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Gaulwa #1 Posted 17 September 2011 - 01:49 AM

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AMX 50 100mm:
2 main models of AMX 50 100mm exist to my knowledge.
The first one had elevated ventilators on top of the hull, like a Tiger/Panther. Plus, the tracks are resting on top of the wheels.
Second model has the ventilators directly integrated onto the top of the hull, and the tracks are suspended above the wheels by smaller ones.
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You can also observe that the front of the hull is flat, and the gun mask for the 100mm cannon is fairly small.
You can clearly see the different ventilators on top of the hull, and a small step/difference of elevation between the turret position, and the rear of the hull.
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I believe the second model with integrated ventilators is the most recent one, as the previous AMX 50 prototype under the name of M4 had elevated ventilators, and all the following models will have integrated ventilators. The same for the tracks.


AMX 50 120mm:

1st generation:
Realised using the second hull of the AMX 50 100mm prototypes, on which they installed a new turret with a 120mm cannon.
You can recognise it with the front of the hull, that is still flat, the step/difference of elevation between the turret position, and the rear of the hull.
Ventilation grids are on top of the hull.
Ventilators are integrated into the hull, unlike the first model of AMX 50 100mm
You can also observe the particular shape of the 120mm cannon's gun mask, that we will continue to see on the second generation, but not on the third. (letting us supposed that the canon got upgraded, even though all 3 models use 120mm shells.)
There is no ventilation grids on the side. (The detail will be important later)
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If you compare with the AMX 50 100mm, you can deduce this is an AMX 50 100 hull, as the front is still a flat plane & other details.
I also think that both AMX 50 100mm hull were converted to 120mm, but I have no proof. This would explain the mention of two AMX 50 120mm we sometimes hear about.
Front hull armor: 90mm


2nd generation: (Most probably the AMX 50 "uparmoured")
Top of the hull is flat. The difference of elevation has been removed.
Front of the hull is now edged/angular to deflect incoming shells
Ventilation grids are on top of the hull.
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Front hull armor: Unknown


3rd generation: (AMX 50B, also called AMX 50 "lowered")
Top of the hull is flat.
Front of the hull is now perfectly smooth, and cast as one piece, making it more resistant than the usual welded pieces you find on the IS serie.
Ventilation is on the Side and rear of the hull.
The rear part of the hull is lowered, giving it a unique tracks shape.
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Front hull armor: 80mm

This last model is known to have been tested with 4 different turrets. But only 3 are known to me:
T0B.120
TCB 120 (St Chalmont)
Turret D Side view, Front view. Looks very similar to T0B.120, but I think they are different ones. The lower rear part of the turret seems different. Turret D takes slightly less volume.

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And now, a POP quizz for all of you who managed to read so far!

Here are our current in-game tanks:
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Tier 10
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Can you guess all 3 tanks real names ?

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... wait do you mean their in game names?... if so...

AMX-50 100mm

AMX-50 120mm

AMX-50 68t

RoyalViperX #4 Posted 17 September 2011 - 06:32 AM

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they're lookin good :P

the AMX-50 120mm looks like the M103  B)

by the way, the ingame names are not like Xenonorph said (  almost like he said  :lol: )

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AMX-50 100mm

AMX-50 120mm

AMX-50 68t AMX 68t   <_<



Jovisfulmina #5 Posted 17 September 2011 - 11:00 AM

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AMX 50 100mm
AMX 50B 120mm
AMX 50B 120mm

I found sad we get two times the same tank with just a different turret, whereas they could use the AMX50 120 higher version with the IS7-like pike nose front hull  :huh:

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View PostRoyalViperX, on 17 September 2011 - 06:32 AM, said:

they're lookin good :P

the AMX-50 120mm looks like the M103  B)

by the way, the ingame names are not like Xenonorph said (  almost like he said  :lol: )

AMX-50-68t <-- OL's blog

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But who knows when the final tree is given to us... because the above is from last november... i think given by the OP actually...

Gaulwa #7 Posted 17 September 2011 - 03:29 PM

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Currently in-game, the AMX 68t is an AMX 50B.


There -IS- a serie of AMX 65t, 68t, and 70t, all based on the M4 prototypes. The plans were drawn around 1950, and are vastly outdated compared to the AMX 50 serie.
65t and 68t only had 90mm of frontal armor, 70t barely reached 130mm.

No glacis at the front, tracks aren't suspended, aeration etc. You can see it's an old generation. Yet, it weight 10 more tons than an AMX 50B, for the same protection.

The 68t has nothing to do in Tier10, and it doesn't correspond to the model in-game anyway. In-game is an AMX 50B


BTW, regarding the names, French never used the symbol "-" in the names. It's:
AMX 50 100mm
AMX 50 120mm
AMX 50B
AMX 65t
AMX 68t
AMX 70t
etc.
The exact form of some names is debatable as they were all prototypes, and never a final product.
But the official designation for the AMX 50 serie is "AMX 50". Without "-".

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View PostGaulois, on 17 September 2011 - 03:29 PM, said:

There -IS- a serie of AMX 65t, 68t, and 70t, all based on the M4 prototypes. The plans were drawn around 1950, and are vastly outdated compared to the AMX 50 serie.
65t and 68t only had 90mm of frontal armor, 70t barely reached 130mm.
Personally I read 189.62 and 201.45 for the front armor of the 70t.  :huh:

Edit: D'Oh ! Didn't thought that could be the LOS thickness, thanks for the explanations.

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189.62 looks to be the effective armor without pike nose, only with the angle (52°from the horizontal). So the armor would be around 145.5mm I did a mistake, it's 38° from the horizontal, so the armor is around 116.7mm

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View PostSouroy, on 17 September 2011 - 04:48 PM, said:

Personally I read 189.62 and 201.45 for the front armor of the 70t.  :huh:

no, you are supposed to take a mesurement perpendicular to the armor to mesurate the thickness.
Otherwise, depending on the angle, we could argue this tank had 3000mm of armor.

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Oh this is from the lastest internal french tree build?... or something to that effect...

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View PostXenomorphZeta, on 17 September 2011 - 07:59 PM, said:

Oh this is from the lastest internal french tree build?... or something to that effect...

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The file you posted is from me.
It was given to me by the developpers around October 2010, one year ago.

We have no news regarding the developpment of the French tanks since 2010, except the few articles and interviews by GoHa.ru, and they all make the same names & model mistakes.

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Erm... not what I particular ment but you answered my question regardless...

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From this Photo, we can also observe the AMX 50 100mm had two different turrets. No other info is available.

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Huh, the turret of the AMX on the right looks awfully like the Char Somua SM
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alibet with a few minor differences...

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Has the AMX-50 68t been officially renamed into AMX-50 B, btw? It's listed as such in the release schedule at least.

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View PostGigaton, on 14 October 2011 - 05:00 PM, said:

Has the AMX-50 68t been officially renamed into AMX-50 B, btw? It's listed as such in the release schedule at least.

shhhtt, or they'll take another month of delay to edit the powerpoint :Smile-hiding:

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View PostWaroch, on 14 October 2011 - 06:47 PM, said:

shhhtt, or they'll take another month of delay to edit the powerpoint :Smile-hiding:
Lol. :lol:
Quite true... <_<

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first thing people should notice is that the tier 8, 9 and 10s are all SMALL. This means get a wolfpack of them, im guessing they can move like an e50? Then use the high rof to derp one tank a shot whilst maintaining high hp and armour.

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Do we know if AMX 50 - 120mm we see in those screenshots is Elite or what ?

Don't it have the oscillating turreat as the others ?