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Coldspell #21 Posted 03 January 2016 - 02:21 PM

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T49 is such a piece of trash with the top gun, they should add an autloader version of the stock gun I would take that hands down any day over the trashy derp gun.

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View PostBaldrickk, on 03 January 2016 - 11:18 AM, said:

Basically the same gun. Why not?

 

Did actually just say that.

AlexdJ94 #23 Posted 04 January 2016 - 05:55 PM

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View PostBaldrickk, on 31 December 2015 - 12:44 PM, said:

Bump it up two tiers and it would be fine.

 

Anyhow, was playing devil's advocate, HEAT buffs are certainly something that could happen.

 

Currently playing the SU-152, there are indeed some monster games between them. But most time I have a really hard time competing to any other tier 7's. 

 

View PostBaldrickk, on 03 January 2016 - 11:18 AM, said:

Basically the same gun. Why not?

 

Turret, Traverse, top speed, acceleration, camo, profile and probably another 10 soft stats. That's why.


Baldrickk #24 Posted 05 January 2016 - 01:36 AM

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View PostAlexdJ94, on 04 January 2016 - 05:55 PM, said:

 

Currently playing the SU-152, there are indeed some monster games between them. But most time I have a really hard time competing to any other tier 7's. 

 

 

Turret, Traverse, top speed, acceleration, camo, profile and probably another 10 soft stats. That's why.

Hard time with SU?

Still one tank short of it myself but I've friends who have it, all agree that it is really nice - especially with that HEAT round.

 

Also, I wasn't comparing the tanks, just the guns.



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I actually enjoyed SU152 very much with the derp gun and with minimal to zero use of HEAT rounds, it was very effective and taking out Jagdpanthers with one shot.  

Just keep your distances from enemy, if spotted you are made of paper like its big brother ISU.



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View PostBaldrickk, on 05 January 2016 - 01:36 AM, said:

Hard time with SU?

Still one tank short of it myself but I've friends who have it, all agree that it is really nice - especially with that HEAT round.

 

Also, I wasn't comparing the tanks, just the guns.

 

That's why you can't compare their guns. Their miles apart. 

Edited by AlexdJ94, 05 January 2016 - 06:09 PM.


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I think a kv2 gun that can go 72kph on a light tank chasis should have terrible handling

 

but thats just me!



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View PostWeaponise, on 05 January 2016 - 06:15 PM, said:

I think a kv2 gun that can go 72kph on a light tank chasis should have terrible handling

 

but thats just me!

 

Agree!

Baldrickk #29 Posted 05 January 2016 - 07:51 PM

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View PostAlexdJ94, on 05 January 2016 - 06:09 PM, said:

 

That's why you can't compare their guns. Their miles apart. 

But their guns are both 152mm derps.

Sure, the tanks are different, but the guns are comparable.



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View PostWeaponise, on 05 January 2016 - 06:15 PM, said:

I think a kv2 gun that can go 72kph on a light tank chasis should have terrible handling

 

but thats just me!

Problem is that the handling is actually worse on the +3mm tank than on the KV-2, the standard HE rounds have less penetration on the T49 than the KV too.



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View PostBaldrickk, on 05 January 2016 - 07:51 PM, said:

But their guns are both 152mm derps.

 

Man , now srsly

Are you saying this BS as an argument?

It is like when you say that your pen doesnt shoot bullets when its 9mm long in diametr (If you dont know just google 9mm)

 

PS: Sorry to all James Bonds, Delta and SAS squads etc, who actually shoot from pen :trollface:



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View Postobluda100, on 05 January 2016 - 08:20 PM, said:

 

Man , now srsly

Are you saying this BS as an argument?

It is like when you say that your pen doesnt shoot bullets when its 9mm long in diametr (If you dont know just google 9mm)

 

PS: Sorry to all James Bonds, Delta and SAS squads etc, who actually shoot from pen :trollface:

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Of course my pen doesn't fire bullets.

You're comparing apples to oranges. Actually, that's too close.

 

A more realistic analogy would be comparing two different 9mm pistols of differing make.



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View PostBaldrickk, on 03 December 2015 - 09:47 AM, said:

A while ago, Rita stated that WG were thinking of buffing the T49 as it was under performing.

 

Anyone heard anything further?

 

How would you buff it? I can think of:

 

  • Aim time
  • Reload time
  • Dispersion on turret movement
  • std HE pen buff, (10 less than KV-2)
  • HEAT buff (soviet 100mm guns (obj410 for example) get 330 pen with HEAT, granted, it is their premium round
  • Premium HE shell replaced with HESH
  • Accuracy buff when fully aimed
  • Shell velocity

Any more ideas?

 

What would be your preference?

 

200mm of frontal armor will do. Tank is awesome for randoms, great fun tank as it is. The RNG gun makes it even more fun as it has some great moments but has the 5m misses. It is not good for SH's or CW as many other tanks out there. For me, its a tank you take to relax. The only thing bad about this tank for me is that people see a light tank and they think it can spot. Its the worse spotter among the tier 8 light tanks. If they buff it they will ruin it imo as the server will flood from these and I think we have enough IS3s already

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View PostBaldrickk, on 03 January 2016 - 11:18 AM, said:

Basically the same gun. Why not?

 

They're not the same gun, the SU 152, ML-20 I think it's called, was a superiour gun, more accurate, longer range, compared to the gun/launcher on the T49 which was troublesome, and ideally would have been firing Missiles instead of conventional ammo at tanks, oh yeah it also fired 2 rounds a minute. Also the T49 never really should have gotten that sheridan turret, and that gun, they should have just given it a 90mm autoloader and be done with it, but whatever.

So don't call it the same gun, the only real thing that was similar was the caliber.

 

 



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I don't know if the T49 needs a buff or not. But I do know that I love the KV-2's 152mm DERP and I love light tanks.  The idea of the 2 married together....:great:

 

I'm now only 10k away from this tank and I cannot wait to get it!

 

Edit - P.S. I have no intention of playing this as a scout - I fully intend to play it exactly as I play my KV-2, only with the ability to relocate at high speed.


Edited by krazypenguin, 06 January 2016 - 02:09 PM.


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To make this tank viable the following changes are needed for the 152mm gun:

 

-Dispersion on the move, 1/2 of what it is now.

-Dispersion on turret rotation, 1/3 of what it is now.

-Aimtime, 3s-4s max.

 

This is a light tank and with a light tank you can't afford to sit still for 7-8s to aim your shots, it needs to hit and it needs to hit fast.

 

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Edited by Cobra6, 06 January 2016 - 12:19 PM.


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View Postkrazypenguin, on 06 January 2016 - 11:03 AM, said:

I don't know if the T49 needs a buff or not. But I do know that I love the KV-2's 1522mm DERP and I love light tanks.  The idea of the 2 married together....:great:

 

I'm now only 10k away from this tank and I cannot wait to get it!

 

Edit - P.S. I have no intention of playing this as a scout - I fully intend to play it exactly as I play my KV-2, only with the ability to relocate at high speed.

 

Yup, that's the most fun way to play it, I just go make love with the heavies, put some derp shots into them that they stand no chance of bouncing and run away if the flank falls. Screw playing as a lame scout tank in a bush! Amen to T49 becoming a heavy tank!

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View PostCobra6, on 06 January 2016 - 12:18 PM, said:

To make this tank viable the following changes are needed for the 152mm gun:

 

-Dispersion on the move, 1/2 of what it is now.

-Dispersion on turret rotation, 1/3 of what it is now.

-Aimtime, 3s-4s max.

 

This is a light tank and with a light tank you can't afford to sit still for 7-8s to aim your shots, it needs to hit and it needs to hit fast.

 

Cobra 6

 

Yeah sure, let it aim fast, with a 90mm canon, not with a 152mm canon with 900 potential dmg

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View Postkrazypenguin, on 06 January 2016 - 11:03 AM, said:

I don't know if the T49 needs a buff or not. But I do know that I love the KV-2's 152mm DERP and I love light tanks.  The idea of the 2 married together....:great:

 

I'm now only 10k away from this tank and I cannot wait to get it!

 

Edit - P.S. I have no intention of playing this as a scout - I fully intend to play it exactly as I play my KV-2, only with the ability to relocate at high speed.

 

u want a married tank from the tier 6 kv2 and the tier 6 scout in tier 9+ battles?

 

acceleration of the kv2

size of the kv2

viewrange somewhere between a kv2 and a scout

a nerfed tier 6 kv2 gun in tier 9+

scout armor

and the accuracy of a blind men?

 

be happy with the t49 then



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View PostCandarian, on 11 January 2016 - 03:28 AM, said:

 

u want a married tank from the tier 6 kv2 and the tier 6 scout in tier 9+ battles?

 

acceleration of the kv2

size of the kv2

viewrange somewhere between a kv2 and a scout

a nerfed tier 6 kv2 gun in tier 9+

scout armor

and the accuracy of a blind men?

 

be happy with the t49 then

So you are saying, that a tank doesn't need a buff because it could have been worse? Wow. 113 doesn't need a buff cuz it could have just been a chinese MS-1 at tier 10. Yeah.






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