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bubo_bubo #1 Posted 24 February 2016 - 11:49 AM

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Ugh..... bad bad bad bad...

Terrible armor all around (even when angled hull down). Terrible mobility and speed. Terrible gun handling with high bloom and looong aimtime as well as horrible accuracy on the move.

Very flamable. Ammorack in the front  (also very fragile).

Very expensive ammunition at 680 credits per shot even though you do 10 less damage than other Tier 8 mediums who still pay 250 for theirs...

Bad bad bad... All around bad with no good qualities.

 

So... how do you turn a horrible horrible tank into something usable? It can't brawl since it's slow at everything and not armored at all... it's not very good at sniping because while you took your time to aim the enemy will disappear...

What I ended up doing every round since I got the tank is use opportunities. This tank does not create opportunities, it uses them. You use and sacrifice your teammates whenever in order to be able to do any damage (because of terrible aimtime, high bloom, no armor and no speed). You can't pressure the enemy and constantly put fire in them like in say a Pershing or a Centurion.

Support. You have the speed of heavy tanks. Serve as support so your heavies don't get flanked and circled by mediums and lights.

At the end of the day you are in a craptank and if you're to be at your most effective and of use to your team, if you wish to contribute to the victory and do well... play support. Be something the enemy has to worry about coming out, not something that assaults them.

 

And I think this replay highlights that very well. http://wotreplays.co...o_bubo-fv4202_p



Eokokok #2 Posted 24 February 2016 - 12:14 PM

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You almost act surprised. The tank was seen as crap for a long time, and it is garbage to such an extent that it will be instabuffed in 9.14...

bubo_bubo #3 Posted 24 February 2016 - 12:45 PM

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View PostEokokok, on 24 February 2016 - 11:14 AM, said:

You almost act surprised. The tank was seen as crap for a long time, and it is garbage to such an extent that it will be instabuffed in 9.14...

 

Naaah, we all knew it will be crap aside from knowing it's ammo rack is terrible and it being a matchbox.

But now we get a chance to actually play it for ourselves and get a feel for it.



Vanpizderman #4 Posted 24 February 2016 - 01:33 PM

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another crap premium tank - wargaming brand.... if it's not rus tank it must be crap, simple as that.

Edited by Vanpizderman, 24 February 2016 - 01:34 PM.


lord_chipmonk #5 Posted 24 February 2016 - 02:17 PM

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View PostVanpizderman, on 24 February 2016 - 01:33 PM, said:

another crap premium tank - wargaming brand.... if it's not rus tank it must be crap, simple as that.

 

Mutz adn Patton Kr are both decent. 

NakedPassenger #6 Posted 24 February 2016 - 02:25 PM

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waiting for buff before playing it :D

Vanpizderman #7 Posted 24 February 2016 - 02:33 PM

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View Postlord_chipmonk, on 24 February 2016 - 02:17 PM, said:

 

Mutz adn Patton Kr are both decent. 

 

decent doesn't mean "crap" and as well as i know, for those 2 tanks you increase wargaming incomes...

bbulii #8 Posted 24 February 2016 - 04:16 PM

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Obviously everyone knew how was it -every CC reviewed FV and said tank was terrible.

You just have to check this for yourself after putting considerable effort.

Apparently it's worse than it seemed in hands of average player and in actually random battle, which wasn't picked for YT review.

This tank is basically CDC with knocked out gunner, damaged gun and driven in reverse.

Oh and with 250% more expensive ammunition.

 

edit: typos


Edited by Anaart, 24 February 2016 - 04:17 PM.


Verbal_kint_742 #9 Posted 24 February 2016 - 05:50 PM

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View PostEokokok, on 24 February 2016 - 01:14 PM, said:

You almost act surprised. The tank was seen as crap for a long time, and it is garbage to such an extent that it will be instabuffed in 9.14...

 

Yes...we will gonna have a Leopard PTA's kind of buff. Still bad after 2-3 sequential buffs, still everyone is hate it.

Transforming diarrhea in to "hard s**t" does not make the s**t..."eatable" ("playable" in our case)

 



Eokokok #10 Posted 24 February 2016 - 06:42 PM

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Never said it will be good after the buff. Doubt it, it needs model reworked for start, and since Cent 1 is same tier normal med it bring the problem of normal tank already being garbage... So yeah, in the end it will still be bad, but a little less.

Friggin_F #11 Posted 24 February 2016 - 07:22 PM

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Well, my very first impression of this thing was extremely bad. Cannot hit crap if not fully aimed and most times you can't fully aim, because if you don't use max gun depression even the turret is paper. But after the first few battles, i swapped optics for vents, trained BIA on the crew (which i would have done anyway, sooner or later) and put pudding on.

 

With that you suddenly can snapshot, which is a huge improvement due to the rather mediocre armor. Also with both viewrange skills, you can still reach the spotting range cap which is nice. Call me crazy, but now i actually kinda like it.

No argument that it needs a buff tho... a T8 prem tank that needs the food consumable to make it work is quite fail.


Edited by Friggin_F, 24 February 2016 - 08:42 PM.


Haifischy #12 Posted 24 February 2016 - 09:11 PM

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First battle - about 2.6k dmg, some assist, 3 kills.

 

It's playable even in its current state, expected it to be much worse. And it's gonna receive a buff. And it's free.

 

Me gusta.



FoxtrotOscar_ #13 Posted 24 February 2016 - 09:32 PM

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Have not played one, but saw few today while driving my M4A1 and they were extremely easy to dispose of, but maybe it was their driver's fault and not the tank's, not sure. Seems to have no advantage whatsoever. It's slow but has no armor, It has good gun depression but no turret armor or mobility to use it, It has good penetration but terrible gun handling, all in all for every tiny bit of advantage it has it gets tons of huge disadvantages. 

 

In any case WG has already said they are gonna buff it, so fingers crossed, lets wait and see how they do it.



Granny_Smith #14 Posted 24 February 2016 - 10:24 PM

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Turret plating and the plating in general is not great, but it can bounce some fair share of incoming fire already. Gun handling shows up in stats as worse than Cent I, but actually it is not somehow vividly bad.

 

The most painful part, for me, is the 35 kph speedcap. If they change it back to 40 (or 42? :3) I think I will be quite, altogether, pleased.



johncl #15 Posted 24 February 2016 - 10:46 PM

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First impressions 

 

 

Not as bad as i expected it to be

 

Using the full -10  depression the turret get its fair share of bounces ,,,,The tracks have a uncanny habit of eating shells (like T34)

The speed is poor but its get to 35KPH well ...The hull traverse is not the best ...The gun is a bit random but not as bad as the statistics suggest

 

So overall its average to poor .....But buff the speed to 40KPH give it 4 degrees extra traverse on the hull  and sharpen up the gun a little 

and you will have a nice T8 premium

 

Will WG do this ????  I don't care i lost faith in this game its players and WG in general a long time ago 

 

 



CenturionPuch #16 Posted 25 February 2016 - 03:43 AM

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can't hit anything with it. with a good gun it'd be a decent tank, but it's useless now

tajj7 #17 Posted 25 February 2016 - 10:20 AM

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Yeh it's terrible as expected.

 

Speed to 40 and aim time to 2.3, gun dispersion down by about 30% and it'll be ok, but it'll need quite a few buffs to get competitive and I don't expect those from the first buffs, especially as mentioned above the Cent 1 is crap.

 

The only thing that surprised me is it seems more bouncy than it appears on paper, if the gun was better and you could snap shot more easily you could make better use of it because it seems to benefit from lots of auto-bounce angles and people rushing their shots.

 

 



Toompie #18 Posted 25 February 2016 - 10:33 AM

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View PostVanpizderman, on 24 February 2016 - 01:33 PM, said:

 

decent doesn't mean "crap" and as well as i know, for those 2 tanks you increase wargaming incomes...

 

Well of course, you were talking about premium tanks. The CDC is good as well.

 

The FV though, can't motivate myself enough to play it, I will just wait to see what they change about it before actually having a go in it. Cromwell B is so much fun to play so I have British crew trainer anyway.


Edited by Toompie, 25 February 2016 - 10:33 AM.


mariouus #19 Posted 25 February 2016 - 06:51 PM

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Well... I quess for a free tank, it is not that bad, when compared to Bt-7ART, Toldi and Combat Car,this tank is a real dream.

 

But now seriously, it is a bad tank. Slow, unarmored, terrible gun handling. I could live with the speed and the armor when it would have a great gun. 

 

For a premium medium tank it is expensive to run. 1260.credits to do same damage than T34 (1060.credits) and this is only when shells won't bounce. But often they do, for some reason 20.poinder has an habit to be stopped by tracks.

 

Only plus is that it look kind of nice. But still in current form you have to be mad to buy it.



HidesHisFace #20 Posted 25 February 2016 - 07:00 PM

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My only impression is 450k dmg while NA server got it for nothing. 

 

Not worth neither time, nor effort, especially for a tank that would sit in my garage and gather dust, due to how horrible it is in comparison to even some tier VII premiums...






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