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markthekiller #1 Posted 25 August 2015 - 05:24 PM

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I've played 36 battles so far in my Vk2801, but in half of the battles i've been set on fire. Last battle a Leopard (T5 LT) fired at me and he set me on fire, and with his next clip he set me on fire again...I can't play a few games without being set on fire... Or am I playing it wrong? Fix this tank plz, exept it's troll gun it's useless.

 

[Edited] Guess how I was killed again in the battle I just played?

 

I can post the replay if you want


Edited by markthekiller, 25 August 2015 - 05:34 PM.


Tazilon #2 Posted 27 August 2015 - 12:48 AM

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View Postmarkthekiller, on 25 August 2015 - 04:24 PM, said:

I've played 36 battles so far in my Vk2801, but in half of the battles i've been set on fire. Last battle a Leopard (T5 LT) fired at me and he set me on fire, and with his next clip he set me on fire again...I can't play a few games without being set on fire... Or am I playing it wrong? Fix this tank plz, exept it's troll gun it's useless.

 

[Edited] Guess how I was killed again in the battle I just played?

 

I can post the replay if you want

 

 

The fires are just a string of bad luck.   Fires are not normally a problem.

 

As for saying it is useless; once you learn how to play it, you will change your mind.

 

 



rejkov #3 Posted 02 September 2015 - 11:32 AM

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That vk2801 have no camo, not enough mobility, and crapgun. Since dear stupid wg nerfed the pen of the 105mm HEAT ammo from 150 to 100mm, this tank is a crap. The luchs, and the tier 5 leopard are great tanks, but this vk is the worst tier 6 scout, i think.


Edited by rejkov, 02 September 2015 - 11:33 AM.


leoneazzurro #4 Posted 02 September 2015 - 12:53 PM

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View Postrejkov, on 02 September 2015 - 11:32 AM, said:

That vk2801 have good camo , quite mobile, and trollgun.

Fixed. Camo is better than T37 and not so much lower than the others, even the 59-16 ans 12t have a 3% higher value. Is more mobile than T37 (and MUCH more mobile than 12t) and on par with T21 and type 64. Gun is trollish, you must know how and where to shoot, and if you use to gold spam, stop it because gold ammo is seldom used with this tank (you can use to pen the back of some tanks or some lightly armored mediums, but due to the HEAT disadvantages it's better to stick to HE). AND VK has the best view range among the tier 6 lights. This tank is a powerful scout, and scout and arty hunter. Of course it need to be used being conscious of what it can and cannot do.


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Tazilon #5 Posted 03 September 2015 - 01:05 AM

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View Postrejkov, on 02 September 2015 - 10:32 AM, said:

That vk2801 have no camo, not enough mobility, and crapgun. Since dear stupid wg nerfed the pen of the 105mm HEAT ammo from 150 to 100mm, this tank is a crap. The luchs, and the tier 5 leopard are great tanks, but this vk is the worst tier 6 scout, i think.

 

The sign of someone who doesn't understand the tank...

8fly8 #6 Posted 03 September 2015 - 05:16 AM

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Also, regarding the guns, you can actually work with the 75 mm gun since it reloads really fast. Under 3 second reload time (gets better with different equipment and skills of your crew) allows you to deal quite a lot of damage, that's faster than 12t with auto-loader, only that you don't have that long reload time between clips, just keep spamming. Moreover, 75mm gold ammo has decent pen.

I still have my VK 28 and occasionally take it out for shits and giggles, I use both guns, the 10,5 cm and 75 mm ...

 

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Lancasthor #7 Posted 03 September 2015 - 10:24 AM

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Took my Aufkl. crew back to 28.01 for few rounds and noticed that not much has changed.

 

2801 still works nicely as a scout, but frustrating randomly as a brawler. (excluding scout-bullying, in what 2801 excels)

If you want to level from good player to great player, you need to master proper usage of HEAT rounds. And that part has become more difficult since pen nerf.



Tazilon #8 Posted 03 September 2015 - 11:41 PM

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View Post8fly8, on 03 September 2015 - 04:16 AM, said:

Also, regarding the guns, you can actually work with the 75 mm gun since it reloads really fast. Under 3 second reload time (gets better with different equipment and skills of your crew) allows you to deal quite a lot of damage, that's faster than 12t with auto-loader, only that you don't have that long reload time between clips, just keep spamming. Moreover, 75mm gold ammo has decent pen.

I still have my VK 28 and occasionally take it out for shits and giggles, I use both guns, the 10,5 cm and 75 mm ...

 

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Do yourself a great favor and totally ditch the 7.5.  You waste too much of your tank's versatility using it.



Akathis #9 Posted 06 November 2015 - 09:20 AM

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The tank is useless in EU server. Maybe in NA server, with even more noobs per match.

 

Why so useless? It aims slooow. Huge dispersion. Not enough gun depression (the tank is too big).Troll accuracy (way worse than that of pz4h derp). Did i say it is too big? and it aswell has a too soft armor... that is => point and shoot for every single enemy.

Consecuences? No snapshoots. No shots on the move. Lots of missed shots, even in short fights. Excessive exposition. And you are primary target because youre free damage. Not enough damage to counter fast firing scouts or cromwells. In the current meta, if your heavies are annihilated, you cant do crap.

 

And it has less hp!! than a tier 6 cromwell with regular mm!! and a way better!!! gun. Exactly the definition of a great tank. So great that I love to feast on them with my amx12t. 


Edited by Akathis, 06 November 2015 - 09:21 AM.


Tazilon #10 Posted 08 November 2015 - 06:46 AM

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View PostAkathis, on 06 November 2015 - 08:20 AM, said:

The tank is useless in EU server. Maybe in NA server, with even more noobs per match.

 

Why so useless? It aims slooow. Huge dispersion. Not enough gun depression (the tank is too big).Troll accuracy (way worse than that of pz4h derp). Did i say it is too big? and it aswell has a too soft armor... that is => point and shoot for every single enemy.

Consecuences? No snapshoots. No shots on the move. Lots of missed shots, even in short fights. Excessive exposition. And you are primary target because youre free damage. Not enough damage to counter fast firing scouts or cromwells. In the current meta, if your heavies are annihilated, you cant do crap.

 

And it has less hp!! than a tier 6 cromwell with regular mm!! and a way better!!! gun. Exactly the definition of a great tank. So great that I love to feast on them with my amx12t. 

 

a) I am slowly building out a 28.01 here on EU.  I will show you how useless it is once i get it done.  Having played almost 500 battles here in EU now, I am confident the 28.01 will excel here just as it does in NA.

 

b)  Exact same accuracy as the Pz IV H 105.

 

c) By the way, use HEAT on Cromwells and most are 2 shots...

 

d) More noobs per match in EU than NA unless you play NA West.

 

e)  If you don't make 12t miss or get a big crit, 12t will win; if not, 28.01 blows 12t up.

 

The weakness of the 28.01 is fighting auto-loaders so fighting them 1v1 straight up is silly.  But catch a 12t looking the wrong way and it doesn't have long to live.


Edited by Tazilon, 08 November 2015 - 06:54 AM.


leoneazzurro #11 Posted 08 November 2015 - 01:39 PM

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Or simply if you have a cover you can peek-a-boo it, VK is much more manouverable so it's unlikely for the 12t to be able to rush the VK.

Tazilon #12 Posted 09 November 2015 - 03:56 AM

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View Postleoneazzurro, on 08 November 2015 - 12:39 PM, said:

Or simply if you have a cover you can peek-a-boo it, VK is much more manouverable so it's unlikely for the 12t to be able to rush the VK.

 

it doesn't have to rush..if you peek-a-booing since it has faster reload within its clip it just waits for you to pop out

 



leoneazzurro #13 Posted 09 November 2015 - 06:26 PM

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Yes, but in peek-a-boo a 12t can do 135 damage average, double if it's lucky, you can do up to 410 or 350 average if you use heat... so it's dead in two shots.

Tazilon #14 Posted 11 November 2015 - 02:02 AM

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View Postleoneazzurro, on 09 November 2015 - 05:26 PM, said:

Yes, but in peek-a-boo a 12t can do 135 damage average, double if it's lucky, you can do up to 410 or 350 average if you use heat... so it's dead in two shots.

 

If you think that, it will kill you alot peek-a-booing

indu #15 Posted 11 November 2015 - 08:19 AM

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VK2801 is a epic light tank killer. 

Only OP russian tier 7-8 tanks are hard to handle.



Tazilon #16 Posted 12 November 2015 - 02:42 PM

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View Postindu, on 11 November 2015 - 07:19 AM, said:

VK2801 is a epic light tank killer. 

Only OP russian tier 7-8 tanks are hard to handle.

 

 

In all honesty, the Russian 7/8s AND any auto-loader with a full clip that you can't get to to ram is tough.

 

[EDIT] Not sure why anyone would neg this.  I agree the 28.01 wipes out other Scouts (I have the most Naydin's on the NA server because of my 28.01),  but the fact is any auto-loader with a full clip, even a 59-16, will give the 28.01 fits unless it can ram them.  


Edited by Tazilon, 12 November 2015 - 11:40 PM.


Tazilon #17 Posted 12 November 2015 - 11:32 PM

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Here is my brand new VK 28.01 with 0 crew skills being useless on EU server...

 

http://wotreplays.com/site/2272099#siegfried_line-tazilon-vk_28_01

 

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leoneazzurro #18 Posted 13 November 2015 - 06:41 PM

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View PostTazilon, on 11 November 2015 - 02:02 AM, said:

 

If you think that, it will kill you alot peek-a-booing

 

Sorry, I don't understand. Are you saying the VK is hopeless against a 12t or? Because going 1 on 1 s not working, sniping with a derp is out of question, peek a boo is not viable.. So what's your take when facing a 12t?

indu #19 Posted 13 November 2015 - 06:41 PM

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with VK i eat all tier 6 LT's for breakfast. And with T54 lt' normaly 13 90 has no chance when he is alone. Unless he is a better player than me.

Sry about OT.



Tazilon #20 Posted 14 November 2015 - 04:53 AM

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View Postindu, on 13 November 2015 - 05:41 PM, said:

with VK i eat all tier 6 LT's for breakfast. And with T54 lt' normaly 13 90 has no chance when he is alone. Unless he is a better player than me.

Sry about OT.

 

No you won't.  An auto-loader 59-16 will beat you if he is any good, as will a 12t if you can't ram him or force him to miss 2 shots.




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