Object 704
Deleted_User_spa_740557
22 Mar 2012
gmnenad, on 22 March 2012 - 12:36 PM, said:
Ah ... strange, when I check Tomyslaf profile, I do not see any Obj704, and his average hit ratio is 58%.
And yes, 84% seems bit high - I could understand on some tank with low number of games (anything is possible with under 100 played games), but for tanks with decent number of played games it does look bit high .. or at least high if it does not sacrifice other stats, ie you can decide to always hit (get close, wait for certain shots...), and ignore if you get killed/lose etc ;p
BTW, I'm not saying it is impossible to have 84% hit, although it is very hard. If you go to this chart, and select 'Overall Results':
http://wot-news.com/...erver/eu/top/en
you will see nice graph with win, lose and hit% per all TOP players. Even for those top players, only 15 players had 84% or more (and none more than 86%) - that is out of some 300k players with over 1000 games ;p
Similar graph for all russian players (so not only top, but all, and not on EU server as above graph, but on russian server where more people play):
http://wot-news.com/...rver/ru/norm/en
If you go to 'Overall Results' you will see again maybe 15 people over 84% hit, and this time it is out of 1.5 million players with over 1000 games. So basically one in 100k players will go over 84%. Although thise stats are for 'overall hit%' (where I have for example 70%). So it is (barely) possible that players with average 80% hit ratio can have 90% on their most precise tank ;p
And yes, 84% seems bit high - I could understand on some tank with low number of games (anything is possible with under 100 played games), but for tanks with decent number of played games it does look bit high .. or at least high if it does not sacrifice other stats, ie you can decide to always hit (get close, wait for certain shots...), and ignore if you get killed/lose etc ;p
BTW, I'm not saying it is impossible to have 84% hit, although it is very hard. If you go to this chart, and select 'Overall Results':
http://wot-news.com/...erver/eu/top/en
you will see nice graph with win, lose and hit% per all TOP players. Even for those top players, only 15 players had 84% or more (and none more than 86%) - that is out of some 300k players with over 1000 games ;p
Similar graph for all russian players (so not only top, but all, and not on EU server as above graph, but on russian server where more people play):
http://wot-news.com/...rver/ru/norm/en
If you go to 'Overall Results' you will see again maybe 15 people over 84% hit, and this time it is out of 1.5 million players with over 1000 games. So basically one in 100k players will go over 84%. Although thise stats are for 'overall hit%' (where I have for example 70%). So it is (barely) possible that players with average 80% hit ratio can have 90% on their most precise tank ;p
oh do check better
http://wot-dossier.a...157#performance
and in signature is acc conected to object
droped 1% now is 83...
gmnenad
22 Mar 2012
Tomyslaf, on 22 March 2012 - 05:40 PM, said:
oh do check better
http://wot-dossier.a...157#performance
and in signature is acc conected to object
droped 1% now is 83...
http://wot-dossier.a...157#performance
and in signature is acc conected to object
droped 1% now is 83...
seems your ingame name ends with "V" instead of "F"
Anyway, on Tomislav account there is indeed 82%, which is high number - although with fairly low number of played games so I expect it will eventually get closer to your other tanks with more games, like 76% on ISU-152 (as closest fit, also being TD, with same gun etc, and with 488 battles)
GehakteMolen
22 Mar 2012
gmnenad, on 22 March 2012 - 09:33 PM, said:
well, I was checking official Tomyslaf account on WG site : http://worldoftanks.eu/community/accounts/500879267-Tomyslaf/
seems your ingame name ends with "V" instead of "F"
Anyway, on Tomislav account there is indeed 82%, which is high number - although with fairly low number of played games so I expect it will eventually get closer to your other tanks with more games, like 76% on ISU-152 (as closest fit, also being TD, with same gun etc, and with 488 battles)
seems your ingame name ends with "V" instead of "F"
Anyway, on Tomislav account there is indeed 82%, which is high number - although with fairly low number of played games so I expect it will eventually get closer to your other tanks with more games, like 76% on ISU-152 (as closest fit, also being TD, with same gun etc, and with 488 battles)
after reading ur posts about acc i checked my own
in obj-704 i have: 81.6
in ISU-152 i have: 83.8
in SU-152 i have: 80.8 (only played derp gun)
so its possible to get high acc with it, its just a matter of carefull play
(my overall accuracy is also quite high, 80%, and the main reason its so ``low`` is cozed i played quite alot with scouts, which nerf accuracy hard
)
Deleted_User_spa_740557
23 Mar 2012
gmnenad, on 22 March 2012 - 09:33 PM, said:
well, I was checking official Tomyslaf account on WG site : http://worldoftanks.eu/community/accounts/500879267-Tomyslaf/
seems your ingame name ends with "V" instead of "F"
Anyway, on Tomislav account there is indeed 82%, which is high number - although with fairly low number of played games so I expect it will eventually get closer to your other tanks with more games, like 76% on ISU-152 (as closest fit, also being TD, with same gun etc, and with 488 battles)
seems your ingame name ends with "V" instead of "F"
Anyway, on Tomislav account there is indeed 82%, which is high number - although with fairly low number of played games so I expect it will eventually get closer to your other tanks with more games, like 76% on ISU-152 (as closest fit, also being TD, with same gun etc, and with 488 battles)
well, most of battles on ISU was fought with derp gun
704 i use in close combat, so this is reason i hit mostly at what i aim.
and i really really should switch forum acc, old acc is in no use and is only confusing peoples...
both are mine Tomyslaf and Tomyslav, but mostly i talk about new acc, sorry for confusion.
rasfo
23 Mar 2012
well accuracy is not that important stat if it is not extremely low. It depend from your play style a lot. If u like to shoot to bushes even if enemy tank dissapeared there 3sec ago u might have quite few misses. Also in malinovka, if u have binos object is not most accurate tank for 500m shooting..... Shooting while driving is also recipe for misses but i had quite few good shots while racing to Karelia hill.
SuperBidi
23 Mar 2012
Sorry to tell you that, Tomyslav, but ... you don't shoot enough ^^
I compared our 2 stats with object (I don't know if it saves stats but I give you the link : http://wot-dossier.a...383#performance), and I shoot 7 times per fight where you shoot 6 times per fight. But, half of this extra shot hits, doing 200 more damage per fight (and same difference in frags too).
I think you should consider shooting in situation where you don't shoot. It may be caused by your playstyle, but I think you are thinking a bit too much before hitting the button ^^
My 2 cents, of course. Your overall stats with Object proves you know how to handle it. They also show we have completely different style of play, when I see your cap/def ratio compared to mine
I compared our 2 stats with object (I don't know if it saves stats but I give you the link : http://wot-dossier.a...383#performance), and I shoot 7 times per fight where you shoot 6 times per fight. But, half of this extra shot hits, doing 200 more damage per fight (and same difference in frags too).
I think you should consider shooting in situation where you don't shoot. It may be caused by your playstyle, but I think you are thinking a bit too much before hitting the button ^^
My 2 cents, of course. Your overall stats with Object proves you know how to handle it. They also show we have completely different style of play, when I see your cap/def ratio compared to mine
ViktorKitov
04 Apr 2012
I liked my Obj, but after the 7.2 I prefer playing the IS-7. For some strange reason I have really bad games with the Obj recently (Constant losses and below 20k Credits) Also my win raio dropped tby 1% in just a day.
iNowack
05 Apr 2012
ViktorKitov, on 04 April 2012 - 02:59 PM, said:
I liked my Obj, but after the 7.2 I prefer playing the IS-7. For some strange reason I have really bad games with the Obj recently (Constant losses and below 20k Credits) Also my win raio dropped tby 1% in just a day.
Same here, since 072 patch, i get very strange accuracy (misses at 100-200m full zoom) from the gun and very low DPS, also gets very bad games so i preferably play with my JT lately.
Deleted_User_spa_740557
05 Apr 2012
ViktorKitov, on 04 April 2012 - 02:59 PM, said:
I liked my Obj, but after the 7.2 I prefer playing the IS-7. For some strange reason I have really bad games with the Obj recently (Constant losses and below 20k Credits) Also my win raio dropped tby 1% in just a day.
on patch weekend i lose 3%!!!
now i manage to get back 1%...
but its not same 704 as before...
[I have it] 
Raydicule
07 Apr 2012
I also noticed something I bounce much much more that before. Maybe because he is smaller the angle is worst.
Did you have the same problem ?
Did you have the same problem ?
VVere
13 Apr 2012
So how much gun depression does this thing have? I got killed by one on Abbey where I only ever saw the top 10cm of the tank because he was on one of the base slopes - yet he hit me no problem on the other side of the plateau. To do that it would normally take an american heavy tank, but it seems Object 704 has on top of its klingon cloak also T32 gun depression 
rasfo
14 Apr 2012
not that great it is quite poor gun depression, on that slope even is7 will shoot at u.
Tantrum
15 Apr 2012
Stealth nerfed I don't know, I just get more and more frustrated with being circleblocked by some bitchy french abomination, who can easily afford to get a load into his face before leasurely parking beside me; and, of course, the BL-10. I just don't get this gun, this has nothing to do with "character", more like a "fuck you" switch that's turned on at random at the beginning of a match. One game, I will hit every single shot, annihilate T-50-2s on the move with ease, score penetrating hits on T10 tanks if they so much as show me their turret, and so on. The next match, I will not only miss that same T-50-2, but also ding it once it stands still; and then proceed to miss, ding or (at best) detrack anything I aim at. Bouncing even tanks T7 and below doesn't help much either.
/rant off
Oh well. Can't wait what they do with the StuG E-100, that one's next on my list. If they give it the E-100 15cm gun, good night sweet prince - that one sucks even more.
/rant off
Oh well. Can't wait what they do with the StuG E-100, that one's next on my list. If they give it the E-100 15cm gun, good night sweet prince - that one sucks even more.
XxXSpottedYouXxX
27 Apr 2012
ViktorKitov, on 04 April 2012 - 02:59 PM, said:
I liked my Obj, but after the 7.2 I prefer playing the IS-7. For some strange reason I have really bad games with the Obj recently (Constant losses and below 20k Credits) Also my win raio dropped tby 1% in just a day.
My stats are not great with the object also maybe its because of all these high penetration fail tanks however i think its because im more using my object as a heavy / td kind of mixed depending on situation.
I still love the object even if i lose credit i still have a decent game if im careful.
CarrierOfDeath
02 May 2012
Object is still same powerfull b*tch as it was... but I agree there is a change since last patch.
More than change it seems like "hidden nerf" sometimes.
There are 2 things, which are pretty much changed in my opinion...
- Somehow lowered accuracy of BL-10 - pretty much
- Those "low dmg shots" are pretty annoying, but that problem got all tanks, not just us
Other things did happen before too, so I don't want speculate here... If I was able bounce Grille before, nvm about Tier VII bounces now.
But those stats are pretty easy to proof on your statistic... I have 6% lowered accruacy and much more I can not hit tanks in mostly same situation as before...
Last thing for me was yesterday mine 8 HE shoots fired on T95 at 403 meters and just one direct hit (T95 was a bit more above reticle - horizontal axis).
I didn't trust myself it was somehow nerfed, but then I came and read Russain TD forum here...
So nope, I'm not whiner and it is not just my combat experience.
More than change it seems like "hidden nerf" sometimes.
There are 2 things, which are pretty much changed in my opinion...
- Somehow lowered accuracy of BL-10 - pretty much
- Those "low dmg shots" are pretty annoying, but that problem got all tanks, not just us
Other things did happen before too, so I don't want speculate here... If I was able bounce Grille before, nvm about Tier VII bounces now.
But those stats are pretty easy to proof on your statistic... I have 6% lowered accruacy and much more I can not hit tanks in mostly same situation as before...
Last thing for me was yesterday mine 8 HE shoots fired on T95 at 403 meters and just one direct hit (T95 was a bit more above reticle - horizontal axis).
I didn't trust myself it was somehow nerfed, but then I came and read Russain TD forum here...
So nope, I'm not whiner and it is not just my combat experience.
MeiserLeiser
07 May 2012
Same feeling here. After 7.2 my win % has gone down. Actually I don't play this tank anymore. It has been my favorite with the best win % but now something is wrong.
nulero82
07 May 2012
Fixed and reworked visual models of Т25/2, PzKpfw VI Tiger, KV-3, Т32, Т30, Т-46, KV-5, Object 704.
What is it that have modified?
Edited by nulero82, 07 May 2012 - 11:24 PM.
What is it that have modified?
Edited by nulero82, 07 May 2012 - 11:24 PM.
nulero82
08 May 2012
What have you done with the object? now it penetrate up to kv
Edited by nulero82, 08 May 2012 - 11:35 PM.
Edited by nulero82, 08 May 2012 - 11:35 PM.
