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SirKnumskull #41 Posted 01 March 2016 - 08:51 PM

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View Posthajoittaja, on 01 March 2016 - 07:28 PM, said:

I have never mounted vstab on any other tank than T49 and BC25t, so it's not mandatory.

 

At the tiers you play barely any tank can mount a Vstab anyway.

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View PostSirKnumskull, on 01 March 2016 - 09:51 PM, said:

 

At the tiers you play barely any tank can mount a Vstab anyway.

 

I have played quite a few Tier 9-10 games too, but never used vstab in them (other than the tanks mentioned)...maybe that's why I suck :)

janmb #43 Posted 02 March 2016 - 04:09 PM

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The list of exceptions, where a tank can mount vs tab but you choose not to, is short indeed. 

MRGTB #44 Posted 19 August 2017 - 11:38 PM

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I kept vents and gun rammer on my FV4202 (which I think has 390 view range standard), replaced vstab for optics instead testing. With  BIA on crew, plus Vents and Optics combined - my view range goes to 458 and that isn't even adding food consumable which would boost view range even further to around 478. I'd sooner have the extra extended view range with all those things combined and lose the vstab. But each to their own method of play.


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Well, to be fair this isn't the worst thread to necro.

At least there's no tinfoil


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View PostGaryThomasBolton, on 19 August 2017 - 11:38 PM, said:

 

I kept vents and gun rammer on my FV4202 (which I think has 390 view range standard), replaced vstab for optics instead testing. With  BIA on crew, plus Vents and Optics combined - my view range goes to 458 and that isn't even adding food consumable which would boost view range even further to around 478. I'd sooner have the extra extended view range with all those things combined and lose the vstab. But each to their own method of play.

 

I'd grab rammer and vstab and a optional third if I were you, the view range is nice and all but you are also driving something which ain't exactly a scout and you'd benefit more from improved gun handling than some extra scouting possibilities.

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View PostSuedKAT, on 19 August 2017 - 10:45 PM, said:

 

I'd grab rammer and vstab and a optional third if I were you, the view range is nice and all but you are also driving something which ain't exactly a scout and you'd benefit more from improved gun handling than some extra scouting possibilities.

 

Depends, the FV4202 is not the most agile medium and not really a tank for battling other more agile mediums in. So yes, I do play in two ways (as a scout also that can shoot and do damage at range when need keep distance). It also helps in getting you spotting damage done which helps on the credit earning front if not doing much shooting damage in a match.

 

if I'm shooting at range because I spotted them, they didn't see me. I don't need vStab because I have time to aim and shoot unwary tanks


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It's not mandatory, but you're only hurting yourself by not having it.

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View PostGaryThomasBolton, on 19 August 2017 - 11:49 PM, said:

 

Depends, the FV4202 is not the most agile medium and not really a tank for battling other more agile mediums in. So yes, I do play in two ways (as a scout also that can shoot and do damage at range when need keep distance). It also helps in getting you spotting damage done which helps on the credit earning front if not doing much shooting damage in a match

 

True, I suffered through the Cent I grind a while ago and I can't say it was an pleasant experience, the FV is pretty much the same tank. However utilizing it's gun depression and great penetration yields a lot more and since tier 8 tanks now a days see tier 10 more then ever, it's even more important than ever to be able to pop up, snapping a shoot and retreating. Then the improvement to the gun characteristics helps a lot, especially since the hull armor is worse than on a Honda Civic. Not having Vstab on a tank that can use it is in my opinion to gimp yourself, tests that's been conducted on the matter show pretty much the same thing.

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Use what suits you best. Personally: View-range before anything else. Gun Rammer and Optics are therefore mandatory, regardless of the tank—lights, mediums and heavies alike. Then make the choice between Vents and Vertical Stabs. Tanks with a very bad gun with regards to aiming stats (Centurion Mk I) but excellent view-range I'd go with Vents. The gun will remain mediocre with or without Vert. Stab, that's a fact, so you might as well (in my opinion) maximise the spotting potential. Spotting is what helps your teams win games and there are at least 4 or 5 non-city maps where (even) heavies (namely German, American and British) should do a good amount of spotting.

Edit: That is from tier VII onward. Tier VI and below you don't need Rammer / Vents / Optics on everything you play otherwise you won't have credits for anything else. Binos are just fine although Rammer and (if possible) Vents are recommendable. If you cant'd afford both don't be shy to go with Binos and Camo Net, even on heavies. Better than taking an empty slot. 
 

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View PostLegioCenturion, on 19 August 2017 - 11:28 PM, said:

Use what suits you best. Personally: View-range before anything else. Gun Rammer and Optics are therefore mandatory, regardless of the tank—lights, mediums and heavies alike. Then make the choice between Vents and Vertical Stabs. Tanks with a very bad gun with regards to aiming stats (Centurion Mk I) but excellent view-range I'd go with Vents. The gun will remain mediocre with or without Vert. Stab, that's a fact, so you might as well (in my opinion) maximise the spotting potential. Spotting is what helps your teams win games and there are at least 4 or 5 non-city maps where (even) heavies (namely German, American and British) should do a good amount of spotting.
 

 

spotting in 2017

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Igor_BL #53 Posted 20 August 2017 - 12:34 AM

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only tank i dont use  vstab is 100 LT.

 

it has sick dispersions, better the  140 with vstab...

plus, accuracy will give you a cancer, so ventss plus food can help you a lot....

 

on all other tanks, i use vstab and ramer, where possible.

 

i might not use it on maus and fv215 if i had those,, but probably would s go wifh vstab



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View PostAdzTownstrike, on 19 August 2017 - 11:32 PM, said:

spotting in 2017

xD


It isn't spotting as in a light tank sitting in a bush. Rather spotting for yourself and possibly get assistance damage. Out-spotting is what gives you the edge and there's plenty of non-city and non-fully-open maps where it's very relevant: Fjords (unless one takes a heavy to the silly heavy corner; I never do), Fisherman's Bay, Cliff, even Karelia (sometimes), Live Oaks, Redshire, Overlord and even Mountain Pass. The only heavies that can't spot on these maps are possible the very very slow ones. All others can.



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View PostLegioCenturion, on 19 August 2017 - 11:44 PM, said:


It isn't spotting as in a light tank sitting in a bush. Rather spotting for yourself and possibly get assistance damage. Out-spotting is what gives you the edge and there's plenty of non-city and non-fully-open maps where it's very relevant: Fjords (unless one takes a heavy to the silly heavy corner; I never do), Fisherman's Bay, Cliff, even Karelia (sometimes), Live Oaks, Redshire, Overlord and even Mountain Pass. The only heavies that can't spot on these maps are possible the very very slow ones. All others can.

 

if your at a distance where having optics will actually make a difference your doing it wrong. Get off the redline and push ffs. A cent is made to support and play hulldown and not to snipe and camp...

Like honestly if your within 100m of the enemies your gonna be 100x more useful than if your sat at 300m using your "viewrange" 

just checked your stats and im right... You use optics yet still have spotting ratios of around 1...

Oh and your a reroll... this just gets better and better XD


Edited by AdzTownstrike, 20 August 2017 - 01:11 AM.


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View PostThree_Rounds_Rapid, on 29 February 2016 - 11:07 AM, said:

My setup is;

Heavies - Vstab, Vents, Rammer (exception if they have good view range like the T32 will drop Vents for Optics).

Mediums - Vstab, Optics, Rammer

 

I always mount Vstab if the tank will take it, a greater chance of landing each shot pays off more for me than a slightly faster reload and aim time or slightly better vision.

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View PostAdzTownstrike, on 19 August 2017 - 11:54 PM, said:

Get off the redline and push ffs.


What would be of WOT without idiotic and illiterate toxic passive-aggressive Bobs like you. (Congratulations for making all 4.)  If you don't mind too much I'll use what I so choose, while you can do whatever it is Bobs like you do. And thank you for checking my statistics, even though you don't show anything making me want to return the generosity. I don't have a doubt in my mind there's a very big chance you're obsessed with stats (therefore obsessed by others' stats). Bobs usually do :)

 



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View PostLegioCenturion, on 20 August 2017 - 02:26 AM, said:


What would be of WOT without idiotic and illiterate toxic passive-aggressive Bobs like you. (Congratulations for making all 4.)  If you don't mind too much I'll use what I so choose, while you can do whatever it is Bobs like you do. And thank you for checking my statistics, even though you don't show anything making me want to return the generosity. I don't have a doubt in my mind there's a very big chance you're obsessed with stats (therefore obsessed by others' stats). Bobs usually do :)

 

 

HeHe xD

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View PostAdzTownstrike, on 20 August 2017 - 02:27 AM, said:

HeHe xD


You don't look imbecile at all. But do keep trying ...



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I have played around with most of the options and mostly come to conclusion vents are worthless

 

however, I have dropped rammer on some tanks, eg chaffee, LTG to ensure I get max view range

I have dropped Vstabs on some tanks like t62, e50m and is3.  in t62 and e50m case I put them back on, in is3 case I used vents for extra view range to get 3 marks, then I put vstabs back on

 

 







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