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Little buff for M22 locust or change the mm.


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Soifon99 #1 Posted 16 March 2016 - 11:37 AM

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The problem for me is that the premium shells on this tank are so bad you are almost useless in tier 5 when it comes to doing damage, and yes you can scout bla bla.. but low tier tanks have very bad viewrange so you will be out spotted by tier 5's.

 

and there is another problem, let's say i'm the last tank alive in my m22, against a OI-exp, or a KV1.. then you can't ever win...  you can't pen those kind of tanks with normal or premium ammo(prem =78mm)... so what's the fairness in that?..  all you can do is kill yourself.. or maybe try to cap.. but come on that's so unbalanced..  

 

so my solution is give this tank prem ammo that can pen a kv1 from the sides and back?.. and or change the mm to -1/+1..  

 

so what do you guys think? (and yes im talking about people.. not trolls)

 

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Edited by Soifon99, 16 March 2016 - 11:39 AM.


Eila_Juutilainen #2 Posted 16 March 2016 - 03:37 PM

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View PostSoifon99, on 16 March 2016 - 11:37 AM, said:

you can't pen those kind of tanks with normal or premium ammo(prem =78mm)... so what's the fairness in that?..

 

You can. KV-1's unangled side is 75mm, which you have a chance to penetrate, but it's rear is 50mm on the upper part which is easy. O-I Experimental's side is only partly 70mm, most of it is 35mm+35mm spaced. From the front you can shoot between it's armour plates if he's slightly angled for easy penetrations, or if you get his side you can just laugh at him as he won't be able to point his gun at you.

 

Also, the Locust not only has the best camo of all tier 3 light tanks, but it also keeps it's full camo while moving (not shooting of course), so use that.



Soifon99 #3 Posted 17 March 2016 - 01:46 PM

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yeh good luck with getting to that little strip on the back of the kv1 with 40 dmg a shot... so you have to hit the kv1's back strip 16 times if you roll avg.. not gonna happen before he 2 shots you..   this tank just need a apcr pen buff.. like 90/95 mm..   so you can pen the sides more reliable..  with 78mm of pen on the 75 mm you will pen maybe 40% if you don't hit the tracks..  so even less then..  

 

and there is another problem in trying to pen stuff with 78mm of apcr..  this thing has only 50 shells!!  and half of them won't pen.. so 25x40 dmg =1000 dmg.. whoop..  

 

and i know light tanks keep their camo on the move.. i know the game ;)



Eila_Juutilainen #4 Posted 17 March 2016 - 02:47 PM

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Eh, 40% is a bit of a hyperbole. If you hit the side unangled more than half your shots should go through. By the way, last I checked a Locust is small enough that if you get behind a KV-1, he can't actually shoot you? Anyway, you're talking about a tier 3 having difficulty killing a tier 5... you're supposed to be disadvantaged, so deal with it? Your Locust is fast and stealthy enough to get to that rear armour if you have to. It's not supposed to be easy.

 

 

And a misconception there, not all lights keep their camo while moving. All /scouts/ and a few non-scout lights do, but quite a large number of non-scouts lose camo while moving. http://www.wotinfo.n...l&showLines=100



Soifon99 #5 Posted 18 March 2016 - 01:28 PM

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even war gaming is thinking about changing the mm for tier 3 to -1+1 because they know tier 3 can't deal with tier 5.. and that is no fun so people quit the game before they get any further.. 

 

and yes a tier 3 should have troubles killing a tier 5.. but hey i'm not a bad player and i can say it's almost impossible to kill a kv1. 

 

and come to a training room with me and see how many shots pen the side of a kv1 with the crappy 78 pen apcr..  i think it will be 40 or less %


Edited by Soifon99, 18 March 2016 - 01:30 PM.


Eila_Juutilainen #6 Posted 18 March 2016 - 05:05 PM

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View PostSoifon99, on 18 March 2016 - 01:28 PM, said:

even war gaming is thinking about changing the mm for tier 3 to -1+1 because they know tier 3 can't deal with tier 5.. and that is no fun so people quit the game before they get any further.. 

 

and yes a tier 3 should have troubles killing a tier 5.. but hey i'm not a bad player and i can say it's almost impossible to kill a kv1. 

 

and come to a training room with me and see how many shots pen the side of a kv1 with the crappy 78 pen apcr..  i think it will be 40 or less %

 

Actually, I picked up an Oskin medal on a tier 3 light not long ago. I killed three tier 5 vehicles of which two had full HP...

 

And no, I don't need to go into a training room because I can do math. What I also can is go to tanks.gg, select KV-1, select compare to M22 Locust with APCR, and look at the side to see that I have an up to 57.7% chance to penetrate: http://tanks.gg/wot/...:locust;g000000

 

And again, the rear is 70-100%. Hell, the rear is a 60-70% chance with AP if you shoot the upper part.



Soifon99 #7 Posted 21 March 2016 - 01:45 PM

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View PostEila_Juutilainen, on 18 March 2016 - 05:05 PM, said:

 

Actually, I picked up an Oskin medal on a tier 3 light not long ago. I killed three tier 5 vehicles of which two had full HP...

 

And no, I don't need to go into a training room because I can do math. What I also can is go to tanks.gg, select KV-1, select compare to M22 Locust with APCR, and look at the side to see that I have an up to 57.7% chance to penetrate: http://tanks.gg/wot/...:locust;g000000

 

And again, the rear is 70-100%. Hell, the rear is a 60-70% chance with AP if you shoot the upper part.

 

yeh good for you with you one game in a 100.. that doesn't prove anything..(show me the replay)

 

and good for your and your website stats.. let me see a replay of you proving it's so super easy for you.  because your talking out of your [edited]my friend.

 

even a little angle (which most tanks are) will drop that 57.5% way down..

 

 



Fluffy_The_Destroyer #8 Posted 21 March 2016 - 01:58 PM

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Locust could do with better turn speed. thats all id want. it turns like a beached whale in comparison to T-15

WaffleTiger #9 Posted 21 March 2016 - 02:32 PM

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It's the only tank I came close to 12 kills in besides the old KV1s. 

Eila_Juutilainen #10 Posted 21 March 2016 - 04:33 PM

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View PostSoifon99, on 21 March 2016 - 01:45 PM, said:

 

yeh good for you with you one game in a 100.. that doesn't prove anything..(show me the replay)

 

and good for your and your website stats.. let me see a replay of you proving it's so super easy for you.  because your talking out of your [edited]my friend.

 

even a little angle (which most tanks are) will drop that 57.5% way down..

 

 

 

If you knew anything about replays, you'd know they become unusable whenever the game updates as much as a bugfix. Any patch breaks your ability to post replays. Anyway, my point was not the medal that I got, but that a tier 3 light can in fact handle a tier 5 tank. Is it difficult? Yes. It's supposed to be, he's two tiers higher. He's supposed to have a massive advantage over you, that's how it works. Even more since this is a premium vehicle so you can put like a 3-4 skill M41 Walker Bulldog or T37 crew into it and stomp basically all the other tanks that might not even have basic crew at 100%.

 

And no, I am not talking out of my posterior end. I have, again, not claimed it was easy. But it is doable. You're the one talking rubbish with your numbers that you grasped from thin air. 'A little angle', can I interpret that as 10 degrees? Because at that level you still have 54.9% chance to penetrate. Even at 30 degrees angling you will have more than 30% chance to penetrate...

 



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Locust is absolutely fine as it is, pretty much one of the best T3 tanks.

enjo #12 Posted 02 April 2016 - 12:29 PM

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I love T5 matches as a scout - I just had a game with 2K spotting damage.

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Great little tank!

ThePegasus1979 #14 Posted 27 April 2016 - 11:05 AM

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Still great http://wotreplays.com/site/2629419 , close to 3k XP without double/triple/etc. A solid almost 80% win rate tank.

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View Postenjo, on 02 April 2016 - 12:29 PM, said:

I love T5 matches as a scout - I just had a game with 2K spotting damage.

 

Still love it: http://replays.quick...t.php?id=241141

____prophet____ #16 Posted 16 July 2016 - 12:31 AM

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Just use common sense with your ammo loadout. The AP isn't very useful, it can bounce tier 3s. ACPR against everything that's not arty and it's just fine. Against KV-1s and O-I Exps just side hug and circle them and they die quickly enough.

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View Postalisuorittaja, on 16 July 2016 - 01:31 AM, said:

Against KV-1s and O-I Exps just side hug and circle them and they die quickly enough.

 

Well, Locust has so bad traverse that circling someone who has figured out that his turret and tank can turn simultaneously will have a quick and ugly end.

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Well, Locust has so bad traverse that circling someone who has figured out that his turret and tank can turn simultaneously will have a quick and ugly end -

 

have you told the ' over-powered ' Pz 1C in this game ?? - where I taught him a hard lesson , don't mess with a Locust !!!



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I like the locust, very fun tank after a stressful session. IMO it doesn't need a buff and its one of the only tier 3s that I don't feel handicapped in tier 5 games.

Although I only play it in 2 man full apcr locust platoons :D



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http://wotreplays.co...e/3000607#stats

 

its a good tank, probably my favourite of all the tier 3 premium tanks.






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