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Poll: Player Rates T20 (144 members have cast votes)

Pls. Rates T20 from your personal experience

  1. Excellent Tank (50 votes [32.47%])

    Percentage of vote: 32.47%

  2. Really Good Tank (50 votes [32.47%])

    Percentage of vote: 32.47%

  3. Good-Average Tank (35 votes [22.73%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.73%

  4. Mediocre Tank, (17 votes [11.04%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.04%

  5. Disaster Tank (2 votes [1.30%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.30%

What Kind of Equipment you mount on Mosquito?

  1. Vertical Stab (108 votes [25.71%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.71%

  2. Toolbox (5 votes [1.19%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.19%

  3. CO2 (2 votes [0.48%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.48%

  4. Gun laying drive (28 votes [6.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.67%

  5. Coated Optics (20 votes [4.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.76%

  6. Binocular (13 votes [3.10%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.10%

  7. Gun-Rammer (125 votes [29.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 29.76%

  8. Spall Liner (3 votes [0.71%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.71%

  9. Coil Springs (4 votes [0.95%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.95%

  10. "Wet" Ammo-Rack (3 votes [0.71%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.71%

  11. Ventilation (98 votes [23.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.33%

  12. Camo-net (11 votes [2.62%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.62%

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damo74 #41 Posted 03 October 2011 - 03:25 PM

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I had high hopes for the T20, but I am not getting on well with it so far.

Especially as I had a load of free XP sitting around, so when I bought the T20 I was able to immediatley get it fully upgraded. I'll stick with it, as I have to if I want the Patton. I think I have just been unlucky with the maps I keep getting (F**king Komarin over and over again) where mediums cannot flank. Also with a string of crap teams.

I really want the T20 to work fro me, as I enjoyed the Easy 8.

Consilium #42 Posted 06 October 2011 - 06:03 PM

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View PostChewieJ, on 02 October 2011 - 09:01 AM, said:

Nope. As stated, hadn't played on eu server in a few days because was playing something else.

It may be a bug, because it happened before with a different tank, when they rolled out 6.5

That miraculously got cured next time I logged in.

Will see tonight when I log in again.

ahh so that must be the reason why i got the engine researched when i have bought the tank. I thought maybe I had it from another tank but than I found I havent. On TD's im still on slugger and heavies have different engines.

Going back to the topic. T20 is a good tank, the 90mm works well on it, but its not as nimble as E8 neither it has great armor like E2. Its good overall, but doesnt have a one big trick up its sleeve like the E8 speed and agility or E2's armor.

On my german tanks account Im currently on Panther and definately have better stats on it. While its slow compared to T20 it has good armor, a better gun and 200 more hp. Nevertheless I have more fun in T20.

SycaMore #43 Posted 07 October 2011 - 01:40 PM

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@ goliat33

Nice article! Pretty much sums up my experience of the T20 so far  :)

I must admit at the beginning the paper armor was quite annoying, every single shots penetrates and usually takes out a crew member or a module.
I should have gotten used to that on the E8 but still it was a bit of a shock.

But when I started playing the 20 like it should be played.. Great tank!

I love getting to a good position fast, getting one or two shots at incoming tanks and move into cover.  Then just stay hidden and take shots when possible or advance when the time is right.
Or even move to another part of the map and help out there, depending on how the match is going.

It's great how annoying I can be in the T-20 (like a mosquito)  :Smile_great:    
The tanks know where you are, but can't get a shot in due to the cover.  They also know that if they look away you will use the opportunity and shoot them in the side of the turret or even penetrate the front (possible with most tanks your tier and some of the higher ones).
So they sometimes get stuck in an bad position where they have to choose if to concentrate on your Heavy teammate(s) or keep an eye on you.
Most of the time they go for the Heavy(s) and that is when you can bring the pain.  Average of 240 Hp per shot.

So far I've got 64 matches in the T20 with 46 wins. (probably jinxing my nice win ratio with this post   :huh: ).

I hope the Pershing will be as fun to play.  A little bit concerned that the only gun improvement is +20 in penetration (and faster reload?)

steamrick #44 Posted 07 October 2011 - 02:18 PM

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180pen is fine for a tier 8 medium.

The T23 only had the regular 90mm with 160 pen and it was one of the most fun tanks I've ever played. You just gotta put more effort into flanking ;)

EvilOn3 #45 Posted 12 October 2011 - 05:05 PM

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First 100 games of so until i got it fully upgraded where a nightmare ass my first steps in american tree where on the meds so i had to grind all... and had about a 38% win ratio.But upgrading it and the learning how to use this glass armor my win ratio when up to the sky to around 56% now.  
  Even if any tier 4 tank can put a hole in your turret and hull i must say it is one of the funnest tanks to drive so far with my kv 152 mm.I do hope pershing will be this fun to.

Technocrat_Prime #46 Posted 13 October 2011 - 03:16 PM

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View PostConsilium, on 06 October 2011 - 06:03 PM, said:

Going back to the topic. T20 is a good tank, the 90mm works well on it, but its not as nimble as E8 neither it has great armor like E2. Its good overall, but doesnt have a one big trick up its sleeve like the E8 speed and agility or E2's armor.

Quite so. I have never driven one, but I sure do like to meet them on the battlefield - they are easy kills.

Manie_de #47 Posted 18 October 2011 - 07:50 AM

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A little OT maybe, but I have a question: I can research and buy the T20 or the VK2801.
Which tank would you buy ?

I love playing with HE guns and both tanks can use the 10,5mm/105mm.
VK2801 is much more agile, but only half the HP and less armor than the T20.
Repair cost on the VK2801 will be higher than that on the T20.

Would like to hear your opinion about it (and please don't tell me that this two tanks are apples and oranges: both will face the same enemies on the battlefield).


Thanks,
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goliat33 #48 Posted 18 October 2011 - 08:48 AM

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View PostManie_de, on 18 October 2011 - 07:50 AM, said:

A little OT maybe, but I have a question: I can research and buy the T20 or the VK2801.
Which tank would you buy ?

I love playing with HE guns and both tanks can use the 10,5mm/105mm.
VK2801 is much more agile, but only half the HP and less armor than the T20.
Repair cost on the VK2801 will be higher than that on the T20.

Would like to hear your opinion about it (and please don't tell me that this two tanks are apples and oranges: both will face the same enemies on the battlefield).


Thanks,
Martin


Ok Martin,first of all thx couse you want to hear my opinion and I must said this is not neccesery same for each player if you asking me to compare Vk2801 with T20 sure that i must said that this 2 tanks are a diffrent class so what 2801 can do T2o can't and opposite offcourse, but anyway I will tell you from my point of view advantages of both tanks.So let's start, Vk2801 is  smaller,faster and have a better view(Spoting)range than T20 no doubt that this little bugger is one of the best scouts in the game but his armour and gun choice is by far worst than 90mm on T20 so yeah in many situtaion you will must use HE shells and don't expect easy groups in Standard battles couse all Scouts(T50/2,vk2801,chaffy,leo...etc)more or less 80%-90% will be on the bottom of the list and your team will expect some good scouting from you.T20 it's  medium Tank and yes for sure he don't have a good armour but never the less that 90mm can dmg almost any tank that you  can face it in WOT(depend on side&Angle)this days.So my friend if you are just in For scouting Than with no doubt take Vk2801 but if you want to have a fast,agile and good scout-medium Tank My choice will be T20.On the end my friend the choice is all Yours And maybe that Black Shirt from the closet that i like will never be your choice just because you don't like the black colour!!!!

Manie_de #49 Posted 18 October 2011 - 09:53 AM

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View Postgoliat33, on 18 October 2011 - 08:48 AM, said:

Ok Martin,first of all thx couse you want to hear my opinion and I must said this is not neccesery same for each player if you asking me to compare Vk2801 with T20 sure that i must said that this 2 tanks are a diffrent class so what 2801 can do T2o can't and opposite offcourse, but anyway I will tell you from my point of view advantages of both tanks.So let's start, Vk2801 is  smaller,faster and have a better view(Spoting)range than T20 no doubt that this little bugger is one of the best scouts in the game but his armour and gun choice is by far worst than 90mm on T20 so yeah in many situtaion you will must use HE shells and don't expect easy groups in Standard battles couse all Scouts(T50/2,vk2801,chaffy,leo...etc)more or less 80%-90% will be on the bottom of the list and your team will expect some good scouting from you.T20 it's  medium Tank and yes for sure he don't have a good armour but never the less that 90mm can dmg almost any tank that you  can face it in WOT(depend on side&Angle)this days.So my friend if you are just in For scouting Than with no doubt take Vk2801 but if you want to have a fast,agile and good scout-medium Tank My choice will be T20.On the end my friend the choice is all Yours And maybe that Black Shirt from the closet that i like will never be your choice just because you don't like the black colour!!!!
Thanks a lot, Goliath, for your honest opinion.
I know that tastes are different (and that is a good thing), but you pointed out some things I don't thought about yet.
First I'd like to repeat myself: I LOVE HE guns and would use the 105mm on the T20 exclusively.
I played a lot other tanks with the 10,5mm/105mm/122mm and know what this guns can do and what not.

But one thing is, that my scouting abilities really sucks and if my team expect from me to act as a scout, then they and me are screwed :)
I would play the VK2801 more like a highly mobile fast firebrigade flanker (and not like a sit in a bush and light up theenemy or suicide drive through the enemy base).

So maybe the "sluggish" ;) T20 will not force me into a play style that don't fit me.
And I could even change my guns and try out the 90mm for another game experience.

Again, thank you for sharing your experiences and opinion on these two tanks !  :Smile_great:

Martin

patton4ever #50 Posted 18 October 2011 - 10:43 AM

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cannot wait to get my t20 thx all for the feedback :)

Hagbardur #51 Posted 18 October 2011 - 02:32 PM

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View PostManie_de, on 18 October 2011 - 09:53 AM, said:

But one thing is, that my scouting abilities really sucks and if my team expect from me to act as a scout, then they and me are screwed :)
I would play the VK2801 more like a highly mobile fast firebrigade flanker (and not like a sit in a bush and light up theenemy or suicide drive through the enemy base).
Then you would be playing it the right way (IMHO).

My VK2801 pretty much never does the suicide drive and I've never sat in a bush in it. I'm doing fine in it (68% winning ratio) with the 105mm derp gun, one shotting passing lights and some mediums (Pz4, Pz3/4 if I hit their sides for example).

It is an extra gun on a very mobile and small platform (compared to the heavy tanks) that can, at the right time, break through to get the arty out of the match.

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View PostHagbardur, on 18 October 2011 - 02:32 PM, said:

Then you would be playing it the right way (IMHO).

My VK2801 pretty much never does the suicide drive and I've never sat in a bush in it. I'm doing fine in it (68% winning ratio) with the 105mm derp gun, one shotting passing lights and some mediums (Pz4, Pz3/4 if I hit their sides for example).

It is an extra gun on a very mobile and small platform (compared to the heavy tanks) that can, at the right time, break through to get the arty out of the match.

Hmmm...when I said good scouting I didn't mean on suicide driving at the begining of the battle....But never the less as a good scout you need to prepare yourself for sacrificing  sometimes for a good of your team if that will kill more enemy tanks...

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Best tier 7 med IMO!
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patton4ever #54 Posted 19 October 2011 - 12:10 PM

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Just got the T20, what do you recommand as first upgrade, engine or turret (Suspension is also needed i guess) ?
In the end it is 16k xp to mount 90m (suspension + turret) or 11,5k xp for next engine.


With the stock engine i feel underpowered, will it get better with the next engine?

thx!

MWolfie #55 Posted 19 October 2011 - 10:07 PM

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would clearly go for suspension + turret (90mm), since that is the absolutely biggest plus of the T20.
Speed will never be great, and turning will always be a bit sluggish, but the gun... :)

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Aye, would also recommend turret/90mm first.  The increased performance from the second engine is rather modest and not as beneficial as moving up to the 90mm gun; at least that's how I felt.

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Fast and agile tank with a very good gun and good ROF still on the M6 the 90mm shines most. However it flaws like virtually no armor (Tier 4 guns can bust your armor) and being a "light tank" (only ~30T) makes this tank prone to ramming.
I had a lot of fun once it got my crew 100% and with that utilizing it high speed and maneuverability by constantly driving across the battlefield to quickly ambush from the side and run away. But as an American tank with high gun depression tank his very low profile a good first choice to attack over hilltops.

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View Postpatton4ever, on 19 October 2011 - 12:10 PM, said:

Just got the T20, what do you recommand as first upgrade, engine or turret (Suspension is also needed i guess) ?
In the end it is 16k xp to mount 90m (suspension + turret) or 11,5k xp for next engine.


With the stock engine i feel underpowered, will it get better with the next engine?

thx!

Hey my friend, first of all gratz on your new T-20 and I really hope that you will enjoy many wins in this little tank...Ok considering your question I will say this order:Suspension,turret,gun(Espacially if you allready have 90mm gun open)...Yeah Engine is also very important and you can feel the diffrence on the hills and when you need to brake some trees or smaller houses but that is all still I belive that you will feel the big diffrence when you have your crew on 100%(+maybe some of additional skills)and fully upgraded Tank and one more thing if you want to mount modules choose wise and see what is suit for your style....Good luck m8 and have a fun!!!

Kurnubego #59 Posted 24 October 2011 - 12:24 AM

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Had this tank earlier. Wonderful little thing. And I think this tank really help you to improve your skills in medium tanks more.

1) Armor? there is none. Forget it. Learn not to get in the line of fire in the first place. This tank with small profile, speed ang agility allows you to avoid damage very well.
2) 90mm with low reload time doesn't really lend you a hand against one on one situations.. guess what? learn to avoid direct contact in the first place. Always bite the ones who are already distracted. Same applies to all medium tanks more or less.
3) Getting away from trouble ! he he, important. As well as switching between engagments. You don't want to fight 4 tanks alone in your paper T 20 right?

Good luck mastering this tank! :Smile-playing:

Rampage #60 Posted 27 October 2011 - 02:23 AM

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It was a good tank in beta. Now whith lots of type 59, new scouts, it's simply an average tank. Nothing special about it. However panther and T 43 suffers about same thing.