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General_McMuschi #1 Posted 01 December 2015 - 12:55 PM

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Hi!

 

Today on sale is T-28E F-30 for one day only and price is imo quite fair - 10 Euro + you get garage slot and 1 000 gold.

 

I bought it after observing stats and few youtube reviews of it, and to be honest didn't expect much from it at all. The tank is slow and moves more like a heavy, armor is much better than normal paper thin armor on T-28 but still meh, turns quite bad etc... overall - mobility not very good and armor good in tier 4 battles. Doesn't have premium mm of course.

 

Anyway, what's good about the tank is the gun, it's actually the 85mm gun that KV-1 has with slightly worse aiming time and slightly better accuracy... That is a good gun but unlike T-28E, KV-1 can afford to aim long and take hits because it has armor and HP... this tank, not really..

 

So, the main issue about the tank is 3 sec long aiming time and mobility. But I just had my first game in it and it seems very OP when top tier. Much more OP than even a Matilda! I bounced 3 out of 4 shots, hit and penetrated every shot I fired, got High caliber with ease, 40 000 credits earned for the t4 game - seems very nice !

 

Anyway, interesting thing about the tank is there are 6 crew slots so if you're going up the Soviet medium tank line - great! I can train both T-34 and T-34-85 or my KV-13 crews in this at same time.

 

Also, the penetration is quite okay, premium pen is great, price of shells is okay imo.

 

Until now, I trained my Russian MT crews in Matilda IV and this tank is a god compared to Matilda IV which struggles to pen and has much worse gun.

 

So I think T-28E F-30 is worth the money IF you're going up the medium tank line. Much better choice than Matilda IV, much cheaper that T-54 prototype (also mid tier battles are easier to fight in to earn xp).

 

 

 

 

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Cobra6 #2 Posted 01 December 2015 - 01:06 PM

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To be honest, this tank is absolutely not the worst deal you can get for roughly 10 EUR, however the principle on which it is based is rotten and short sighted.

 

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Hagbardur [CRY] showing us how to play this brand new Soviet premium tank, the T38E with F-30.

 

This video also contains my personal views and opinions on this obvious Cashcow Tactic where Wargaming removes a good gun from a nice regular tank just to make it a premium and get more money out of it, which in my opinion is a short sighted and bad way to conduct business for the customers.

 

World of Tanks // T28E with F-30 (Cashcow Tactic) by Hagbardur [CRY]


Edited by Cobra6, 01 December 2015 - 01:08 PM.


Fibonachi #3 Posted 01 December 2015 - 02:47 PM

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The armor is also pretty much in line with tierIV heavies and the gun is better than on some tierIV TDs. Frankly this is one of the best tanks in the December bundles. 

Sams_Baneblade #4 Posted 01 December 2015 - 03:14 PM

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Any recommendations for its equipment? :)

 

(about armor: its not good, but at least you won't get killed by Pz1C ^^ )



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View PostSams_Baneblade, on 01 December 2015 - 03:14 PM, said:

Any recommendations for its equipment? :)

 

(about armor: its not good, but at least you won't get killed by Pz1C ^^ )

 

There are 4 things that suits the tank, but you can pick only 3:

-rammer (obvious)

-gun laying drive (this thing screams bad aim time)

-ventilation (improves accuracy, aimtime, reload, viewrange... but only a bit)

-coated optics (base view range is really nice, so with skilled crew this tank can be competitive even in high tier games with)

 

I guess it all comes down to coated optics vs vents. Hard decision.



General_McMuschi #6 Posted 01 December 2015 - 03:35 PM

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sure, you MUST put gun laying drive but even with it the aiming time will still be bad.

My next recommendation is vents. It improves everything, including the terrible aiming time.

 

The third slot - really your choice - binoculars or optics, maybe toolbox or wet ammo rack - I have had so far problems with being ammo racked and having my gun knocked out. Rammer is not a bad idea but I'll have to see if this thing is ammo rack on tracks as it seems for now.

 

It's a lot of credits to spend on a t4 tank but why not, especially if there's another equipment 50% discount soon or if you have spare equipment.


Edited by General_McPicka, 01 December 2015 - 03:42 PM.


General_McMuschi #7 Posted 01 December 2015 - 03:42 PM

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View PostIRSanchez, on 01 December 2015 - 03:34 PM, said:

 

There are 4 things that suits the tank, but you can pick only 3:

-rammer (obvious)

-gun laying drive (this thing screams bad aim time)

-ventilation (improves accuracy, aimtime, reload, viewrange... but only a bit)

-coated optics (base view range is really nice, so with skilled crew this tank can be competitive even in high tier games with)

 

I guess it all comes down to coated optics vs vents. Hard decision.

 

Vents are better because tank is slowish so many times others will be spotting for you.

 

I don't know why but playing this tank sort of reminds me of playing my KV1S with derp gun - I don't snipe, I come to close fights, don't rely on my armor to bounce much, I find a cover, peek a boom and go back to cover. And on my KV1S I have rammer, vents and GLD - this thing doesn't really need rammer as badly as KV1S but it still needs any help it can get to get down the aiming time.



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View PostFibonachi, on 01 December 2015 - 02:47 PM, said:

The armor is also pretty much in line with tierIV heavies and the gun is better than on some tierIV TDs. Frankly this is one of the best tanks in the December bundles. 

 

:D the time has finally come when T-28 can go numnumnumnumnumnum on Matilda! :trollface:

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View PostIRSanchez, on 01 December 2015 - 03:34 PM, said:

 

There are 4 things that suits the tank, but you can pick only 3:

-rammer (obvious)

-gun laying drive (this thing screams bad aim time)

-ventilation (improves accuracy, aimtime, reload, viewrange... but only a bit)

-coated optics (base view range is really nice, so with skilled crew this tank can be competitive even in high tier games with)

 

I guess it all comes down to coated optics vs vents. Hard decision.

like almost all low tiers is binos/rammer/egld.

 

why? because in these tiers no one has maxed viewrange and you can outspot everyone, also neither your gun is mobile nor you have armor to brawl even a t3.


Edited by joyuesp, 01 December 2015 - 04:07 PM.


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After 10 games this tank looks like a lot of fun. Only 2 or 3 games with Tier 6 but with this gun you are far from helpless XP pinata. Stay in second line and you can pen most of T6 easily.

 

In Tier 4 you can absolutely dominate. Everyone expects to pen you easily and most of the players do not aim. This will result in quite large amount of dings and give you time to aim. I guess this will change when people realize you have better armor but for now it works great.

 

Speed is bad but when you get there you can obliterate everything with that gun. Accuracy is OK (much better than I expected) but I had few unbelievable misses. Generally, you compensate misses with almost 100% pen ratio when you hit.  

 

Play slow, do not rush, wait for enemy and let your gun do the rest.



Eila_Juutilainen #11 Posted 02 December 2015 - 09:27 AM

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View PostCobra6, on 01 December 2015 - 01:06 PM, said:

To be honest, this tank is absolutely not the worst deal you can get for roughly 10 EUR, however the principle on which it is based is rotten and short sighted.

 

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Hagbardur [CRY] showing us how to play this brand new Soviet premium tank, the T38E with F-30.

 

This video also contains my personal views and opinions on this obvious Cashcow Tactic where Wargaming removes a good gun from a nice regular tank just to make it a premium and get more money out of it, which in my opinion is a short sighted and bad way to conduct business for the customers.

 

This 'tactic' has only be 'done' twice now, to my knowledge. Panzer 4 Schmallturm and this T-28E. Both cases we're talking about situations where the original tank was basically grossly overpowered and needed a rebalance, and the premium twin is also rebalanced (Schmallturm was made slower and moved up a tier, T-28E simply a lot slower) so they don't have much resemblance to the old overpowered vehicle anymore. I really don't see a problem here and actually think it's a good thing that people can still have the 'old' tank but without it being too powerfull, for variety's sake.

 

Hell, they should make a T-34-100 premium tank at tier 7, I've been wondering for years why they didn't already do that. Would have been much better than T-44-85 which ended up in development limbo.


Edited by Eila_Juutilainen, 02 December 2015 - 09:28 AM.


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View PostEila_Juutilainen, on 02 December 2015 - 09:27 AM, said:

Hell, they should make a T-34-100 premium tank at tier 7, I've been wondering for years why they didn't already do that. Would have been much better than T-44-85 which ended up in development limbo.

isn't there a T-44-100 in the works as a prem?



General_McMuschi #13 Posted 02 December 2015 - 11:19 AM

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View PostEila_Juutilainen, on 02 December 2015 - 09:27 AM, said:

Hell, they should make a T-34-100 premium tank at tier 7, I've been wondering for years why they didn't already do that. Would have been much better than T-44-85 which ended up in development limbo.

 

They did but it's Czech and not premium:  http://ritastatusrep...ta-t-34100.html

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I am kinda itching to make a full review of the tank, but first I will have to play more with it.

 

I was pleasantly surprised to see that the T-28E F-30 is not a premium copy of an existing tank in the same tier. Only the form is the same as the regular T-28, but the gameplay is completely different. The premium T-28 reminds me of the IS/IS-2 with a gun, that actually penetrates reliably, in exchange for some armor.

 

The tank is anything but another bad tier 4 tank. Limited top speed and mobility with medium-tank power to weight ratio, serviceable armor with a large profile and an OP gun as long as it hits anything. You can say it is a turreted alpha monster TD meant for close to medium range combat, because 160 alpha damage and 120 mm penetration is one of the highest in the tier, but the accuracy and aim time cause problems. The tank will have to move along with the heavies and shoot from behind them. View range is rather wide, so it can give additional opportunities. Also, the tank has 380 HP, allowing it to trade a shot or two. When you are top tier, you can play it as a regular IS or KV-85. If you are mid-tier or bottom tier, play support brawler. Also, try not to get angry when they hit you, the tank is hard to miss if being shot. The tank feels balanced so far, which is a rare sight in tier 4.

 

My build is a brawler build: Vents, EGLD and Rammer. Thus I play brawler and support brawler.

 

I would say the package was worth the 10 euros. If they make the T-28E F-30 available in the premium shop again or, hopefully, add it in the in-game shop, I would recommend you to pick it up if you need a nice cheap school tank for soviet medium tank crews.



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This tank is made of the purest Stalinium mined from the deepest parts of the Urals. Almost as glorious as the SU-76I.

 

Bizzarely, according to differences in module weight (which is arbitrary anyway but please just humour me), when the M-17L engine is running at 1445RPM instead of 1400RPM it sheds about 60kg of weight and gains a full 50 horsepower. Amazing!



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View Posttnk_x5000, on 02 December 2015 - 01:23 PM, said:

 

 

I would say the package was worth the 10 euros. If they make the T-28E F-30 available in the premium shop again or, hopefully, add it in the in-game shop, I would recommend you to pick it up if you need a nice cheap school tank for soviet medium tank crews.

 

View PostStringWitch, on 02 December 2015 - 06:15 PM, said:

This tank is made of the purest Stalinium mined from the deepest parts of the Urals. Almost as glorious as the SU-76I.


 

hell yeah! and no, Wargaming do not bring the tank back on sale! Because us who managed to get it wanna seal club some more! :trollface: Matilda is past, this is my new baby for relaxing and fun.



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This tank litterally prints Large Caliber medals.

Got 3 Large Caliber and 1 confederate in 7 games, despite having 'tard teams. (43%wr -_- )

Edited by Sams_Baneblade, 02 December 2015 - 08:38 PM.


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View Postjoyuesp, on 01 December 2015 - 04:06 PM, said:

like almost all low tiers is binos/rammer/egld.

 

why? because in these tiers no one has maxed viewrange and you can outspot everyone, also neither your gun is mobile nor you have armor to brawl even a t3.

 

Exactly my layout.

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View PostSams_Baneblade, on 02 December 2015 - 06:42 PM, said:

This tank litterally prints Large Caliber medals.

Got 3 Large Caliber and 1 confederate in 7 games, despite having 'tard teams. (43%wr -_- )

 

No kidding, don't matter if you are in a tier 4 game or 6. And they said the SU-76I was to broken to keep around. That's a kitten compared to this.

 

http://wotreplays.com/site/2313241

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View PostBalc0ra, on 03 December 2015 - 10:18 PM, said:

 

No kidding, don't matter if you are in a tier 4 game or 6. And they said the SU-76I was to broken to keep around. That's a kitten compared to this.

 

http://wotreplays.com/site/2313241

 

What the hell man? :DD Good job!





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