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chr1stos #21 Posted 29 January 2016 - 08:40 AM

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So low profile tanks get better camo and taller tanks get better view range.

Tier 10 Russian mediums get both.

Because of their small size they are so difficult to hit, especially the Object 907, they retain good armor without losing mobility due to small size/weight, they get good camo AND good view range.

Really, the only price they pay for small size is packed modules/crew that easily get damaged/hurt.

So it's only fair they should get a view range nerf that is representative of their ultra low profile.

Having said all that you cannot evaluate their goodness based on their garage stats but on how they perform on the battlefield.

While they may be good, I wouldn't "accuse" them of being overpowered.

All tier 10 meds look good atm.

But Leo 1 for example has more than just a high skill cap, it's not adequately useful on all maps.

Camo and view range won't get you anywhere in Kharkov.



mortalsatsuma #22 Posted 29 January 2016 - 09:00 AM

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You're probably trying to brawl in a Leopard 1 which just makes me laugh. AFAIK the Leopards have a fairly high skill requirement to use well but the Leopard 1 can be incredible in skilled hands.......so basically there's your problem. 

Gootti_Kustaa #23 Posted 29 January 2016 - 09:41 AM

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OP, it is just you...

tajj7 #24 Posted 29 January 2016 - 09:47 AM

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View Postkstoff, on 29 January 2016 - 04:48 AM, said:

"Simply put, whatever Leopard 1 can do well, the Russian mediums can do just as well or better. And they can do much more than that. In 90% of the maps, the Russians are just strict upgrades over a Leo."

 

This and most other myths are seemingly popular among 47%-ers. I can only agree that russian meds may be better for yolo playstyle, which again is popular for average players. Nothing more. Their popularity in team games, CW is because they fill the specific role of scouting-oriented vehicles. For random play the are good but definitely not better than other meds.

 

Reading your post Saukko, I only wonder why the heck you do not have better stats than Dyaebl, Emu or Xena. You seem to know everything about this game with 105% confidence...

 

The 140 is flat out superior to the Leo in everything bar accuracy, top speed, alpha and gun depression. 

 

All except the last,  are rather meaningless in the current meta, engagement ranges are generally too small for 0.30 accuracy to have much impact over 0.35, not to mention if the Leo does any sort of movement before aiming it has to sit there for longer to aim than a 140.

 

10 kph faster speed is a much of a muchness on these small maps, again the Soviet hover resistances negate the Leo's Hp/ton advantage, they are more agile, they have better camo, they are just better tanks.

 

It's a simple fact, you have to be in denial to not see that the two best medium tanks on tier 10 are the Obj. 140 and T-62A.

 

Leo is a mobile sniper that is made of ammo racks, the T-62A and the 140 are complete mediums with no weaknesses, they can do everything pretty much and can do it to a high level.

 

Interestingly you talk about Dyaebi, highest medium DPG? Obj. 907, highest WR in Tier 10 mediums? Obj. 140. 

 

X3N4's second most played tank? T-62A

 

 



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"o my point is - russian meds are so OP coz this game is made by russians"

 

This game is not made by russians, so any opinion you have is coloured.

 

I think russian vehicles in general are just good for the bad and average players, because their armour is made out of bouncanium, but they are not OP.

Obj 140 is great fun, T54 is great fun, but so is my Lorr 40t and M48 Patton, and I can't wait till when I finally get a Batchat.

 



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I think most people use the definition "OP" when they really should be using "balanced"

Obsessive_Compulsive #27 Posted 29 January 2016 - 09:55 AM

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I much prefer the trading laser that is e50 and E50M. I reckon solo in randoms its all down to what you enjoy.. very few players will perform well in a tank they dont have fun playing. More often than not I feel that alpha damage is king. A platoon of russian meds in an organised focus fire is certainly OP. exposure time and how much target you present when playing aggresive counts for a lot!

 

are Russian meds OP? if you look at vbaddict and discount the special tanks with small data sets then clearly they are not. But woflpacking in CW is only viable with russians.. organised pushes is where RU excel..



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Russian meds, especially T9 and T10 are great all rounders with *effective* armour. In the hands of a good player they will quickly seem OP but they are not.

 

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OP, you need to understand that inspite of only 5 classes in the game, there are many more roles in the game. Soviet meds are "fake meds", that is, in my opinion, they are not meant to act like true meds, but they are instead supposed to play more aggressively by cooperating with heavies (reaching key locations and awaiting the heavies and then pushing the enemy with them). Other Meds are "Lone Wolf"-meds , like the Leopard. This kind of meds are meant to act basically like tank destroyers at the beginning of the game, and when the situation allows (mid-end game), they are supposed to rush in and assassinate injured/isolated enemies by flanking them and eliminating them before they can react. Then there are other kinds of meds, like the Batchat ("Spot and assassinate").

 

If anything, the only real medium tank that has no purpose in the game is the AMX-30b. the only thing it can do is staying hull-down, which is however nullifed by teh cathedral it has on the turret.

 

Also, if you think the T62a is OP you are completely out of your mind. It has a  much higher skillcap due to paper armour and almost no hulldown possible. It compensantes with a better gun, that is true.



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T62a no armor? Lol, you mean that tiny cuppola that can barely be hit?

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View PostEhern, on 29 January 2016 - 10:35 AM, said:

T62a no armor? Lol, you mean that tiny cuppola that can barely be hit?

 

Or maybe the entire hull which can be penetrated by some HE even?

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Obj416. tier 8 T-54 gun and 330HEAT pen. more camo than ELC standing still. insane small profile. balanced.

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View Postrolfwar, on 29 January 2016 - 10:36 AM, said:

 

Or maybe the entire hull which can be penetrated by some HE even?

 

sure OFP and LFP are sooo weak



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Tier 8 med premiums? The mutz and m46KR are heads and shoulders better than anything else at their tier.

Tier x meds I see consistently played well...cent...batchat...skoda.

Russ tanks good?  Yes....op? I dont think so.

 From your words i assume that good and OP is calibrated by what dmg they do in game, not by all effort that they give to team and what kind of game changers they are. coz i have seen 5k+ dmg blocked by Russian med which u cant do by leopard1 only if u stay in one place and there is one guy who shot u in one same spot for whole game where he cant pen. B-c and skoda is totally different story. its kinda lame even to compare autoloader burst dmg with regular meds.

 

Little off topic. tier 8 clan wars most common tanks are is-3 and for scouts light-t54. so again russians. 

 



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"o my point is - russian meds are so OP coz this game is made by russians"

 

This game is not made by russians, so any opinion you have is coloured.

 

Russia and Belarus are like father and son. so its made by russians!



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I much prefer the trading laser that is e50 and E50M. I reckon solo in randoms its all down to what you enjoy.. very few players will perform well in a tank they dont have fun playing. More often than not I feel that alpha damage is king. A platoon of russian meds in an organised focus fire is certainly OP. exposure time and how much target you present when playing aggresive counts for a lot!

 

are Russian meds OP? if you look at vbaddict and discount the special tanks with small data sets then clearly they are not. But woflpacking in CW is only viable with russians.. organised pushes is where RU excel..

 OK do wolfpacing with leopards in CW. lets see result. just to be clear make 15xojb 140 vs 15x leopard1 and then watch the circus,

 



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View PostTreicy, on 29 January 2016 - 12:15 PM, said:

 

Russia and Belarus are like father and son. so its made by russians!

 

Careful sonny Jim, you can get yourself in some hot water. Imagine going to Glasgow and saying that Scotland and England were basically the same thing. It would not go well for you. 

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View Postrolfwar, on 29 January 2016 - 09:36 AM, said:

 

Or maybe the entire hull which can be penetrated by some HE even?

 

lol what?

 

Unangled T-62a hull is like 160-170 effective on UFP an LFP, sides are 80mm, most of which are covered by tracks.

 

What HE pens that?

 

It then has one of the best turrets in the game and -5 gun depression, there are 1000s of spots across the maps to get hull down in a T-62A.

 

Tier 10 Soviet hover meds are two of the most powerful tier 10 you can get, they do everything, they outperform the 'OP' E5 and they are more popular and more played. 

 

 

 

 



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PipariIkkunaPesuvati #40 Posted 29 January 2016 - 08:22 PM

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View PostHard_Target, on 28 January 2016 - 11:39 PM, said:

Russian meds are OP,

 

Nope, they are slightly above average better than all heavies and other meds.





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