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neobrm #1 Posted 19 May 2016 - 11:42 PM

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I have around 700 battles, 1,7k dpg and 2300 wn8 in it, so you can say I don't suck in it. FCM 50t is(was) fun tank to play, you have your view range, you have your dpm, mobility is godlike etc... You HAD all that.

This tank is now crap.

It no longer fits this game design. Why:

- Its a support tank, but it cannot support. With corridor and open maps your dpm is not relevant, you can just poke and shoot like the other guy, and with 240 which is worse than average tier 7 heavy tank, the trade is not good for you. Also, you pen every 3rd shell facing IS3, IS6, 110, t29 after HD rework buffs, they pen you every time

- No armor. Tier 6 pens you from all sides, you have gun depression but no turret armor so hull down is useless, arty shits on you, no camo, big tank hard to miss

 

So, in conclusion: its a BIG heavy tank, but fast like a medium tank, with a medium tank gun and worse armor than average medium tank, and it has very bad gun handling for it to be competitive.

With retarded MM, and shells that go nowhere near where you fully aimed them, with 25% rng on pen and dmg, i struggle in this much more with the recent power creep (unnecessary HD armor buffs, OP medium tank line *cough cough skoda* , retard proof Japan heavy tanks...)

 

Make it a true medium, buff the aim time so that players can actually aim with this potato gun, 

2.1 aim time and 0.33 accuracy. It was already a premium which was hard to play, now its just really underpowered. Or bury this tank in the ground with other crappremiums



IamAimingAtYou #2 Posted 19 May 2016 - 11:55 PM

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If you really can't manage to make the fcm work I have but one thing to say to you:

Spoiler


Homer_J #3 Posted 20 May 2016 - 12:01 AM

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Yeah, buff it.....

 

...and make it meet tier X.

 

Fair?



chr1stos #4 Posted 20 May 2016 - 12:09 AM

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You want to buff the FCM?

Really?

FCM gun has good RoF, good accuracy, good aim time and great pen.

Tank is mobile as a medium and gets armor to go with.

And only sees up to tier 9.

What else do you want.

 



IamAimingAtYou #5 Posted 20 May 2016 - 12:12 AM

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View Postchr1stos, on 19 May 2016 - 11:09 PM, said:

You want to buff the FCM?

Really?

FCM gun has good RoF, good accuracy, good aim time and great pen.

Tank is mobile as a medium and gets armor to go with.

And only sees up to tier 9.

What else do you want.

 

 

Probably for it to be as OP as the type 59 when it first came out, so he too can have his special snowflake tank

somegras #6 Posted 20 May 2016 - 01:02 AM

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It already has special MM for no apparent reason. Buffs are not really needed.

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View Postsomegras, on 20 May 2016 - 01:02 AM, said:

It already has special MM for no apparent reason. Buffs are not really needed.

 

it would be great to face tier 10 in such a slow paper medium heavy heavium what is it?

 

Whilst it is a very capable tank with the MM it has it most certainly would need some buffs if it faced tier 10. it isnt a CDC what would its role be in tier 10? food?



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View PostConor_Notorious_McGregor, on 20 May 2016 - 01:06 AM, said:

 

it would be great to face tier 10 in such a slow paper medium heavy heavium what is it?

 

Whilst it is a very capable tank with the MM it has it most certainly would need some buffs if it faced tier 10. it isnt a CDC what would its role be in tier 10? food?

 

Why not? All the other tier eights are exactly that.

Schepel #9 Posted 20 May 2016 - 01:14 AM

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Are you really saying you want to buff the 50t? I am flabbergasted. No words, really. You are out of your freaking mind.



00O000O00 #10 Posted 20 May 2016 - 01:33 AM

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Why buff it? It's a premium tank, does that automatically mean it should be OP? Why not buff Churchill III ? Or Pz. T25? They are supposed to be worse than standard ones. 

Homer_J #11 Posted 20 May 2016 - 01:38 AM

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View PostConor_Notorious_McGregor, on 20 May 2016 - 12:06 AM, said:

 

it would be great to face tier 10 in such a slow paper medium heavy heavium what is it?

 

Whilst it is a very capable tank with the MM it has it most certainly would need some buffs if it faced tier 10. it isnt a CDC what would its role be in tier 10? food?

 

It got limited mm in the days when heavies carried more mm weight than mediums.  Now tier 8 mediums have the same mm weight as heavies it would not be required.

 

Compare it with the Panther 88 which does see tier X.



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As with every other tier VIII in the game - premium or not - the FCM got devalued with the introduction of the IS-3A and with the IS-3 and IS-6 buffs. 212 no longer reliably pens the front of these tanks. It's probably still better than any other tier VIII medium but its rating as a heavy and subsequent place in the MM often means the opposite team will have more russian heavies lined-up. Adding to the idiotic nature of most maps and the FCM has seen better days.

 

These maps aren't friendly to any support tanks and the FCM is no exception.


Edited by LegioCenturion, 20 May 2016 - 01:44 AM.


Private_Miros #13 Posted 20 May 2016 - 01:42 AM

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Are you really saying you want to buff the 50t? I am flabbergasted. No words, really. You are out of your freaking mind.

 

 

 

Credits due for the excellent formulation of the only valid opinion on the OP.



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View Postneobrm, on 19 May 2016 - 10:42 PM, said:

2.1 aim time and 0.33 accuracy. It was already a premium which was hard to play, now its just really underpowered. Or bury this tank in the ground with other crappremiums

 

Assuming you run optics try dropping them for vents, keeping the vert. stabs and rammer. Doesn't improve the accuracy but with BIA it should completely solve the aim time problem. If you feel it doesn't improve anything, put back the optics. About "bury it with the other crappremiums" the FCM is still the best amongst premium tanks. It is actually a lot better than many tier VIIIs in the tech tree, moreover premiums. But it lost importance due to the complete broken nature of tier VIII games following the IS-3 buffs. The problem isn't with the tank but - little surprisingly - with the game.



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View Postneobrm, on 19 May 2016 - 11:42 PM, said:

 Also, you pen every 3rd shell facing IS3, IS6, 110, t29 after HD rework buffs, they pen you every time

 

To begin with I wholeheartedly agree with the earlier statements in this thread cncerning your mental health.

 

But seriously. If you manage to pen every third shot vs an IS3 with 212 pen you really need to practice your aiming. And sure, they might pen every time, the point is that they shouldn't hit you every time.



Laatikkomafia #16 Posted 20 May 2016 - 04:06 AM

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So a tank that has 1500 hit points, MT-like mobility, 400m view range, good DPM, an accurate gun with good penetration and preferential MM needs a buff?



Predator____ #17 Posted 20 May 2016 - 04:32 AM

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MT-like mobility

 

Yeah if they will make it act again like a medium tank with this "improved phisx", I will probably come back to play this game. Since first day after that patch, engine is horibly painful, no more "good low end acceleration to quickly pull back into cover immediately after firing" - wotlabs.


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spuriousmonkey #18 Posted 20 May 2016 - 04:39 AM

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Aha,

 

Doesn't the FCM have the same gun as the CDC? I see tier X all the time in the CDC. No armour either. Still I think it is ok.

 

I support the notion to buff the FCM to tier X matchmaking.



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View Post00O000O00, on 20 May 2016 - 03:33 AM, said:

Why buff it? It's a premium tank, does that automatically mean it should be OP? Why not buff Churchill III ? Or Pz. T25? They are supposed to be worse than standard ones. 

 

All premium's are supposed to be worse in some aspects to their standard tier peers.

Churchill III is one of the best T5 tanks.

T-25 has the pen,raw DPM and depression.

Wtf are you talking.


Edited by lnfernaI, 20 May 2016 - 05:45 AM.


HugsAndKisses #20 Posted 20 May 2016 - 06:55 AM

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Not really commenting on whether or not you have a valid point, just here to say that IS6 does not automatically penetrate the FCM's frontal armor with standard AP.     





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