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Poll: T34-2 need a burf or not (46 members have cast votes)

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Do you think that t34-2 is a good tank

  1. Yes (3 votes [6.52%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.52%

  2. Not at all (31 votes [67.39%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 67.39%

  3. It can do the job (12 votes [26.09%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 26.09%

If you think t34-2 is not really good would you like to replace it with something else or buff it

  1. Replace it (10 votes [21.74%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 21.74%

  2. Buff it (36 votes [78.26%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 78.26%

Do you think t34-2 is better than any chinese tier8 tanks? (HT, LT, MT, primium tanks)

  1. It is the best among all chinese tier8 (1 vote [2.17%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.17%

  2. It is not really good but it is still not the worst (11 votes [23.91%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 23.91%

  3. It is excetly the worst (34 votes [73.91%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 73.91%

Do you think that t34-2 has a significently better point than all other tier8 midiums?

  1. It is better in every point (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. It do has some good points and very effctive, for example the 122 alpha dmg (6 votes [13.04%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 13.04%

  3. It has some good points but they are not really effective, for example the poor penetration (20 votes [43.48%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 43.48%

  4. It simply has no good point (20 votes [43.48%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 43.48%

Which chinese midium tank you like the best?

  1. T34-2 (4 votes [8.70%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 8.70%

  2. T34-3 (13 votes [28.26%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 28.26%

  3. Type 59 (29 votes [63.04%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 63.04%

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Han951753 #1 Posted 06 November 2015 - 12:47 AM

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Hey guys:

I really want to ask why is the t34-2 so bad, I really can not find out the way to use it. No metter I use 100 gun or 122, none of them is really effective. Let we just compare t34-2 with some midiums and light tanks in the same tier, I really think as a midium, it is even worse than LTs. 

First: gun, t34-2 can carry a 122 or 100 gun with 175 and 181 penetration and rots of fire for 4 and 7.05. Untill now, it seems stille useable, 100 gun have even 1 point more pen than the top gun on persuing, but remember, this gun only have a 5 degree depression and 122 even worse only 3 deg.  With such a low pen you can do no dmg on enemy's front, even wz 132, a light tank has a better fire pover than t34-2 with a better pen and a way better rots of fire. So if you have no fire power, you need mobility now, thich enables you to atteck from back.

second: mobility. I really have to say, just according to my own feeling, t34-3 have a better mobility than 34-2. Although all datas are the same and 34-3 is heavier and less engine power, it is still better. T34-2 really have a big difficulty by reaching it's top speed and keep it. If you turn a bit, it losts speed so much. Even you just drive stright, it still need so much time to build up the speed. So with a poor mobility, you might like to have some armor.

third:armor. The armor is really a joke on t34-2. 70/45/44 hull and180/120/60 turret, you can hardly find some one with a worse armor except amx cdc.

fourth: visibility and hide.  The visibility is again typical blind chinese style, 380m.myou can spot nobody. So with such a bad visibility you can only go to the really frount line. So hide is no single use here, which is the best part on t34-2 even though it is not very good as well. 

So i am really wandering how could worming put such a horrible tank here on this place? Even the just put t34-3 here will be ok. I really hope that we could do something with this tank. I heard there should be a 122 gun called 43-122t a upgrade for 37-122jt and another 122 gun called y174. Both of them were very similer as that bl-9 gun on is3. Similar penetration and accuricy. And i have als herd that there was a plan for type 59 with 122 gun. So maybe we can combine those 2 plans together and get a useable chinese tier 8 medium.



lord_chipmonk #2 Posted 06 November 2015 - 12:52 AM

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I agree with you, it is junk. There are a couple of threads from people who like it giving some tips, so you might want to check those out for some help. 

Fluffy_The_Destroyer #3 Posted 06 November 2015 - 05:34 AM

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T-34-2 is the reason T-34-3 wont get buffed. -2 is a terrible tank and because of that -3 wont get buffed because its not supposed to be better than -2.. which screws each other over royaly. i wish they would buff the majority of the chinese medium line tbh. they clearly need it. some gundep here and there and a bit of a gun handling buff couldent hurt, especially with the whole "gas tank in the front BS"

 

Edit: remove T-34-2 and put in a none prem Type 59 with slightly buffed stats to be better than preff MM Type 59. tho that wont happen becuase Type 59 is used as bait for there sh*tty WG torneys they stream.


Edited by Fluffy_The_Destroyer, 06 November 2015 - 05:37 AM.


SuedKAT #4 Posted 06 November 2015 - 05:45 AM

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The M3-Lee wasn't a great tank, Grant wasn't either, but I'd rather be in any of them than the T-34-2, it's simply the worst tank I've tried so far.

Nnoitraa #5 Posted 10 January 2016 - 03:28 PM

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If it just had some more penetration it whould be a Ok tank now utterly garbage.

Drahau #6 Posted 16 March 2016 - 09:53 PM

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T-34-2 is a bad tank.

It's highly flammable and prone to ammo rack damage.

The 122 gun is bad. Bad reload time, very derpy accuracy not to mention 1k shell cost.

The 100 mm is not good enough. You'll get out DPMed by most of other meds.

Mobility is good.

One question, why does the WZ 132, a same tier, same nation light tank have a BETTER gun than this medium?



Eila_Juutilainen #7 Posted 16 March 2016 - 10:23 PM

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View PostDrahau, on 16 March 2016 - 09:53 PM, said:

 

One question, why does the WZ 132, a same tier, same nation light tank have a BETTER gun than this medium?

 

Because the WZ-132, being a tier 8 scout, gets scout MM and thus won't see matches lower than tier 9. It's effectively a tier 9 vehicle as far as the MatchMaker is concerned. It can even get battletier 11, which is nothing but tier 9 and 10 vehicles with only tier 8 scouts.

 

You can't compare scouts to medium tanks of the same tier where Random Battles are concerned.



Drahau #8 Posted 17 March 2016 - 09:18 AM

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View PostEila_Juutilainen, on 16 March 2016 - 10:23 PM, said:

 

Because the WZ-132, being a tier 8 scout, gets scout MM and thus won't see matches lower than tier 9. It's effectively a tier 9 vehicle as far as the MatchMaker is concerned. It can even get battletier 11, which is nothing but tier 9 and 10 vehicles with only tier 8 scouts.

 

You can't compare scouts to medium tanks of the same tier where Random Battles are concerned.

 

T-34-2 also gets into tier X battles, hence I see no reason why it should get a worse version of the same gun.

Eila_Juutilainen #9 Posted 17 March 2016 - 02:44 PM

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View PostDrahau, on 17 March 2016 - 09:18 AM, said:

 

T-34-2 also gets into tier X battles, hence I see no reason why it should get a worse version of the same gun.

 

...did you even read what I said? T-34-2 gets tier 8, 9 and 10 battles. WZ-132 gets tier 9, 10 and 11 battles, same as a WZ-120 would. Don't treat a tier 8 scout like a tier 8 medium, as it's MM is much harsher and it fights tougher battles. Treat a tier 8 light like a tier 9 medium, because they share the same MM brackets.


Edited by Eila_Juutilainen, 17 March 2016 - 02:45 PM.


tnk_x5000 #10 Posted 17 March 2016 - 06:13 PM

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With other words, if you compare a medium to a light tank, you have to use a light tank, that is one tier lower. For example: compare T-34-2 with WZ-131, because both are treated as tier 8 regular tanks. "T-34-2 also gets into tier X battles", but it also sees regular tier 6 tanks and the Chaffee, ELC and Leopard (because the three are treated as tier 6 tanks), while the WZ-132 does not see any tier 6 regular tanks, thus both tanks play in different conditions.

 

Seeing this topic, I am guessing, that it is better to research the WZ-120 from the WZ-132.

 

Seeing the tank on paper, I would say it needs a buff. I am not sure if it would need a speed or gun buff. As light tank driver, I am always preferring speed and view range, so I would say - give it speed.



Drahau #11 Posted 07 June 2016 - 11:36 AM

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T-34-2 vs T 44 , this is how true russian bias looks like.

T44 100mm LB-1 has better aim time, better accuracy, faster reload and since the buff (due to T54 prot being introduced with the same gun) better penetration.

Need more?

T34-2 is more expensive to buy, has less mobility, worse speed limit (by 1km/h but still). worse HP/t ratio, worse hull armor , even worse turret traverse ;/

The only thing this tank has better is turret armor, traverse and signal range and slightly better cammo values.

 

As an in general opinion of the tank I gave it earlier. This tank is a "grind and sell".



keyres #12 Posted 18 August 2016 - 12:01 PM

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I'm gonna play the devil's advocate here for a moment.

 

View PostHan951753, on 06 November 2015 - 12:47 AM, said:

First: gun, t34-2 can carry a 122 or 100 gun with 175 and 181 penetration and rots of fire for 4 and 7.05. Untill now, it seems stille useable, 100 gun have even 1 point more pen than the top gun on persuing, but remember, this gun only have a 5 degree depression and 122 even worse only 3 deg.  With such a low pen you can do no dmg on enemy's front, even wz 132, a light tank has a better fire pover than t34-2 with a better pen and a way better rots of fire. So if you have no fire power, you need mobility now, thich enables you to atteck from back.

 

T-44 and Pershing make do with similar guns (of course it does not matter much, since IMO tier 8 meds are generally underdogs).

And if you insist on comparing it to the scout, you should choose WZ-131 since 132 is matched (for most purposes) like a tier 9 med.

 

View PostHan951753, on 06 November 2015 - 12:47 AM, said:

third:armor. The armor is really a joke on t34-2. 70/45/44 hull and180/120/60 turret, you can hardly find some one with a worse armor except amx cdc.

 

That's not true, the turret is quite tough. I play T-34-1 (very similar armour layout) quite often, and that turret can bounce a lot of guns, if you play your cards right. Of course, it doesn't mean that you can just sit there and bounce stuff in hull down. It's a med, not a T29.

 

View PostHan951753, on 06 November 2015 - 12:47 AM, said:

fourth: visibility and hide.  The visibility is again typical blind chinese style, 380m.myou can spot nobody. So with such a bad visibility you can only go to the really frount line. So hide is no single use here, which is the best part on t34-2 even though it is not very good as well. 

 

Now, that's just load of crap. T-34-2 has second best camo stats for tier 8 meds (bested only by pancake-416), and 5th best overall. Sure, view range is meh, but that's not the only stat in this area that matters (and it's not horrible anyway).

 

All that being said, it does deserve a major buff, as now it's pretty much the worst performing non premium med of tier 8.

Incidentally, T-34-3 is the worst performing med of tier 8, without any clauses...


Edited by keyres, 19 August 2016 - 01:42 PM.


Pandabird #13 Posted 06 September 2016 - 11:00 PM

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If it had any hull armor whatsoever i could make better use of it.
I can make the tank work somehow, 122mm is a fun gun to use, it's fairly mobile and camo is nice. But it simply doesn't hold up vs soviet tanks. A SP sure, easy peasy, but even a SU-122-44 has me loading gold in order to pen it reliably. If i was able to bounce some stuff i could get way closer and start bullying and circling targets. But as it is now, weak modules, autopen hull, very low rof and unreliable gun handling on the move added with the meh pen makes it super tough to play aggressively

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i am a lover of t8 mediums in general and i have to say this ranks as one of my favourites. its not the most forgiving tank but against low skilled players it chews them up. the turret is really strong if you stay moving and with a little time you learn several spots where you can take this tank hull down even with the 122. 

 

i can see why its not to everyones tastes it can be difficult to use the turret armor with bad gun depression but if you know how to sidescrape and who you can sidescrape against this thing can be a demon. even in t10 matches you can get a surprising amount of bounces from t10s who dont bother to aim and just bounce on your turret.

 

with the 122mm you are a support tank you can support heavies in the brawl by making trading unfavourable and mediums on the flanks from mid range saving your hit points to trade with lower HP enemies towards the end of the match. the 122mm rewards smart use of the different ammo types heat is not IMHO that reliable an aid in penning tough tanks but knowing who its effective against is really useful. the HE can be terrifyingly dangerous (if a little unreliable) to light tanks soft TDs and a surprising number of t8,t9 and even t10 mediums. and with the high alpha damage of the gun many t9 and t10 tanks will remain cautious of trading with you.

 

with the 100mm you play much more like a conventional t8 medium, the gun is effective and reasonably accurate and the HE rounds are very effective against those german TDs. the APCR while having a lower pen than the HEAT on the 122 is actually considerably more effective at damaging tougher opponents and the additional accuracy buff and better dispersion values make it much more effective at conventional mid range medium tank combat.

 

one thing that should not be underestimated is the tanks maneuverability while performing poorly on soft terrain this tank can be very agile if you pick your path well and the low profile and strong turret armor makes face hugging or side hugging taller enemies a really effective tactic. (get to the side of a jap heavie and sit there safe from his gun until you kill him)

 

it is a strong tank but you must remember to pick your fights carefully by using your camo and agility and pick the terrain you fight on well to avoid the negative effects of the bad gun depression dont be affaid to relocate to flatter terrain its better that than expose too much of your tank by cresting a hill 



ThePegasus1979 #15 Posted 11 December 2016 - 11:24 PM

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I like it. Much better than the T-34-1, especially due to the massively better mobility. Not even close to be as sluggish as the T-34-1 was. It is inferior to the T-44, but i think better than e.g. Panther II and TVP VTU.

 

Just played by first four battles with it, got an Ace Tanker:

Ace, 3 kills, 7 spots, 3.5k dmg, 1k assist.

http://wotreplays.com/site/3154559

 

It feels a bit like a pocket version of the T-54, more so than the T-44 does. I will play the T-34-2 until i got a good crew in it, and then i will see if either keep or sell. I wont try the 122mm, as 2 degrees less of gun depression just doesnt do it for me.



ThePegasus1979 #16 Posted 12 December 2016 - 06:42 PM

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Second one within the first 20 battles, seems rather easy to do (the rest were mostly 1st class or 2nd class):

 

Ace, 5 kills, 2.6k dmg, 1.1k assist

http://wotreplays.com/site/3156145

The tank gets quite a lot of XP. Too bad i don't need to research anything, as i grinded the WZ-120 via the light line first. After 20 battles i would say, if at all, the gun could appreciate some handling buff. Rest is fine.






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