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JetCannon3 #21 Posted 20 November 2015 - 04:31 PM

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Alright, there's still one thing that makes me wonder.

 

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 3.2. A clan also gets the same amount of Fame Points for each battle as a member of the clan who participated in the battle. For example, players of clan A got 36 personal Fame Points after a battle. Thus, clan A also gets 36 clan Fame Points.

 

I can see the personal FP formula is nothing like in the previous two big campaigns. Average team xp has been replaced by the ratio (sum of team xp)/(sum of both team's xp), and the classical stage multipliers 1.5, 1.1 and 1.0 have been replaced by 500/7, 700/10 and 1000/15. Of course there are some more minor things, but that's at least roughly how it is. Looks nice to me, probably guarantees similar personal FP income for each battle during the stages.

However, if for every battle played clan FP = personal FP, then doesn't cause this some imbalance in clan FPs as (due to smaller team size) more battles will be played in the first stage than in the upcoming ones? Or doesn't it matter after all because either clan FP income from provinces will be much higher anyway or later stages will have adjusted rules to clan FP?

Maybe it's a silly thought, but discuss anyway.



Nekrodamus #22 Posted 20 November 2015 - 05:21 PM

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Stage one is completely about the number of battles a clan can fight (and win ofc). With the penalty system in mind, a clan with more active players will allways beat an equally skilled clan with notably less active members.

TheSaintJohn #23 Posted 20 November 2015 - 08:19 PM

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View PostDecept1on, on 20 November 2015 - 11:02 AM, said:

If you leave the map you leave all behind, only points when province was captured will stay with clan

 

If we atack 3. province od first day, all win and tomorow morning leave map, becouse we want to atack another 3 at evening, where will be onwer from 1. day. We will get 3 x 400 FP in first day and 3 x 0,75 x (1200 + 400 ) = 3 x 1200 FP in second day. And the day after we leave the map again.

 

So question:

1. Is this calculation correct?

2. After leaving map, will this FPs stay with our clan? (3x400 + 3x1200)? We dont need point from holding / defending province, just from atacking...


Edited by TheSaintJohn, 20 November 2015 - 08:21 PM.


knightM #24 Posted 20 November 2015 - 10:21 PM

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No its not correct

 

Your are owner for 24 hours (actually less), so at max you can get points for one day.

max you could get 300x3

 


Edited by knightM, 20 November 2015 - 10:21 PM.


bondyros #25 Posted 21 November 2015 - 02:57 PM

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View PostTheSaintJohn, on 20 November 2015 - 08:19 PM, said:

 

If we atack 3. province od first day, all win and tomorow morning leave map, becouse we want to atack another 3 at evening, where will be onwer from 1. day. We will get 3 x 400 FP in first day and 3 x 0,75 x (1200 + 400 ) = 3 x 1200 FP in second day. And the day after we leave the map again.

View PostknightM, on 20 November 2015 - 10:21 PM, said:

No its not correct

 

Your are owner for 24 hours (actually less), so at max you can get points for one day.

max you could get 300x3

 

 

"2.9. After leaving the Global Map, a clan gets no Fame Points for holding provinces; the Fame Points accumulated in the clan’s provinces will be deducted from the clan’s rating."

 

 

Wonder... what will happen with those Fame Points later - are they gonna be as "accumulated fame points of unoccupied province" or just vanish?


Edited by bondyros, 21 November 2015 - 04:52 PM.


tobitobbse #26 Posted 22 November 2015 - 07:03 PM

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View PostDecept1on, on 20 November 2015 - 12:02 PM, said:

No, applying for landing/auction when you have province is forbidden for 1st stage.

It will be enabled during second stage.

 

Just to be clear:

 

You can get in every timezone 4 (random number) provinces with auctions on the first day. 

U´ll set the HQ in the 20 CET timezone.

 

So u can just defend in 21 and 22 CET timezone and can just spam divisions in 20 CET.

U will also have in every timezone on the FIRST day for the T6 campaign 7 tokens for landingzones

 

Is that correct?

 

cheers tobi

 

 


Edited by tobitobbse, 22 November 2015 - 07:41 PM.


bondyros #27 Posted 23 November 2015 - 09:47 AM

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On 1'000 provinces we have all 12 maps --- brilliant.

 

And for example we have:

  • 160 Himmels (in winter)
  • 120 Wideparks
  • 120 Winter/Ruinbergs
  • 110 Ensks

 

Ouuuu jeeaaaahh 160 provinces with 7 camping O-I's, next 350 provinces with 5 camping O-I's + 2 spammers.

Over 50% of provinces are the ultradeffensive, small, O-I frendly maps :mellow: (only 4 maps?! 4 maps?! 4?!).

 

Thx WG for this :sceptic:.

 

 

At least I know now how they make such a brilliant map covering --- it's a random generator with fixed numbers of each map to take --- lazy ... lazy ... sooo lazy.

 

Wondering if on VIII stage we will get 60% of provinces in Himmels.

 

 

PS. We've also have province: "N34684808" :trollface: but in link it's correct: https://eu.wargaming...vince/mogadishu


Edited by bondyros, 23 November 2015 - 10:25 AM.


Finnyan #28 Posted 23 November 2015 - 10:00 AM

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View Posttobitobbse, on 22 November 2015 - 07:03 PM, said:

Just to be clear:

 

You can get in every timezone 4 (random number) provinces with auctions on the first day. 

U´ll set the HQ in the 20 CET timezone.

 

So u can just defend in 21 and 22 CET timezone and can just spam divisions in 20 CET.

U will also have in every timezone on the FIRST day for the T6 campaign 7 tokens for landingzones

 

Is that correct?

 

cheers tobi

 

Seems correct indeed.



The_Eagle_Shoty #29 Posted 23 November 2015 - 10:22 AM

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Once a clan wins a bid and lands at 20.00 CET, does the previous made bidding and landing applies get cancelled or not?

Finnyan #30 Posted 23 November 2015 - 10:54 AM

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View PostMickeyD, on 23 November 2015 - 10:22 AM, said:

Once a clan wins a bid and lands at 20.00 CET, does the previous made bidding and landing applies get cancelled or not?

 

If I understand you question correctly, it does not get cancelled.

Previous applications are not cancelled because you you on a landing/bid.



richblaster #31 Posted 23 November 2015 - 12:43 PM

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Thank you for your answers already, but just to clarify again:

 

1.) 7 PER TIMEZONE means I can technically put down 7 landing tournament applications/bids (combined yes? So 5landings 2 bids, 7 bids 0 landings) at 20, 21, 22. that makes maximum 21 landings/bids combined correct?

 

2.) I want to have it clearly again, sorry: First Campaign day: If i put a bid at 20.00 province and win it, my division gets created and I am technically "on the map". all applications for later timezones done before that time are valid, BUT i CANT put more/new applications for 22.00 TImezone if I havent put them down before the bid on the early timezone was won?

 

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CyrillAlex #32 Posted 23 November 2015 - 01:41 PM

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View Posttobitobbse, on 22 November 2015 - 07:03 PM, said:

 

Just to be clear:

 

You can get in every timezone 4 (random number) provinces with auctions on the first day. 

U´ll set the HQ in the 20 CET timezone.

 

So u can just defend in 21 and 22 CET timezone and can just spam divisions in 20 CET.

U will also have in every timezone on the FIRST day for the T6 campaign 7 tokens for landingzones

 

Is that correct?

 

cheers tobi

 

 

 

View PostDecept1on, on 23 November 2015 - 10:00 AM, said:

 

Seems correct indeed.

 

Decept1on, only FIRST day we will have 7 active tournament applications per prime time? Or we'll have it for the whole stage 1 of the campaign?

 

And second question (which is pretty identical to the guy before me): "Number of active tournament applications available during a Prime Time: 7" says in the announcement. Are the auctions considered in this number of 7 active applications? It seems to me that AUCTION and TOURNAMENT are different, but may be I am wrong? Please clear this too.

 



FooWayTheTacoMaster #33 Posted 23 November 2015 - 03:05 PM

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Well, at least you could have said that this stage would be only played on those maps. A huge amount of clans never plays tier 6 and needs to prepare suitable tanks for maps.

LordLukasI #34 Posted 23 November 2015 - 03:10 PM

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3.2. A clan also gets the same amount of Fame Points for each battle as a member of the clan who participated in the battle. For example, players of clan A got 36 personal Fame Points after a battle. Thus, clan A also gets 36 clan Fame Points.

 

But that does not mean the famepoints for holding a province do somewhat get to the personal famepoints of the players. Am I right?


Edited by LordLukasI, 23 November 2015 - 03:32 PM.


FooWayTheTacoMaster #35 Posted 23 November 2015 - 03:37 PM

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Just to be completely sure, 7 applications for the whole day, right?

bondyros #36 Posted 23 November 2015 - 03:39 PM

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View PostLordLukasI, on 23 November 2015 - 03:10 PM, said:

But that does not mean the famepoints for holding a province do somewhat get to the personal famepoints of the players. Am I right?

 

No, their not.

Only fame points from battles are adding to personal ranking

 

 

 

View Postfooway, on 23 November 2015 - 03:37 PM, said:

Just to be completely sure, 7 applications for the whole day, right?

Emmmm:

View PostDecept1on, on 17 November 2015 - 05:44 PM, said:

Active application, doesn't depend on any day/time.


Edited by bondyros, 23 November 2015 - 03:40 PM.


richblaster #37 Posted 23 November 2015 - 03:39 PM

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Dude I asked pretty specifically before, lets wait for his answer xD (if it comes before battles start that is)

FooWayTheTacoMaster #38 Posted 23 November 2015 - 03:48 PM

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Yeah, thanks bondyros, I was almost sure that I have read that but I couldn't find it.

Finnyan #39 Posted 23 November 2015 - 04:07 PM

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View Postrichblaster, on 23 November 2015 - 12:43 PM, said:

Thank you for your answers already, but just to clarify again:

 

1.) 7 PER TIMEZONE means I can technically put down 7 landing tournament applications/bids (combined yes? So 5landings 2 bids, 7 bids 0 landings) at 20, 21, 22. that makes maximum 21 landings/bids combined correct?

2.) I want to have it clearly again, sorry: First Campaign day: If i put a bid at 20.00 province and win it, my division gets created and I am technically "on the map". all applications for later timezones done before that time are valid, BUT i CANT put more/new applications for 22.00 TImezone if I havent put them down before the bid on the early timezone was won?

 

cheers

View PostCyrillAlex, on 23 November 2015 - 01:41 PM, said:

Decept1on, only FIRST day we will have 7 active tournament applications per prime time? Or we'll have it for the whole stage 1 of the campaign?

And second question (which is pretty identical to the guy before me): "Number of active tournament applications available during a Prime Time: 7" says in the announcement. Are the auctions considered in this number of 7 active applications? It seems to me that AUCTION and TOURNAMENT are different, but may be I am wrong? Please clear this too.

View Postfooway, on 23 November 2015 - 03:37 PM, said:

Just to be completely sure, 7 applications for the whole day, right?

 

You have 7 active applications available, this doesn't count bids and yes it doesn't depend on time/day. This means you could apply to 7 different landings in the 20 Prime Time for example, then after 20 you'll have 7 divisions active.

This rule will be active for the whole stage AFAIK.



chakmarin #40 Posted 23 November 2015 - 04:17 PM

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man, can we:

 

7 teams 20h PRIMETIME

7 teams 21h PRIMETIME

7 teams 22h PRIMETIME

 

thats teh question






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