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Silent_Killer99 #1 Posted 27 August 2015 - 02:35 PM

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LTTB has better frontal hull armor, better aim time, better accuracy, better dpm. It also loses less penetration over distance, it has the same view range as the T54 LT although it is a tier lower and it is way faster (30,86 hp/t compared to the 22,85 of the T54 LT). The only advantages worth mentioning that the t54 has is the extra 2 degrees of gun depression and the better turret. So here is my point. The combat capabilities of those tanks are quite close to each other although they are different tiers. The t54 LT should be done better imo so that it is obviously superior to the LTTB and not only in the detail. Pls tell me what you think

 

 

 

 

 

 



Arty_Loves_You #2 Posted 27 August 2015 - 02:48 PM

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I've just ground out the LTTB, and now the tracks, engines and gun for the T54 Lt Wt, I seriously enjoyed the speed of the LTTB but those 2 degrees of gun depression are a serious disadvantage. It's only since using the T54 Lt Wt that I really noticed the major drawback of the LTTB. 

 

Loving the T54 Lt Wt, gonna be playing it alot the next few weeks, to get the T54 med. I seem to be doing better in it than I did in the LTTB, experience? Maybe, not done a lot of scouts..... 

 

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Jimbodiah #3 Posted 27 August 2015 - 03:06 PM

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54LtWt has better terrain resistance, turret armor is way better, and the angling of the armor means it is better overall vs the LTTB. Lower profile.

The gun is lacking, you basically have a tier 6 gun on a tier 8 tank, low rate and lower accuracy. I have the same gun on the 54mod1 and it sucks vs tier 9 and is useless vs tier10 unless you spam gold all the time. This is a great CW/ESL tank though if you only meet the same tier.

zikkon #4 Posted 27 August 2015 - 03:09 PM

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Yes, there is a reason T54lt is a tank of choice in t8 organized gameplay (tournaments, CW, SH).

H311fi5h #5 Posted 27 August 2015 - 03:13 PM

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Dude, T-54 ltwt. is already the best tier 8 light tank in the game. If anything, that tank needs a nerf to make the other lights competitive again.

When comparing the stats you unfortunately missed the most important one, that is the (hidden) dispersion. Accuracy and aim time don't tell you much, because for a light tank the more important ability is hitting on the move. T-54 ltwt. excells in that department, LTTB not so much. Also ltwt can use a Vertical Stabilizer, which is a massive advantage.


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Rambe #6 Posted 27 August 2015 - 03:15 PM

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Ltwt should have better accuracy ingame, because it have lot smaller movement dispersion factors compared to LTTB (0.12 movement & 0.08 turret traverse compared to 0.16 & 0.12). Also that extra depression should be really handy.

Silent_Killer99 #7 Posted 27 August 2015 - 03:18 PM

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The LTTB has 3 degrees of gd not 2. And as far as i know the better terrain resistance only offers little compared to a better hp/t ratio. Also it makes you slide and getting tracked constantly. Also if you angle your armor you can often bounce those 122mm guns. My point is not that the LTTP is OP or the T54 is UP but there should be more difference between them as for example happens with the sp 1 c and the ru 251

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A little off-topic - WZ132 is immensly better at shooting on the move and that is why i prefer it over T54lt, even though T54lt is OP as a light tank.

Silent_Killer99 #9 Posted 27 August 2015 - 03:26 PM

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Well if the t54 lt is op so is the LTTB the bulldog the t71 the ru 251 and the amx 13 90. The fact that it is a good tank doesnt necaserly mean that it is op

H311fi5h #10 Posted 27 August 2015 - 03:30 PM

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View Postzikkon, on 27 August 2015 - 03:22 PM, said:

A little off-topic - WZ132 is immensly better at shooting on the move and that is why i prefer it over T54lt, even though T54lt is OP as a light tank.

 

Not sure which WZ you are playing, but the dispersion stats are exactly identical for the 85 mm gun, and worse for the 100 mm.

zikkon #11 Posted 27 August 2015 - 03:43 PM

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View PostH311fi5h, on 27 August 2015 - 02:30 PM, said:

Not sure which WZ you are playing, but the dispersion stats are exactly identical for the 85 mm gun, and worse for the 100 mm.

I've been playing quite a lot of T54lt and WZ132 lately and stats aside WZ132 is much more reliable when shooting on the move - personal opinion mind you.



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I don't like the T54Lt actually, even though it is pretty good. The LTTB is way more enjoyable imo.

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Both tanks are awesome. I have to agree: IF LTTB had 1200 hitpoints it would the stronger tank.

 

All tier 8 LT's are more sluggish than their tier 7 predicessors.



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View PostH311fi5h, on 27 August 2015 - 03:13 PM, said:

Dude, T-54 ltwt. is already the best tier 8 light tank in the game. If anything, that tank needs a nerf to make the other lights competitive again.

When comparing the stats you unfortunately missed the most important one, that is the (hidden) dispersion. Accuracy and aim time don't tell you much, because for a light tank the more important ability is hitting on the move. T-54 ltwt. excells in that department, LTTB not so much. Also ltwt can use a Vertical Stabilizer, which is a massive advantage.

 

What WG needs to do is buff all the other light tanks to the same level, not nerf the T-54 ltwt.

 

 

 



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View PostTankkiPoju, on 28 August 2015 - 05:26 AM, said:

 

What WG needs to do is buff all the other light tanks to the same level, not nerf the T-54 ltwt.

 

 

 

 

Exactly. Its embarassing how bad they are. Only truly usable on few selects map.

 

E 50 that gets same matchmaking as T-54 ltwt is lightyears ahead in every department on 90% of maps. With AP T-54lt is not even guaranteed pen on LFP of the E 50.

 

And Tier 6 LT's in T9 :-) what a joke


Edited by tumppi776, 28 August 2015 - 07:06 AM.


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View Posttumppi776, on 28 August 2015 - 06:05 AM, said:

Both tanks are awesome. I have to agree: IF LTTB had 1200 hitpoints it would the stronger tank.

 

All tier 8 LT's except the Germans are more sluggish than their tier 7 predicessors.

 

Had to fix that, sorry ;)

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Buff t54lt (again)!! Not seeing enough of them in wgl because they're too weak compared to the others.

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View PostArty_Loves_You, on 27 August 2015 - 01:48 PM, said:

I've just ground out the LTTB, and now the tracks, engines and gun for the T54 Lt Wt, I seriously enjoyed the speed of the LTTB but those 2 degrees of gun depression are a serious disadvantage. It's only since using the T54 Lt Wt that I really noticed the major drawback of the LTTB. 

 

Loving the T54 Lt Wt, gonna be playing it alot the next few weeks, to get the T54 med. I seem to be doing better in it than I did in the LTTB, experience? Maybe, not done a lot of scouts..... 

 

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I've not played the TH4 Lt Wt but you're right about the LTTB. It's great in the role of active scout but considering how important that is now the gun depression has really meant that I've struggled with it. There's a tank for the taking and then, nope I can't actually hit it.

Somnorila #19 Posted 28 August 2015 - 03:51 PM

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I didn't quite enjoyed LTTB, T-54lt is ok but i like RU or WZ better for some reason. Like Zikkon mentioned i too feel much more confident in shooting while in motion in a WZ-132 rather than in T-54lt, that includes snapshots and peaking and retreating too.

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View PostAngelofAwe, on 28 August 2015 - 08:48 AM, said:

Buff t54lt (again)!! Not seeing enough of them in wgl because they're too weak compared to the others.

 

They are not even used on Himmelsdorf, needs buff! 




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