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T-22 sr. = Type 59 of t10?

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n1cecrds #1 Posted 16 December 2015 - 01:27 AM

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Compared to T62a;

50mm more effective frontal armour to 230

70mm more effective side armour 150 (better than leo 1 front)

80mm more effective rear armour 125

1/3rd more power to weight (more than leo 1)

better aimtime, accuracy and dispersion

 

but its no op cuz;

12% less dpm (135 less than leo 1)

ground stats worse by 0.1 (still 0.2 better than leopard 1)

 

just stating FACTS 

 

(Ps. something about cheesefffstarn?!?

And nail, the, coffin, in, final, the.

rAnDom!? LOL)

 

 


Edited by n1cecrds, 20 December 2015 - 07:58 PM.


4Romm #2 Posted 18 December 2015 - 10:19 AM

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 but its no op cuz;

12% less dpm (135 less than leo 1)

ground stats worse by 0.1 (still 0.2 better than leopard 1)

 

just stating FACTS 

 

With THAT agility, THAT gun and THAT turret armor not OP?

 

Ok, lets talk about facts. Current stats show a winrate of more than 69%. Even when one consider that t22 players are surely better than average, alone the fact that additional to the great gun soft stats and top agility 48% shots are blocked by armor (better than E100 or Is7) its no wonder that it comes to such an average winrate.

 

WG balancing at its best!



Eokokok #3 Posted 18 December 2015 - 01:08 PM

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With everything this tank has I don't get why it has DPM better then E 50M... German tank should get a buff to 2,6k, while this new monstrosity should sit at 2,4-2,5k raw at best. But hell, WG knows better, especially since 80% of 22s in EU are rigged and noone gives two shiets about it.

chr1stos #4 Posted 28 December 2015 - 12:45 PM

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I met it last night in my IS-4.

He bounced everything I through at him.

Even angled more heavily than a freaking IS-4 I failed to go through his sides.

My biggest WTF moment is when I shot his front drive wheel at a 50 degree angle, 10-15m away.

in my amazement I did zero damage to him.

I loaded tank inspector and studied the armor layout and all I have to say is this: WG, WTF were you thinking?

Now I know why they banned those who rigged the game to get one, because it's so f*cking OP they knew it would brake the game if it became too popular.

WG, you have f*cked up with this one.

Big time.

Either remove this POS tank you have created or watch your faithful player base get thinner by the day.

ATM it is rare on the battlefields but it will not be for too long.

Plenty of people who got the 260 play other tanks, those who get the T-22 have zero reason to play anything else.

WG have gone out of their way in the last few months to convince me that they are on the wrong path, cashing in heavily with their "deals" on the premium shop, overbuffing the IS-3, overbuffing the E5, introducing myriads of buffs to a big number of tanks with barely any nerfs, attempting to introduce the new p2w insignia and inscriptions on tanks, the T-22 med that can easily break tier 10 and, of course, the IS-3 A, a premium closely based on a completely OP tier 8 vehicle.

I don't like where they are going with the game but it isn't pretty and it's not going to end up well.

 

 

 



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View Postchr1stos, on 28 December 2015 - 12:45 PM, said:

I met it last night in my IS-4.

He bounced everything I through at him.

Even angled more heavily than a freaking IS-4 I failed to go through his sides.

My biggest WTF moment is when I shot his front drive wheel at a 50 degree angle, 10-15m away.

in my amazement I did zero damage to him.

I loaded tank inspector and studied the armor layout and all I have to say is this: WG, WTF were you thinking?

Now I know why they banned those who rigged the game to get one, because it's so f*cking OP they knew it would brake the game if it became too popular.

WG, you have f*cked up with this one.

Big time.

Either remove this POS tank you have created or watch your faithful player base get thinner by the day.

ATM it is rare on the battlefields but it will not be for too long.

Plenty of people who got the 260 play other tanks, those who get the T-22 have zero reason to play anything else.

WG have gone out of their way in the last few months to convince me that they are on the wrong path, cashing in heavily with their "deals" on the premium shop, overbuffing the IS-3, overbuffing the E5, introducing myriads of buffs to a big number of tanks with barely any nerfs, attempting to introduce the new p2w insignia and inscriptions on tanks, the T-22 med that can easily break tier 10 and, of course, the IS-3 A, a premium closely based on a completely OP tier 8 vehicle.

I don't like where they are going with the game but it isn't pretty and it's not going to end up well.

 

 

 

 

leave the game or play it mate,only 2 solutions here

 

get the tank yourself and see how good it is ,you cannot judge it by fighting against it in one batlte only.



TheDutchMen #6 Posted 04 January 2016 - 11:46 AM

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So far the t22 is a good med but low dpm but slightly better than e50m. And most people know about the side armor by now I think because of all the attention it's gets lately. The front plate is weaker than 3of4 Russian meds and will lose almost all 1vs1 against other meds. And the high WR is because of the players who played the tanks are considered top 1% of the player base stat wise give a 50B or a 140 only to the top1% and you will see similar performance. The tank is good but it also has it weaknesses.

chr1stos #7 Posted 05 January 2016 - 07:51 AM

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View Postlungustefan, on 03 January 2016 - 06:32 PM, said:

 

leave the game or play it mate,only 2 solutions here

 

get the tank yourself and see how good it is ,you cannot judge it by fighting against it in one batlte only.

 

If a lot of people get it and it becomes popular and not get nerfed I will not l2p as you say , I will either switch to playing arty exclusively or leave the game.

I have taken the time to study it's armor profile so no thanks.

I'm sure all the rigging had nothing to do with how OP the tank is.

Obviously unicums can make their medium bounce as much as an IS-7 according to the stats so I will make sure to l2p.

This low dpm excuse is the best one people can think of and repeat,as if saying the E-50M that has even less is weak.

Oh wait...


Edited by chr1stos, 05 January 2016 - 07:58 AM.


Eokokok #8 Posted 07 January 2016 - 02:22 PM

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DPM should be lower, but let's not get this blown out of proportions - the front of the tank is still garbage by any kind of measure you want to take, and it can't really sidescrape that well either. It is way ahead of the curve, but not really gamebreaking...

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 give a 50B or a 140 only to the top1% and you will see similar performance.

 

Now cmon Dutchmen, you wanna tell us that all those players would play a mode that they dont like and do all the ridiculous rigging for a tank with a balance as the 50B? They do it because they are smart and know what to expect from this fantasy tank.

 

And when I look at the results of the T-22 owners so far, these players have better results with it than with 50B or 140. And that will not change. If future prove me wrong I will come here and apologize.



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Actually T22 front armor is kinda poor unless its angled backwards and to be fair you'd bounce a batchat if it angles like that. The only thing going for it is spaced armor on sides.

DeltaOperator #11 Posted 07 January 2016 - 05:06 PM

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This tank is broken. Just reverse sidescrape and bounce everything:

 

http://wotreplays.eu...coy-t-22_medium



Eokokok #12 Posted 07 January 2016 - 07:46 PM

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And what do you gain from reverse sidescrapping? You still have to show your [edited], and it is even weaker then the front...

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View PostTheDutchMen, on 04 January 2016 - 11:46 AM, said:

So far the t22 is a good med but low dpm but slightly better than e50m. And most people know about the side armor by now I think because of all the attention it's gets lately. The front plate is weaker than 3of4 Russian meds and will lose almost all 1vs1 against other meds. And the high WR is because of the players who played the tanks are considered top 1% of the player base stat wise give a 50B or a 140 only to the top1% and you will see similar performance. The tank is good but it also has it weaknesses.

 

 

This.

 

The few times I have met the T-22 this far I have had no problems with it at all byond what you have to expect when facing super unicums in tier X meds.



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View PostEokokok, on 07 January 2016 - 07:46 PM, said:

And what do you gain from reverse sidescrapping? You still have to show your [edited], and it is even weaker then the front...

 

 

So you clearly don't grasp reverse side scraping then. Good for you.

 

The entire point with reverse side scraping in tanks with somewhat forward biased turrets is that you don't have to expose the end of the tank at all.


Edited by janmb, 08 January 2016 - 03:09 PM.


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View Postjanmb, on 08 January 2016 - 02:09 PM, said:

 

 

So you clearly don't grasp reverse side scraping then. Good for you.

 

The entire point with reverse side scraping in tanks with somewhat forward biased turrets is that you don't have to expose the end of the tank at all.

 

Ofc it is good for me, you clearly don't know the armour layout of the tank. Even if done perfectly (which is not easy, since the tank looses all gun depression at the rear) you still get 220-230 armour at best. Again, in perfect condidtions were you can actually park in a way that you show only your sides with zero rear sticking out. So all tier 9+ tanks will reliably pen that [edited]without any problems.

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View PostEokokok, on 13 January 2016 - 12:11 PM, said:

 

Ofc it is good for me, you clearly don't know the armour layout of the tank. Even if done perfectly (which is not easy, since the tank looses all gun depression at the rear) you still get 220-230 armour at best. Again, in perfect condidtions were you can actually park in a way that you show only your sides with zero rear sticking out. So all tier 9+ tanks will reliably pen that [edited]without any problems.

 

You clearly don´t know how reversesidescraping works, have neither played with the tank nor against it.

Here is a little picture for you:

 

The Effective Armor is irrelevant since ANY AP/APCR-round will simply ricochet at that angle.

Even the Premiumshell of an E3/E4 (375 pen APCR) will at best take off the tracks at that angle where as it would have no problem penetrating a Maus at the same angle.

Combine that kind of armor with an above average mobility for a tier 10 med with an above avererage gun for a tier 10 medium and you get yourself a very overpowered tank.



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View Postn1cecrds, on 16 December 2015 - 01:27 AM, said:

Compared to T62a;

50mm more effective frontal armour to 230

70mm more effective side armour 150 (better than leo 1 front)

80mm more effective rear armour 125

1/3rd more power to weight (more than leo 1)

better aimtime, accuracy and dispersion

 

but its no op cuz;

12% less dpm (135 less than leo 1)

ground stats worse by 0.1 (still 0.2 better than leopard 1)

 

just stating FACTS 

 

(Ps. something about cheesefffstarn?!?

And nail, the, coffin, in, final, the.

rAnDom!? LOL)

 

 

 

1. you cant compare side armor directly, T22sr gains MUCH more protection from angling and has spaced armor at sides

2. it has 31.35 hp/t effective p/w ratio on MEDIUM terrain ... just for comparison the AMX ELC has 28.65 on medium , Spahpanzer - 28.89 ...

 

yes its p/w ratio is higher than that of the most mobile LIGHT TANKS

 

 

it has Heavium tank armor that can and will bounce a LOT (statistically it still bounces 47.49 % of shots which is coincidentally SAME as IS7 ... T62A is at 27% ...

it has light tank mobility

it still has medium tank DPM

it has the most accurate gun with miraculously good (read BROKEN) gun soft stats

 

its OP AS **** ...

 

 

 

no right now it isnt T59 of T10, its PZ2J or SU76i of T10 ...



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Met 2 yesterday.

One 1k wn8 player and one 2,7k wn8 player

First one averaged just above 2k damage and better than 9%

Unicum averaged 3,7k and better than 60%

That means 40% of the players who have it does over 3,7k average damage in it.

So it clearly underperformes.....lol.



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View PostFabunil, on 17 January 2016 - 09:17 AM, said:

 

You clearly don´t know how reversesidescraping works, have neither played with the tank nor against it.

Here is a little picture for you:

 

The Effective Armor is irrelevant since ANY AP/APCR-round will simply ricochet at that angle.

Even the Premiumshell of an E3/E4 (375 pen APCR) will at best take off the tracks at that angle where as it would have no problem penetrating a Maus at the same angle.

Combine that kind of armor with an above average mobility for a tier 10 med with an above avererage gun for a tier 10 medium and you get yourself a very overpowered tank.

Ap will pen at that angle.



Eokokok #20 Posted 12 May 2016 - 08:11 AM

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Not to mention the rectangle around the gun is patethic atm..





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