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Poll: Player's Rate's VK4502(P) Ausf A (142 members have cast votes)

Pls. Rates VK4502(P)Ausf A from your personal experience

  1. Excellent Tank (14 votes [9.86%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.86%

  2. Really Good Tank (26 votes [18.31%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.31%

  3. Good-Average Tank (32 votes [22.54%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.54%

  4. Mediocre Tank (39 votes [27.46%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.46%

  5. Disaster Tank (31 votes [21.83%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.83%

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goliat33 #1 Posted 30 August 2011 - 01:08 PM

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HeY!!! HeY!!! All of You Tankers Who Love to feel challenge,Pain and Blood on your own Skin Here come's the Tank that will shake your body and upset your brain here come's the every Masochist "Tankers" Dream, feel The real Challenge,feel the real pain,taste the blood inside of your turret!!!Here come's The Vk4502(P) Ausf.A!!!!

Yes My friend's I am the one of this ppl. who want's to feel all of this things i am the real crazy "Masochist" behind the "wheel"of this low thick Monster.What can i said I love the real Challenge and this tank can give you that and much more but first get yourself a bunch of tranquilizers maybe a good bottle of Vodka and something to smoke...Here we go, when you open Ausf A you will not be able to mount better gun on it till you grind first 14650 points for better suspension,with stock '88 gun you will be a Big moving "Duck" in many battles things will not improve that much even with better suspension but at least you can mount finnaly KwK 43 L/71 on it and try to be deadly Fatty sniper from long distance.You don't need to grind for better turret if you decide to have a "Stronger" gun but my advice in this case is forget about it because that 10,5cm KwK 45 is the waste of time in most of the situation you can have on the battlefield.Armour on Ausf A is not bad but considering that you are heavy Tier 8 Tank is not good eaither,frontal hull is 120mm and sloopy angle is solid, side and rear hull are 80mm, and big size of this Tank will make you an easy target for enemy's sniper tanks.better turret have frontal of 185mm with 80mm/80mm side&rear, and yes that turret have better frontal protection but you will lost a turret speed soon as you mount it from 38deg/sec on only 28deg/sec...Maneuvering on Ausf A is Good but with that many weak spots that this Tank have it must be better and "Devs" should consider this as my suggestion, I will be more than happy if they decide to Give this Tank better Maneuvering&speed and one more option for Sniper gun maybe something like:"KwK 46 L/100"From E-50 in that case Ausf A can find himself like a Good hybrid Heavy-Medium Sniper Tank in WoT otherwise till that happend All of you "Real" Tankers nerds jump inside of this "Masochistic Beauty" and Show us your Real skills!!!!


Tricks&Tips:
Good Tricks:"Good View Range,good Maneuvering and good old '88 in Good Tankers hands can be a Good Support from distance,Heavy tank that can mount Vert.Stabilazer "
Bad Tips:"2 Many of them"

Goliat Stress Test /VK 4502(P) Ausf A/:

Gun Fire Power 6,6/10

Gun Precision&speed 7,4/10

Tank Speed 7,0/10

Tank maneuvering 7,2/10

Armour 6,9/10

Fear Factor 5,1/10(You can suprise some of the enemies with big size of this Tank)

Overall:--------6,7/10--------Good-Average Tank,Good As Sniper&Support but very difficult to fight agains other heavy's.
0-2(Disaster Tank);2-5(Mediocre Tank);5-7(Average Tank);7-8,5(Really Good Tank);8,5-10(Excellent Tank)

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Historical Info:
The initial concept work for the new Panzer started on the 23rd March 1942 and initially it was proposed that the chassis design for the VK4502 could be adopted from the VK4501 with very little modification aside from that needed to fit the new turret and ammunition stowage. But as time went on, views on what was needed on future battle fields caused significant changes to be initiated in armour protection for the tank and it was not until late may early July 1942 that the hull design was finalised.

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The turret for the VK4502 was also designed by professor Porsche and would mount the 8.8cm Kw.K. L/71. 68 rounds for this gun were carried in the tank 42 in horizontal panniers along the superstructure sides, 10 horizontally on the floor and 16 rounds stored horizontally in the turret.
Production contracts for manufacture were given to Fried.Kruppe AG Essen on the 4th of February 1942 for 100 VK4502 armour shells along with 100 turret shells. The armour hulls were to be delivered to the Nibelungwerk GmbH, St. Valentin for assembly and the turrets to Fried.Kruppe AG Ruhr for assembly.

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Feindfeuer #2 Posted 30 August 2011 - 01:30 PM

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I like my VK4502(P) Ausf.A,
I 'cheated' me through the grind though and unlocked tracks & turret etc to get a fully capable tank from the start though. It may not have the same AP shell power as a KT and lack it's superior front armor but it is a rather mobile little tank that has a high mobility for a german heavy. In another thread someone called it 'the german IS3' and i think that fits. It might not be so bouncy, but it makes for a awesome brawling tank that shines in urban combat or enviroments where it can dash from cover to cover to outflank the enemy. It may be in a disadvantage when doing a 1 on 1 slug out match with a KT or other Tier 8 tanks, but it can shift the frontline with fast redeployment of heavy firepower and armor.

It seems to explode rather fast when targeted by artillery though. :(

Denii #3 Posted 30 August 2011 - 01:49 PM

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Probably you can use suspension module for 500k and mount long 88 right away.

Ascender #4 Posted 30 August 2011 - 03:00 PM

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Unfortunatly i barely see one of these in combat to assess it's performance, neither do i have one myself, but i'll be interested to see what comes of it. Because i still do not believe as most people here that it's fair the VK4502 Ausf A gets a worse gun selection than the King Tiger, and that in itself already puts this vehicle at a disadvantage for Tier 8, especially if it's supposed to be a heavy tank, sure it has medium characteristics like the KV-1S as has been said before by someone, but the KV-1S still gets the same 122mm as the KV-3, so in that respect they're fair, for the VK4502P Ausf A compared to the KT, it is not.

theta0123 #5 Posted 30 August 2011 - 03:16 PM

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Front armor is to weak, even the 107mm can easily penetrate it

Its turret armor is alright
Gun is alright

Speed and acceleration are not sufficient to outweigh the Weak armour statistics

Hornet331 #6 Posted 30 August 2011 - 03:22 PM

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The IS3 has hardly less mobility stats and gets the BL9.. make your own conclusion about that..

The VK45A only advantage over the IS3 is better accel (15.x) and turn on spot. The IS3 has better turnrate, better gun, better armor, lower profile....
I dont see turning on spot as and advantage for a tank like the VK45A, turning on spot is usefull if you are stationary... if you are stationary in a heavy-med hybrid you are doing somethinig wrong...

J909 #7 Posted 30 August 2011 - 03:42 PM

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I only had the tank for a day or so...

still need to get engine and turret, but I feel a painful grind ahead of me to the Ausf B.

Only good thing I can think of to say about it is that I like the look of it...

BulKathos #8 Posted 30 August 2011 - 04:26 PM

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Worse armor than KT, worse armament than KT and do you get in return? 4 km/h more top speed.

LOL the tank is terrible.

luftwaffe_be #9 Posted 30 August 2011 - 06:42 PM

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This tank is the KV-1S of the german line really ; a heavy tank that pretends to be a medium. Armour is sacrificed for speed.

And just like the KV-1S, I don't like it. It's something that can only satisfy few : Armour to weak for heavy, speed to low for medium. Add to that that this tank has poor gun selection, unlike KV-1S or IS-3. If this tank would have the long 105, this tank could be great. Unfortunately, your stuck with the 88L71.

Also, you have to get suspension in order to mount it, this means playing some T8 battles with 88L56 --> very bad !

goliat33 #10 Posted 30 August 2011 - 07:16 PM

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I consider Ausf A Real Challenge Tank just because it's Hard to handle him, but as I said this Tank is not for ppl. who use to play with regular Heavy Tanks that will be hard expiriance for many of them...As I said it in this tread Devs. should tweak a bit this Tank and just make the gun choice a bit better then we can have a Diffrent&Good heavy-Mid Tank... :Smile-bajan2:

Nechrom #11 Posted 30 August 2011 - 07:33 PM

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I absolutely adore this tank!

This is the most fun tank I have driven so far. Even more enjoyable than the Jagdpanther which I also love.

Just like with every other tank, it's about finding its niche. The VK 4502(P) Ausf A is a medium tank, plain and simple. You play it like a German medium (=no circle strafing) and use the awesome manuverability and acceleration to avoid getting hit. The forward mounted turret is great for "peekabo" fighting.

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Also, some "nice" armour bugs.
The hit in the below screenshot did no damage.
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Sean473 #13 Posted 31 August 2011 - 05:36 PM

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This is the worst tier 8 tank ever. I hit it frontally with a SU-152 with a 152mm gun 2 times and killed it. No one else damaged it. Seriously , if you love this tank something must be wrong with you.

Edward_Teague #14 Posted 31 August 2011 - 06:39 PM

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The only experience I had of this tanks was playing prahova.

It was 4vs4 and I saw one of these clown tanks coming straight at me!

I was like WTF is that? Looks like shit. Two shells later from my 128mm 4502B it imploded!

Tank is probably the crapiest tier8

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View PostEdward_Teague, on 31 August 2011 - 06:39 PM, said:

The only experience I had of this tanks was playing prahova.

It was 4vs4 and I saw one of these clown tanks coming straight at me!

I was like WTF is that? Looks like shit. Two shells later from my 128mm 4502B it imploded!

Tank is probably the crapiest tier8

Let us be serious, it would be crap even if it was a tier 7 tank.

And clown tank is a good description.

Nechrom #16 Posted 01 September 2011 - 04:00 PM

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Clown tank huh?
I sense bad players.

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zelacor #17 Posted 01 September 2011 - 04:15 PM

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So if someone can provide screenshots of some good rounds with this tank it's automatically not a bad clown tank anymore after all.

You sir are a master of logic

Reichsfackel #18 Posted 01 September 2011 - 07:45 PM

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View Posttheta0123, on 30 August 2011 - 03:16 PM, said:

Front armor is to weak, even the 107mm can easily penetrate it

Its turret armor is alright
Gun is alright

Speed and acceleration are not sufficient to outweigh the Weak armour statistics
Good and short review. The VK4502A is the KV-1S of the German tree. In contrast to the KV-1S, it lacks firepower. The VK4502A either needs a better gun (10.5 L/68) or a higher top speed (41 km/h) with better acceleration. It's an average (mediocre) tank which may be an entertaining tank, since it's the only German Heavy with decent speed.

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If u kill 10 of these tanks u get special medal called "clown trapper!"

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View PostFrankyK, on 01 September 2011 - 07:45 PM, said:

Good and short review. The VK4502A is the KV-1S of the German tree. In contrast to the KV-1S, it lacks firepower. The VK4502A either needs a better gun (10.5 L/68) or a higher top speed (41 km/h) with better acceleration. It's an average (mediocre) tank which may be an entertaining tank, since it's the only German Heavy with decent speed.
You should compare it to its own tier. Its more like the german IS3, armorwise and speedwise.
And the gun is decent at least. 200mm pen is enough  and the dps is really good.