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Baldrickk #1 Posted 03 December 2015 - 08:47 AM

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A while ago, Rita stated that WG were thinking of buffing the T49 as it was under performing.

 

Anyone heard anything further?

 

How would you buff it? I can think of:

 

  • Aim time
  • Reload time
  • Dispersion on turret movement
  • std HE pen buff, (10 less than KV-2)
  • HEAT buff (soviet 100mm guns (obj410 for example) get 330 pen with HEAT, granted, it is their premium round
  • Premium HE shell replaced with HESH
  • Accuracy buff when fully aimed
  • Shell velocity

Any more ideas?

 

What would be your preference?



mavihortlak #2 Posted 03 December 2015 - 08:52 AM

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it may suprise you but i prefer camo or view range buff. they are unlikely so aim time or accuracy.

Laatikkomafia #3 Posted 03 December 2015 - 10:27 AM

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Buffing the camo value is not enough to bring the WR up. Soft stat buffs are usually good for the above average players, whereas hard stat buffs (ROF, aiming time, accuracy) benefit the whole playerbase.

I'd buff the aiming time or dispersion on turret rotation slightly, as now it takes around 6 seconds to aim. :P.

Edited by Laatikkomafia, 03 December 2015 - 10:31 AM.


Candarian #4 Posted 03 December 2015 - 07:04 PM

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mobility and accuracy buff

 


Edited by Candarian, 03 December 2015 - 07:05 PM.


clocky #5 Posted 03 December 2015 - 07:14 PM

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LOL.

 

That "under-performing" thing can one shot most tier 7 scouts. Must "buff"  scouts that are already op in the hand of good players because there aren't enough T49's around.

 

T-49  49.64 %
Spahpanzer - 50.53 %
AMX 13 90 - 49.47 %
T-54 ltwt. - 50.92 %
 WZ-132 - 49.24 %

 

Doesn't look like underperforming to me. Or did they intend to make it OP so suckers grind for it and doesn't have 51% WR? Is anyone surprised that the Russian crap has the highest WR? Soviet lovers cunts these Warrigging [edited] :)


Edited by clocky, 03 December 2015 - 07:15 PM.


IRSanchez #6 Posted 07 December 2015 - 02:53 PM

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I dunno really. Big alpha tanks are retarded already, and this can one shot other LTs.

 

Having that in mind, some buffs would not breat the tank. I would accept if the thing remained derpy as fook on the move (just as it is now), but got buffed a bit when sniping stalking the prey/ambushing. So my proposition:

 

1. Dispersion on turret rotation BUFF - 25%-33%. It's just ridiculous now that you can't move the turret without loosing accuracy, for no real reason. Just let it slowly rotate the turret, that's all.

2. Aim time BUFF -10%-15%. It's just too high. 0,5 sec less aiming, after stopping from full speed, surely won't break the tank.

3. Shell velocity BUFF by 20-25% -  it won't make it OP, but make it little bit better.

4. Accuracy BUFF is a bit risky, as it affects everything. Maybe by 0.01 or 0.02.

 


Edited by IRSanchez, 07 December 2015 - 02:57 PM.


Kupsztas #7 Posted 07 December 2015 - 10:52 PM

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buffing pen of HEAT would be dumb - the point of the derpy guns is that they can do giant amount of damage, but only to weakly armored vehicles. you may choose to shoot HE on harder enemies to annoy them with 200-300 damage "lol i don't need to pen you to take some of your health" hit. 

I think that accuracy loss due to turret rotation is a good thing to buff - it won't change much about the derpiness of accuracy on the move (which is intended and imo should stay as it is), but when you're aiming a moving tank and the circle grows and grows... its bad.

also, some kind of camo bonus would be good - half of t8 meds have better camo, ob.416 has so good camo, that even while moving it's not much worse than t49s. playing the t49 I often said that "it shines like dogs balls", as we say in Poland. 


Edited by Kupsztas, 07 December 2015 - 11:01 PM.


fisco77 #8 Posted 09 December 2015 - 12:10 PM

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I'd say dispersion on turret traverse, or aimtime. Maybe mobility, but i got so used to it that my M41 with bia and vents feels too mobile now, i can't drive it without bumping into walls and teammates :)

Baldrickk #9 Posted 09 December 2015 - 06:17 PM

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View PostKupsztas, on 07 December 2015 - 10:52 PM, said:

buffing pen of HEAT would be dumb - the point of the derpy guns is that they can do giant amount of damage, but only to weakly armored vehicles. you may choose to shoot HE on harder enemies to annoy them with 200-300 damage "lol i don't need to pen you to take some of your health" hit. 

I think that accuracy loss due to turret rotation is a good thing to buff - it won't change much about the derpiness of accuracy on the move (which is intended and imo should stay as it is), but when you're aiming a moving tank and the circle grows and grows... its bad.

also, some kind of camo bonus would be good - half of t8 meds have better camo, ob.416 has so good camo, that even while moving it's not much worse than t49s. playing the t49 I often said that "it shines like dogs balls", as we say in Poland. 

So the pen of a tier 5 TD (or less by nearly 25% in the case of the toaster) is perfectly fine as the solo penetrating round type on a tank that mostly meets tier X?

 

SU-152 with same calibre of HEAT has 250mm of pen.  That's 2/3 more on a tank with matchmaking 2 tiers lower, premium shell or not.

Heck, its HE round has more pen too.

Oh and a 6 second faster reload

And 0.1 more accurate

Less dispersion

0.2s faster aim time...



Akathis #10 Posted 26 December 2015 - 10:49 PM

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My 2 cents after having played it some battles yesterday:

 

-FFS, buff the damn aiming time and aiming dispersion!! This tank only meet tier 9-10 tanks, it doen't NEED gun stats even more awful than those of the cruiser 2 derp.

-FFS, buff the freaking agility: this is a light tank that takes 20 secs to reload, it needs to be able to get out of troubles while reloading. 

 

It is not that difficult to properly balance this tank... but I am afraid WG doesn't want a tier 8 scout to be able to ignore tier 10 armor.



anonym_kL7qtn3e52MB #11 Posted 28 December 2015 - 01:45 PM

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I wouldn't mind something which improves aiming or accuracy, personally.

 

I predict WG will do a mobility buff instead though.

Better traverse on soft and medium ground.

 

...Because the other options make actual sense.

 

 

 



Hyina #12 Posted 30 December 2015 - 09:32 PM

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View PostBaldrickk, on 09 December 2015 - 06:17 PM, said:

So the pen of a tier 5 TD (or less by nearly 25% in the case of the toaster) is perfectly fine as the solo penetrating round type on a tank that mostly meets tier X?

 

SU-152 with same calibre of HEAT has 250mm of pen.  That's 2/3 more on a tank with matchmaking 2 tiers lower, premium shell or not.

Heck, its HE round has more pen too.

Oh and a 6 second faster reload

And 0.1 more accurate

Less dispersion

0.2s faster aim time...

 

Fine, give the SU a fully traversable turret, smaller profile, 60km/h top speed and pretty good camo and in no time you'll come back crying saying it's too OP.

Edited by Hyina, 30 December 2015 - 09:32 PM.


obluda100 #13 Posted 30 December 2015 - 09:38 PM

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Why would you buff T49 ever? Its decent in the way it is now. Maybe the only change i would did is increasing heat penetration up to 190-210 so you can actually do something againist Jpz/Maus/E100.

For information im not t49 hater etc, got about 300 battles and 3 marks



Baldrickk #14 Posted 31 December 2015 - 12:44 PM

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View PostHyina, on 30 December 2015 - 09:32 PM, said:

 

Fine, give the SU a fully traversable turret, smaller profile, 60km/h top speed and pretty good camo and in no time you'll come back crying saying it's too OP.

Bump it up two tiers and it would be fine.

 

Anyhow, was playing devil's advocate, HEAT buffs are certainly something that could happen.



tsounts #15 Posted 01 January 2016 - 09:31 AM

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I'd like a dispersion buff or aim time too and not just on paper.

 

It's funny that on paper T57 heavy has a much smaller aim time than ISU152 and in reality ISU aims faster, GG WG....



Tankiac #16 Posted 03 January 2016 - 12:05 AM

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Just improve the turret traverse dispersion, nothing else needed. It's really not as underpowered as you think. 150mm heat pen is fine, and if you can't pen just spam HE like me and do like 300 dmg to E100's, kill their driver, damage the gun, and make them report you.

 

The tank is a true tear harvester.


Edited by Tankiac, 08 March 2016 - 04:06 PM.


masterstalker #17 Posted 03 January 2016 - 12:32 AM

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Just buff the gun softstats while on the move and when stationary,so it reflects the real aimtime that is shown in the garage,instead of 8 seconds of aiming after stoping the tank.

Obsessive_Compulsive #18 Posted 03 January 2016 - 12:46 AM

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Minor disperion and aim time buffs along with minor standard HE penetration buff and the addition of HESH. sold it a long time ago and never felt like buying it back...

 

Good idea Balders.:medal:

 

needs poll!?


Edited by Conor_Notorious_McGregor, 03 January 2016 - 12:47 AM.


AlexdJ94 #19 Posted 03 January 2016 - 12:59 AM

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View PostBaldrickk, on 09 December 2015 - 06:17 PM, said:

So the pen of a tier 5 TD (or less by nearly 25% in the case of the toaster) is perfectly fine as the solo penetrating round type on a tank that mostly meets tier X?

 

SU-152 with same calibre of HEAT has 250mm of pen.  That's 2/3 more on a tank with matchmaking 2 tiers lower, premium shell or not.

Heck, its HE round has more pen too.

Oh and a 6 second faster reload

And 0.1 more accurate

Less dispersion

0.2s faster aim time...

 

Yeah might aswell add the BL-10 to the T49 to make it a little more competive or not?

Are you really comparing the SU-152 to the T49? REALLY?? Are you serious

 



Baldrickk #20 Posted 03 January 2016 - 11:18 AM

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View PostAlexdJ94, on 03 January 2016 - 12:59 AM, said:

 

Yeah might aswell add the BL-10 to the T49 to make it a little more competive or not?

Are you really comparing the SU-152 to the T49? REALLY?? Are you serious

 

Basically the same gun. Why not?






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