes if ur lucky u can kill 1-3 arties in close range but thats the only thing u can use
it for because one on one u will get wipped by any tier 8,9 or 10 tank. One match I hit a vk 30xx in the back with 2-3 shots before it went down....come on 2-3 shots in the back 1 shot should have killed it...well it would have killed my t-54 atleast mostly one shot is enough to kill me.

Compared to e-50, t-54 is like a trabant car made of paper.....e50 bounces shots all the time and even e100 tier 10 guns does like 10-20% damage only.

So u guys saying e-50 is not so good.......come on u know its much better thats why u have it yourself.

I think that the devs should be much easier with the nerf bat because they easily over nerf tanks without thinking about the consequences.
As it is today DO NOT GET THE T-54, its a crap tank used for scouting but it will cost u 25-40k to repair each time.

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I always feel apprehensive when going up against T-54 up and close in my E-50. I'll gladly duke it out with another E-50 though. T-54 is better for my clan in CW but the nice chaps lets me use E-50 out of mercy.

T-54 can dominate an area for scouting purpose and suppression. Once the heavies take control you can scoot of and wreak havoc elsewhere. Are you smoking illegal substances Body_Count? I would hands down swap my E-50 for a T-54 but I did not read up on the fora before I chose a techtree.

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View PostJackofall, on 05 September 2011 - 11:36 AM, said:

I always feel apprehensive when going up against T-54 up and close in my E-50. I'll gladly duke it out with another E-50 though. T-54 is better for my clan in CW but the nice chaps lets me use E-50 out of mercy.

T-54 can dominate an area for scouting purpose and suppression. Once the heavies take control you can scoot of and wreak havoc elsewhere. Are you smoking illegal substances Body_Count? I would hands down swap my E-50 for a T-54 but I did not read up on the fora before I chose a techtree.

one open question.
Everybody is whining about some tank is crap or not. Especially against t54 etc.

But did anyone consider that the devs DO HAVE the best picture of the problem/topic? they have milions of battles of data for every tank - avg dmg, win/loss%, hit ratios etc. they can easily compare tank vs tank on EVERY level using tons of statistics of avg player. So when they make a change to some tank - they do that based on this data.

To the point.
The tanks right now are better balanced than they would ever be based on players opinion (100% sure of that). As most of t54 OP screamers - dont own one, are just crying because got killed by one. The t-54 UP screamers own one - and don't see the problem in their game style. Most e-50 OP criers also don't own one - are just whining because got killed by one. etc.

BTW. Check the hall of fame, which tank is the best in w/l ratio. Seems that the guy driving it doesn't have a problem in winning in this "scout".

So - trust the devs.

I don't own t54 yet (one step from it) and the way through all of the tiers shows that there is no problem in OP/UP of russian meds. I don't like t44 (my stats suck) and t34-85, but had/have lots of fun in t-34 (just bought one back, have good w/l ratio in it) and in t-43.

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View Postmamlas, on 19 August 2011 - 10:01 PM, said:

Sadly body_count´s "attitude" makes the matter easy to discard as "morons rant".

But i have to insist, that there is some truth to what he says. Maybe with the arrival of E-50, and the end of the "OP T-54 wtflols" the time has come to look back at the tank and maybe tweak it a little? Circling with tank that misses at 15-40 meters on the move is kinda...I mean, the gun is already weakest and most expensive to run from all the tier 9 meds...does it have to be also the least accurate on the move? (dont drive patton personaly, but imho its a bit better)

Have you bothered to check the shell costs of E50? Do you wanna know the repair costs?
E50 is easily one of the most expensive tanks in the game for that matter.




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