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Shnuks #41 Posted 30 January 2016 - 12:33 PM

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I wouldn't call them OP exactly, since they aren't as bad as the E5 currently is compared to other tanks. I think a lot has to do with the fact that they are very versatile and the maps being what they are, they can do any role quite well. The game currently just doesn't favor paper tanks, not only because you get massive damage from arty splash, but more because of the map design.

 

But i still think the tier 10 russian meds aren't as bad as a T54 at tier 9 shooting heat. 



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In World of Corridors russian mediums are not as strong as they used to be.

They lack alpha damage and all their advantages are negated by having to fight short range engagements.

 

I mean, sure, an Obj. 140 will own a Leopard 1 in a ridge fight over range.

But if you have to peek a corner to spam HEAT into a T110E5, T110E3, Type 5 Heavy or other imaginary tanks with 300 mm armour,  you'd rather do it 3 times in a Leo than 4 times in an Obj. 140. :D



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View PostGuzganuRozaliu, on 30 January 2016 - 02:41 PM, said:

In World of Corridors russian mediums are not as strong as they used to be.

They lack alpha damage and all their advantages are negated by having to fight short range engagements.

 

I mean, sure, an Obj. 140 will own a Leopard 1 in a ridge fight over range.

But if you have to peek a corner to spam HEAT into a T110E5, T110E3, Type 5 Heavy or other imaginary tanks with 300 mm armour,  you'd rather do it 3 times in a Leo than 4 times in an Obj. 140. :D

 

Please, we all know armor is irrelevant in this game! :sceptic:



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View PostShnuks, on 30 January 2016 - 03:44 PM, said:

Please, we all know armor is irrelevant in this game! :sceptic:

 

That's why everyone is playing T110E5 now with improving results?

Because armour is irrelevant? :D:D:D



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View PostGuzganuRozaliu, on 30 January 2016 - 03:47 PM, said:

 

That's why everyone is playing T110E5 now with improving results?

Because armour is irrelevant? :D:D:D

 

Because everyone now suddenly likes its playing style. Nothing to do with it being OP at all. Just a preference, yoy know.

 

The Russian meds can actually withstand E5 faceroll much better than tanks like Leo because they have enough staying power to aim their HEAT on the cupola at least until some extent. Oh wait. They don't need to stop to aim. Leo still does, and it lacks the turret armor to bounce any of the E5 shells as well. Fair. But hey, this is only relevant in around 90% of the maps and Leo can almost match the quality of Object 140 in the remaining 2-3 maps which makes it as good.



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View PostGuzganuRozaliu, on 30 January 2016 - 02:47 PM, said:

 

That's why everyone is playing T110E5 now with improving results?

Because armour is irrelevant? :D:D:D

 

i was being sarcastic...

 

Check the very long gold whine thread where a couple of "amazing" players explain how armor is irrelevant in this game...



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No they are not OP you just play the Leo wrong. You never go in a 1v1 and brawl with any other t10 MT because you will loose. You have to use your mobility stealth and accuracy and only in the end when most enemies are low on health you may go all in and pick them up. I don't have E50, Patton, TVP, 121 and 30B but i have the rest of the MTs and even they can be played in the same manner, each one has a specific role which uses their specific blend of strengths. Which means in perfect conditions they all have distinct play styles. You just need to be aware of that and react accordingly. So my bet is that you don't really know the tanks and until you learn them, their strengths and weaknesses, where they are strong on the map and where are not so good and so on you will still make bad choices and feel that the enemies are OP. You learn by encountering enemies but you learn a lot more by actually playing those tanks. I found out that Tiger 2 can be very easy penetrated in front of its turret by playing it, until then i was only aiming for its cupola. My advice if you think that they are so OP then farm and put them in your garage, you will learn a lot that way.

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View PostShnuks, on 30 January 2016 - 04:09 PM, said:

 

i was being sarcastic...

 

Check the very long gold whine thread where a couple of "amazing" players explain how armor is irrelevant in this game...

 

But armor is irrelevant. I remember when my IS-3 was penetrated twice in a row in a tier 9 battle a few weeks ago. I can show you the replay as hard evidence. Ragesold the tank obviously. 



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Edited by dirsspardis, 30 January 2016 - 04:42 PM.


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View Postmortalsatsuma, on 29 January 2016 - 10:00 AM, said:

You're probably trying to brawl in a Leopard 1 which just makes me laugh. AFAIK the Leopards have a fairly high skill requirement to use well but the Leopard 1 can be incredible in skilled hands.......so basically there's your problem. 

 

i really wonder who made up this fairy tale about leo 1, any tank can be incredible with skilled hands... i checked ur stats u didnt play even a single game with leo1... of course brawling is not an option with leo 1, but that doesn't mean u will not have to. and get some experience with a tank before speaking about it... so basically there's your problem.

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The Obj. 140 has and continues to outperform the E5 in pretty much every statistic going, WR, XP, Damage etc, only armour leaves it behind (even then it bounces like 1 out of every 3 shots fired at it)

 

Yet many people are convinced the E5 is OP.

 

Well sorry you can't have it both ways, if the E5 is OP, the 140 is OP. 

 

Also don't give me the noobs are playing the E5 rubbish either, 140 and T-62a are like two of the most played tier 10s. 

 

If you have any shred of ability, the Obj 140 is pretty much the easiest to play tank in the game it does everything to a very high level.  If you want to be competitive, as in try hard there is no point playing the other tier 10 meds, it's that reason why you see CW teams full of them.

 

 



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View Postapulunas, on 30 January 2016 - 04:17 PM, said:

i really wonder who made up this fairy tale about leo 1, any tank can be incredible with skilled hands... i checked ur stats u didnt play even a single game with leo1... of course brawling is not an option with leo 1, but that doesn't mean u will not have to. and get some experience with a tank before speaking about it... so basically there's your problem.

 

Wow, there really are some people of 'special' intelligence lurking on these forums. Notice the part where I said 'AFAIK' that's because I don't own a leopard 1, and never claimed too. Maybe refrain from sniffing your own farts when replying to comments next time, they seem to be addling your tiny brain......so basically there's your problem.   


Edited by mortalsatsuma, 30 January 2016 - 07:40 PM.


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View Postmortalsatsuma, on 30 January 2016 - 07:01 PM, said:

 

Wow, there really are some people of 'special' intelligence lurking on these forums. Notice the part where I said 'AFAIK' that's because I don't own a leopard 1, and never claimed too. Maybe refrain from sniffing your own farts when replying to comments next time, they seem to be addling your tiny brain......so basically there's your problem.   

my farts are better than having an opinion without knowledge... so basically there's your problem.


Edited by apulunas, 30 January 2016 - 08:42 PM.


Shnuks #54 Posted 30 January 2016 - 08:43 PM

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View Postapulunas, on 30 January 2016 - 08:40 PM, said:

my farts are better than having an opinion without knowledge... so basically there's your problem.

 

Is there something wrong with the statement he made?

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View Postapulunas, on 30 January 2016 - 08:40 PM, said:

my farts are better than having an opinion without knowledge... so basically there's your problem.

 

You don't need to own a tank in this game to know what it's like. There's this thing called YouTube, people upload videos too it, which has a lot of WOT content on it and there's also this magical place called the WOT wiki, again, full of wonderful in-game tank knowledge. I've done my research and, once again seeing as you seem to have trouble with this so I'll put it in big letters and in bold writing so you can hopefully understand: AFAIK (Because I don't actually own one myself, again having to spell it out for you) the Leopard 1 is a vehicle with a high skill requirement to use effectively but is devastating if you have the skill to use it, hence why I don't own one, I don't feel I'm of the appropriate skill level to use it.   

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View Postmortalsatsuma, on 30 January 2016 - 09:01 PM, said:

 

You don't need to own a tank in this game to know what it's like. 

 

I partially agree as you can learn a lot about any tank from the internet and by playing against it. But every player is different and you may overlook some things that are more plausible to you and your play style, so you will learn a lot more by playing that tank because the information you unravel by yourself is there to stay cemented in own experience. We as humans evolved our means to pass knowledge way faster than out bodies evolved so even if we have good learning capabilities and have a vast pool of information we still tend to learn better by direct experience. There is a saying that "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it", we have access to knowledge about our past but still are repeating mistakes on a regular basis, that until we learn through failure.

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View Posttajj7, on 30 January 2016 - 05:21 PM, said:

The Obj. 140 has and continues to outperform the E5 in pretty much every statistic going, WR, XP, Damage etc, only armour leaves it behind (even then it bounces like 1 out of every 3 shots fired at it)

Yet many people are convinced the E5 is OP.

Well sorry you can't have it both ways, if the E5 is OP, the 140 is OP. 

Also don't give me the noobs are playing the E5 rubbish either, 140 and T-62a are like two of the most played tier 10s. 

If you have any shred of ability, the Obj 140 is pretty much the easiest to play tank in the game it does everything to a very high level.  If you want to be competitive, as in try hard there is no point playing the other tier 10 meds, it's that reason why you see CW teams full of them.

 

E5 is extremely OP now with the armour buffs.

And especially with World of Corridors, Obj 140 is just 2013 crap compared to a T110E5.

Be serious.



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Tiers VIII and below they're fine - in some cases underpowered just like other mediums from other nations relatively to heavy tanks, and in tier VIII even the Obj 416 is fine as it is: extremely powerful and boarderline overpowered but in the bigger picture of things I woulnd't see it as a problem. Real problems are at tiers IX and X where WG's greed and / or ineptitude to balance HEAT ammo makes the Russian mediums anecdotic, alongside the bobs who abuse them.

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View PostShnuks, on 30 January 2016 - 09:43 PM, said:

 

Is there something wrong with the statement he made?

 

there is a fairy tale going around with leo 1 which is it's incredible in skilled hands. every tank is incredible in skilled hands. i watched straik with 121, you may think 121 is greatest tank in the game. and then some noob players which never played with leo 1 keep repeating that fairy tale... that's quite annoying. i believe if that guy tried leo 1 he can't even have %45 wr. it's one of the hardest tank to play in the game.

 

about topic, just like i stated before, obj 140 and t62a is quite op, because soviet doctrine says so.


Edited by apulunas, 31 January 2016 - 10:21 AM.


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They are not OP...

ALL padders play them with heat because they are so bad tank.

They really need this hammer nerf, more armor than some heavy, more dpm, more speed, more aim, more camo, more view range... Compare t-54 to WZ 111 1-4, only the gun is better...





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