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[knightM]

These rules are absolutely terrible for multiple reasons. After Safari I had hopes how future events will be fun and interesting and then this.

Easily the worst rule set of the campaign and my rating of the whole campaign just plummeted somewhere between  1st and 2nd campaign. (3rd campaign best, 1st second, 2nd campaign last).

 

Let's get into more detail:

 

72 landing provinces and no landings everywhere on first day

 

Do you check how crowded landings are now in stage 2 with 125 landings on map? Half of the 22 hour landings have 64 applicants, most above 40.  So with 72 landings the wast majority of all clans will never really be able to land. This will just lead to a lot of frustration of not even being able toplay. Also since points for battles were same in all stages then for individual ranking stage 1 and 2 will actually matter much more than the last stage.

 

Influence

 

Again....

Due to the few landings tens of thousands of influence will be spend just to get on the map the first day. Small and mediocre clans will go for desperate 10k bids for provinces just to have a chance for some points.

What's even worse and also applies for top clans is that if you pick a task starting with influence you never know who else got same task and how much they bid.... so how much you bid to be sure? 10k? 50k? 100k? (50k is 500 won tier 10 skirmishes, at average battle time of 6 mins that makes some 50 HOURS of activity for 15 ppl.... that's hardcore farmwars)

 

 Point gain vs other stages 

 

This has often been a complain in previous stages that one of them gave many more points than others, yes people usually want higher tiers to give a bit more but this is crazy. It's not really likely that anyone will finish 10 day tasks or even 8 day ones, but since you can do multiple tasks at once I think some 500k per stage in total will be made by best clans. That's just crazy.

 

Loosing all points on loosing the next task

 

The one thing people complained about during safari is just loosing that one battle set you back too much.... but it only stopped the task. Now if you don't "chicken out" you loose completely all points.  That's completely contrary to the feedback clans gave.

 

And one small detail:

2.3.2. If a clan hinders an enemy clan (or several clans) from completing its clan task, by capturing the enemy’s target province, the clan earns 10% of the bonus that would have been earned by the enemy clan for completing its task.The clan does not earn the bonus, if the captured province is also this clan’s target province.

 

 So clan A has his second target province same as 10th target province of clan B. Clan A wins the fight.. and doesn't get 10% of 500k (50k) but just 5k... cause you know... it didn't actually achieve anything special.

 

I do not see any logical explanation for this. Only one I can think of is that someone was too lazy to program it.

 

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Seriously who was working on the rules of this campaign? Same Project leader as the one that worked on the emblem and inscription bonuses?

 

 

Edited by knightM, 07 December 2015 - 05:43 PM.

[Finnyan]

mightyjosHi, on 07 December 2015 - 04:52 PM, said:

Following Situation:

 

Clans A, B, C have a shitton of influence beacuse they are active and good

Clans A, B, C get the same province (Auction)

Clans A, B, C place their bids:

A: 15.000

B: 20.000

C: 50.000

Obviously Clan C wins the Auction and gets the province. Did A and B just fail their missions because they did not spam enough influence or will their task be the same for the next day

 

Yes they will fail because they cannot finish the mission.

But then, you should be able to attack by land (with a division) since it will be neighboring provinces and not require auction bids, unless it's for the first day.

 

mightyjosHi, on 07 December 2015 - 04:53 PM, said:

Will Stage 3 get prolonged or do we just play 9 days because of a stupid patch?

richblaster, on 07 December 2015 - 04:49 PM, said:

so there will be ONE WHOLE DAY of not playing in Stage 10, the date of which is yet to be confirmed, yes? cuz GM freeze does not necessarily mean a whole day of CW break, right? 

 

It's 10 days including the day off for WoT patch if you count all days from 10 to 20 included.

 

Also, 2.2.2 is not correct, here's the correct version (will be fixed in announcement):

2.2.2. A target province for the upcoming clan task is selected among the neighboring provinces, provided that it:
•    Doesn't belong to the clan.
•    Is not a target for clan in other clan operations.
•    Is not a landing.
In case there is no territory neighboring the current province with the previous parameters mentioned, the target province will be picked randomly from all provinces which are in the same prime-time.

 

[Finnyan]

Winter, on 07 December 2015 - 05:22 PM, said:

Just to get this completely clear, nothing means absolutely nothing right? So, fail on the 5th task and everything for task 1-4 is removed as well?

If the landing zones are full your task wouldn't switch to auction automatically right? So there would be no way to complete a task for that operation that day?

Can these clan operations be set in different timezones or will your clan still only have 1 prime time?

 

Correct, you get nothing.

If the landing is full then it won't be selected and another one will be chosen.

For each task (up to 5, see 2.1.4.) you will select prime time and province type for first task.

[mightyjosHi]

Decept1on, on 07 December 2015 - 04:46 PM, said:

 

Yes they will fail because they cannot finish the mission.

But then, you should be able to attack by land (with a division) since it will be neighboring provinces and not require auction bids, unless it's for the first day.

 

Also, 2.2.2 is not correct, here's the correct version (will be fixed in announcement):

[...]

That rule change basically explainsy my question, thank you.

 

Decept1on, on 07 December 2015 - 04:46 PM, said:

It's 10 days including the day off for WoT patch if you count all days from 10 to 20 included.

 

So we have 9 Play-Days because on the 20th it ends at 9:00 CET (before fights can take place)

Which means we play on:

10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19

15 is crossed out randomly to simulate the one day for the patch. 10Days -1 for Patch = 9 Days to play.

Confirm that again please (im slightly stupid today, sry)

 

[pmakins]

knightM, on 07 December 2015 - 05:36 PM, said:

These rules are absolutely terrible for multiple reasons. After Safari I had hopes how future events will be fun and interesting and then this.

Easily the worst rule set of the campaign and my rating of the whole campaign just plummeted somewhere between  1st and 2nd campaign. (3rd campaign best, 1st second, 2nd campaign last).

 

Let's get into more detail:

 

72 landing provinces and no landings everywhere on first day

 

Do you check how crowded landings are now in stage 2 with 125 landings on map? Half of the 22 hour landings have 64 applicants, most above 40.  So with 72 landings the wast majority of all clans will never really be able to land. This will just lead to a lot of frustration of not even being able toplay. Also since points for battles were same in all stages then for individual ranking stage 1 and 2 will actually matter much more than the last stage.

 

Influence

 

Again....

Due to the few landings tens of thousands of influence will be spend just to get on the map the first day. Small and mediocre clans will go for desperate 10k bids for provinces just to have a chance for some points.

What's even worse and also applies for top clans is that if you pick a task starting with influence you never know who else got same task and how much they bid.... so how much you bid to be sure? 10k? 50k? 100k? (50k is 500 won tier 10 skirmishes, at average battle time of 6 mins that makes some 50 HOURS of activity for 15 ppl.... that's hardcore farmwars)

 

 Point gain vs other stages 

 

This has often been a complain in previous stages that one of them gave many more points than others, yes people usually want higher tiers to give a bit more but this is crazy. It's not really likely that anyone will finish 10 day tasks or even 8 day ones, but since you can do multiple tasks at once I think some 500k per stage in total will be made by best clans. That's just crazy.

 

Loosing all points on loosing the next task

 

The one thing people complained about during safari is just loosing that one battle set you back too much.... but it only stopped the task. Now if you don't "chicken out" you loose completely all points.  That's completely contrary to the feedback clans gave.

 

And one small detail:

2.3.2. If a clan hinders an enemy clan (or several clans) from completing its clan task, by capturing the enemy’s target province, the clan earns 10% of the bonus that would have been earned by the enemy clan for completing its task.The clan does not earn the bonus, if the captured province is also this clan’s target province.

 

 So clan A has his second target province same as 10th target province of clan B. Clan A wins the fight.. and doesn't get 10% of 500k (50k) but just 5k... cause you know... it didn't actually achieve anything special.

 

I do not see any logical explanation for this. Only one I can think of is that someone was too lazy to program it.

 

--------------------------------------------

Seriously who was working on the rules of this campaign? Same Project leader as the one that worked on the emblem and inscription bonuses?

 

 

 

Completely agree with everything you have said...
I would just add, why is it logical for WG to earn the most gold in tier 6 stage? xD 
After all you could earn with 10 territories (5+5 in each timezone) and get 4k gold per day (which is still better than 0 given the fact WG completely nailed us with the previous season(of course, clans like OMNI/FAME could earn 10k gold each, but thats about it)), and now in tier 6 you earn 600 gold per territory? That is just pure slap in the face xD

[Finnyan]

mightyjosHi, on 07 December 2015 - 05:57 PM, said:

That rule change basically explainsy my question, thank you.

 

So we have 9 Play-Days because on the 20th it ends at 9:00 CET (before fights can take place)

Which means we play on:

10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19

15 is crossed out randomly to simulate the one day for the patch. 10Days -1 for Patch = 9 Days to play.

Confirm that again please (im slightly stupid today, sry)

 

Oh darn, it finishes on 21st December in the morning not 20, the 20 is the last battle day.

I completely skipped this even though it was right in front of my face...

Thanks a lot for noticing now I understand what's wrong.

[ruri]

I just wants to confirm this.
We need complete 1 task, 2 taks, 3 task and finally 4 task and then give reward 25k or just choose 4 task for 25k?

[glenmp]

If i understood it right:

- every clan can have up to 5 operations simultaneously 

- for each operation you get "own" tasks to master eyery day

- if you won one task, this operation will continue, if you lose, this one operation is finished and you can start over

- Maximum output: 5 operations with 10 completed tasks up to 2.500.000 fame points

 

please confirm or explain!

 

my two cents to the "Bid" option to master a task (or the possibility): bad (losing a Bidwar is a thing a Commander can´t explain)

[Finnyan]

ruri, on 07 December 2015 - 06:20 PM, said:

I just wants to confirm this.
We need complete 1 task, 2 taks, 3 task and finally 4 task and then give reward 25k or just choose 4 task for 25k?

 

I'm not sure I understand this, can you explain maybe differently ?

 

glenmp, on 07 December 2015 - 06:31 PM, said:

If i understood it right:

- every clan can have up to 5 operations simultaneously 

- for each operation you get "own" tasks to master eyery day

- if you won one task, this operation will continue, if you lose, this one operation is finished and you can start over

- Maximum output: 5 operations with 10 completed tasks up to 2.500.000 fame points

 

please confirm or explain!

 

my two cents to the "Bid" option to master a task (or the possibility): bad (losing a Bidwar is a thing a Commander can´t explain)

 

Seems about right, if you finish all 5 tasks at level 10, then you get 500k FP x 5 = 2.5M FPs.

 

PS: just so you know, your feedback is not lost and I heard your voice, I will as usual forward it in my report.

[knightM]

Can the tasks be in different primetimes? Or do you have to choose a single primetime for all tasks and use other timezones just to block other clans?

Edited by knightM, 07 December 2015 - 06:54 PM.

[ruri]

Decept1on, on 07 December 2015 - 05:48 PM, said:

 

I'm not sure I understand this, can you explain maybe differently ?

 

Sorry for this...

Can we choose tasks?
Or we have to complete four tasks in one operation for 25k FP

[grievous12]

Another 10 days is too much allready .good thing they didnt forced us to play in X-MAS DAY.

About what knight m says i can say is the best comment so far here full of common sense.

[Winter]

knightM, on 07 December 2015 - 06:54 PM, said:

Can the tasks be in different primetimes? Or do you have to choose a single primetime for all tasks and use other timezones just to block other clans?

 

Decept1on, on 07 December 2015 - 05:55 PM, said:

 

For each task (up to 5, see 2.1.4.) you will select prime time and province type for first task.

 

[Quaksen]

grievous12, on 07 December 2015 - 06:37 PM, said:

Another 10 days is too much allready .good thing they didnt forced us to play in X-MAS DAY.

About what knight m says i can say is the best comment so far here full of common sense.

 

28 battle days is too much? It's a CAMPAIGN, not a silly little few day operation.

Edited by Quaksen, 09 December 2015 - 12:42 PM.

[KOLONYALI_MARKO]

I know this is about stage 2 but that topic is not controled.

 

We captured a conwoy in https://eu.wargaming...vince/stampriet this province and now there is no conwoy which we have border with is that normal ? If it have effects on it this is second time we are capturing this same conwoy.

 

If i remember right there shouldnt be a conwoy https://eu.wargaming...vince/bethanien in this province and this conwoy have no future.

Sorry for my poor english. Simply it doesnt show where this conwoy will be tomorrow.

 

I think our conwoy got drunk and jumped away 2 province and now dont know where to go #RİPCONWOY  #SAVECONWOY

[mightyjosHi]

Convoys dissappear from the map after 4 days, did you check if this is maybe the case with your little convoy friend?

[KOLONYALI_MARKO]

Yes but doesnt it happend in middle of stage 2 once and never again. That was 2 3 days ago i guess.

Edited by MrUnseen, 08 December 2015 - 04:23 AM.

[LilJumpa]

What a nice christmas present from the mastermind coming up with the rules.

First pretend to have learned from previous campaigns and come up with rules that are more or less fair if you leave the bidding and influence pools aside.

Then make it a little tougher, crowding the map (which is ok), just to end with a massive smack to the face.

 

Well done WG, well done.

[bondyros]

MrUnseen, on 08 December 2015 - 02:11 AM, said:

I know this is about stage 2 but that topic is not controled.

 

We captured a conwoy in https://eu.wargaming...vince/stampriet this province and now there is no conwoy which we have border with is that normal ? If it have effects on it this is second time we are capturing this same conwoy.

 

If i remember right there shouldnt be a conwoy https://eu.wargaming...vince/bethanien in this province and this conwoy have no future.

Sorry for my poor english. Simply it doesnt show where this conwoy will be tomorrow.

 

I think our conwoy got drunk and jumped away 2 province and now dont know where to go #RİPCONWOY  #SAVECONWOY

 

The reason for that is ... this is stage 2 BUG no. 4 !!

 

How this bug no. 4 'works'? Well:

1. If you 'get' (or deff) the province without any fight (so you know you have this province at 'prime time' -- 20:00 ,
2. System will give you points for convoy (2'200) and move the convoy to next province 2h later (at 22:00),
3. There are still some battles left on this new 'convoy province' (for the 'next day' ),
4. But system think that here (f.e. Maltahohe) is a convoy province for TODAY, so after battles it gives the owner points for convoy (2'200),
5. And the convoys moves once again (to Bethanien)
    
6. As the convoys have 4 day long 'roads', this convoy think that he's after 3 day (but he's only after 2 day movement) so today is the last day when he's on map,
7. Tomorrow they won't be this convoy on any province - it will simply vanished somewhere in WG's "bug files". 

 

I'm not sure, but it seems like this bug is only when you have convoy without any fight cause this bug is not as common as the 'enclave bonus bug'.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Decept1on when you're are going to recalculate clans fame points and ger rid of of this 'enclave bonus points multiplikators' ?

Is it gonna be clear how many points will be canceled and everybody will be able to check that? Or you gonna just take 'some number' of FP without saying anything and without leaving any trace?

 

 

 

 

Edited by bondyros, 08 December 2015 - 09:55 AM.

[Finnyan]

ruri, on 07 December 2015 - 07:13 PM, said:

Sorry for this...
Can we choose tasks?
Or we have to complete four tasks in one operation for 25k FP

knightM, on 07 December 2015 - 06:54 PM, said:

Can the tasks be in different primetimes? Or do you have to choose a single primetime for all tasks and use other timezones just to block other clans?

 

Decept1on, on 07 December 2015 - 05:55 PM, said:

For each task (up to 5, see 2.1.4.) you will select prime time and province type for first task.