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Community #1 Posted 23 June 2016 - 03:52 PM

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This month’s Clan Spotlight focuses on clan SGTA — a large training clan, dedicated to teaching players how to play World of Tanks for the last 4 years.

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rancidpunk #2 Posted 23 June 2016 - 06:29 PM

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Isn't this a record 2nd appearance in the clan spotlight? Well deserved all round!

goedeboer #3 Posted 23 June 2016 - 06:38 PM

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Is it? They played their last CW battle on 14-10-2015 and only 20 skirmishes over the last 28 days. I dont know how much trainings they play, but they definitly dont practice a lot against real opponents. Maybe they train only in randoms, but if the goal is to train every aspect of WOT, cw and sh should be played a lot more.

Brainfarter #4 Posted 23 June 2016 - 06:49 PM

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Take a look at www.sgta-clan.com before you conclude too rapidly 

rancidpunk #5 Posted 23 June 2016 - 07:44 PM

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View Postgoedeboer, on 23 June 2016 - 05:38 PM, said:

Is it? They played their last CW battle on 14-10-2015 and only 20 skirmishes over the last 28 days. I dont know how much trainings they play, but they definitly dont practice a lot against real opponents. Maybe they train only in randoms, but if the goal is to train every aspect of WOT, cw and sh should be played a lot more.

 

They aren't a CW clan bro and you have no idea how much time and effort is put in to providing the training they do.

 

You also need to appreciate that a lot of the students are just starting out in WoT and haven't got as far as even tier 6 yet so the task of putting together a full CW team is almost impossible.

 

Campaigns give them more chance to compete at the lower tier events but even then there aren't enough hours in a day to provide instruction to 80+ students in platoons or one on one plus lessons!

 

 



Brynd #6 Posted 23 June 2016 - 07:45 PM

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View Postrancidpunk, on 23 June 2016 - 06:29 PM, said:

Isn't this a record 2nd appearance in the clan spotlight? Well deserved all round!

 

Yes it is. And agreed! :great:   

Three_Rounds_Rapid #7 Posted 23 June 2016 - 07:49 PM

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Next lesson from the Specialist Global Tank Academy -Team Tactics- tomorrow Friday 24/6.

This lessons are open to all, sign up info below;

 

[Teamskills] Team Tactics

 

Start time: 2016-06-24 18:00 UTC 20.00CET

 

-Team Tactics-

You can expect the full package, so bring time. Two hours at least, two and a half most likely.

Topics:
- Mindset
- Fire lines
- Focus fire
- Push/Rush
- Shielding
- etc

Curriculum Link:
https://docs.google....it?pref=2&pli=1

 

 

Calendar manual for students:
http://www.sgta-clan...ic.php?f=29&t=2

 

SGTA Calendar for lessons and events

http://www.sgta-clan...p/calendar-view

 

SGTA TeamSpeak Info

http://www.sgta-clan...pic.php?f=7&t=9

 

In-game SGTA Academy Channel

http://www.sgta-clan...pic.php?f=7&t=8

 

SGTA have produced a very comprehensive guide to WoT, the Tankers Handbook. This is free to download and contains lots of useful information and tips.

 

"The Handbook covers everything from the basic stuff like game mechanics, tanks and their roles to more advanced stuff such as tactics, situational awareness and how to beat randomness with skill. Finally at the end of the book you will find guides for crew skills, matchmaking etc. But also a handy guide how your own attitude can improve your gameplay."

 

https://mega.nz/#!mh...mhxD31S3gP1CF-w

Three_Rounds_Rapid #8 Posted 23 June 2016 - 07:53 PM

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View Postgoedeboer, on 23 June 2016 - 06:38 PM, said:

Is it? They played their last CW battle on 14-10-2015 and only 20 skirmishes over the last 28 days. I dont know how much trainings they play, but they definitly dont practice a lot against real opponents. Maybe they train only in randoms, but if the goal is to train every aspect of WOT, cw and sh should be played a lot more.

 

You missed the beginning of the year where we had Stronghold defense everyday and T8 and T6 skirmishes. Pretty good win rate (70% plus) for a training clan, just ask some of the elite cw clan teams we bested :izmena:

goedeboer #9 Posted 23 June 2016 - 09:04 PM

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View Postrancidpunk, on 23 June 2016 - 07:44 PM, said:

 

They aren't a CW clan bro and you have no idea how much time and effort is put in to providing the training they do.

 

You also need to appreciate that a lot of the students are just starting out in WoT and haven't got as far as even tier 6 yet so the task of putting together a full CW team is almost impossible.

 

Campaigns give them more chance to compete at the lower tier events but even then there aren't enough hours in a day to provide instruction to 80+ students in platoons or one on one plus lessons!

 

 

 

I don't know all details of SGTA, I only observed some stats about the clan. Are all students also members of SGTA clan? If so, then i dont see 80+ student groups. Only 45 members have more then 100 battles played last month which I consider active players. From those 45 members are 6 members with less then 5k battles played who you could consider as just starting out.

Don't get me wrong, I like the idea and it sounds like a great initiative, but I don't see much active players in SGTA who are starters and need training.

Perhaps I'm missing some important pieces of the puzzle, just let me know. On the website the latest update on the frontpage dates June 2015. On the calender I see two trainings planned per week which seem pretty nice.



StreetsAhead #10 Posted 23 June 2016 - 09:49 PM

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View Postgoedeboer, on 23 June 2016 - 09:04 PM, said:

 

I don't know all details of SGTA, I only observed some stats about the clan. Are all students also members of SGTA clan? If so, then i dont see 80+ student groups. Only 45 members have more then 100 battles played last month which I consider active players. From those 45 members are 6 members with less then 5k battles played who you could consider as just starting out.

Don't get me wrong, I like the idea and it sounds like a great initiative, but I don't see much active players in SGTA who are starters and need training.

Perhaps I'm missing some important pieces of the puzzle, just let me know. On the website the latest update on the frontpage dates June 2015. On the calender I see two trainings planned per week which seem pretty nice.

Dude



Three_Rounds_Rapid #11 Posted 23 June 2016 - 09:58 PM

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SGTA Instructors

Below is a list of some of the current SGTA instructors who generously give up their time to teach;


Edited by Three_Rounds_Rapid, 23 June 2016 - 09:59 PM.


zakktell #12 Posted 24 June 2016 - 08:18 AM

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View PostThree_Rounds_Rapid, on 23 June 2016 - 08:58 PM, said:

SGTA Instructors

Below is a list of some of the current SGTA instructors who generously give up their time to teach;

 

Well and at least half of them haven't played a battle in one week and almost all of them haven't played 100 battles last month!They only log in to the game to play practice rooms nowadays or what?



Old_Viking_DK #13 Posted 24 June 2016 - 08:55 AM

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View Postzakktell_a_fereghajtany, on 24 June 2016 - 07:18 AM, said:

 

Well and at least half of them haven't played a battle in one week and almost all of them haven't played 100 battles last month!They only log in to the game to play practice rooms nowadays or what?

 

Well maby that is cause they spend much time beeing instructors for us traniees that they use there free time douing that  so they dont have much time to actually play randoms and other modes.

Edited by Old_Viking_DK, 24 June 2016 - 08:56 AM.


zakktell #14 Posted 24 June 2016 - 09:08 AM

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View PostOld_Viking_DK, on 24 June 2016 - 07:55 AM, said:

 

Well maby that is cause they spend much time beeing instructors for us traniees that they use there free time douing that  so they dont have much time to actually play randoms and other modes.

 

Ofc.But is it enough just to play training rooms?It will not prepare you for the randoms.Also there are some of them who actually played a lot of battles?So this means he has a lot of free time or he doesn't train you?

Old_Viking_DK #15 Posted 24 June 2016 - 09:17 AM

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View Postzakktell_a_fereghajtany, on 24 June 2016 - 08:08 AM, said:

 

Ofc.But is it enough just to play training rooms?It will not prepare you for the randoms.Also there are some of them who actually played a lot of battles?So this means he has a lot of free time or he doesn't train you?

 

Well we have some realistic tranins we just dont yolo around when we are in traning sessions.

 



zakktell #16 Posted 24 June 2016 - 09:22 AM

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View PostOld_Viking_DK, on 24 June 2016 - 08:17 AM, said:

 

Well we have some realistic tranins we just dont yolo around when we are in traning sessions.

 

 

But still it is not the real thing because in randoms people yolo around and if you are focused in a training room with your friends and can coordinate and play as a team  a lot of things are easier.But in the randoms you just play against 29 other people and there is no chance to coordinate the same way as in trainings.

Old_Viking_DK #17 Posted 24 June 2016 - 09:31 AM

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View Postzakktell_a_fereghajtany, on 24 June 2016 - 08:22 AM, said:

 

But still it is not the real thing because in randoms people yolo around and if you are focused in a training room with your friends and can coordinate and play as a team  a lot of things are easier.But in the randoms you just play against 29 other people and there is no chance to coordinate the same way as in trainings.

 

no that is right. But you can learn different things that can help you as a individual player when you play in randoms, unless it is team battle traning, it feels like traning is tactics and where to go/use map and so on in randoms. 

rancidpunk #18 Posted 24 June 2016 - 09:42 AM

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View Postgoedeboer, on 23 June 2016 - 08:04 PM, said:

 

I don't know all details of SGTA, I only observed some stats about the clan. Are all students also members of SGTA clan? If so, then i dont see 80+ student groups. Only 45 members have more then 100 battles played last month which I consider active players. From those 45 members are 6 members with less then 5k battles played who you could consider as just starting out.

Don't get me wrong, I like the idea and it sounds like a great initiative, but I don't see much active players in SGTA who are starters and need training.

Perhaps I'm missing some important pieces of the puzzle, just let me know. On the website the latest update on the frontpage dates June 2015. On the calender I see two trainings planned per week which seem pretty nice.

 

 

View Postzakktell_a_fereghajtany, on 24 June 2016 - 08:22 AM, said:

 

But still it is not the real thing because in randoms people yolo around and if you are focused in a training room with your friends and can coordinate and play as a team  a lot of things are easier.But in the randoms you just play against 29 other people and there is no chance to coordinate the same way as in trainings.

 

As far as I remember students generally stayed with the clan until they had reached a good WN8, whether through randoms in SGTA platoons or TC battles or randoms on their own. Apart from scheduled lessons, learning the maps in detail for each class of vehicle in the training room took up a fair bit of time and there was a lot of time spent teaching the specifics of subjects like sidescraping, angling etc. which again was done in the training rooms.

 

It would be almost impossible to teach anything in the chaos of random battles but the point was that students would go into a random battle knowing the best place for their specific vehicle to be on that map, how to play their vehicle to use it's characteristics best and with a better understanding of the mechanics of the game.

 

Not being a real army there was never a time limit on "Basic Training", it's still just a game after all but as we all know if you take it semi seriously then getting good at anything takes an awful lot of practice so perhaps getting some of that practice in a training room with people who have the experience is understandable?



Joggaman #19 Posted 24 June 2016 - 02:57 PM

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SGTA - a hard working Tank Academy!

Keep up the good work. 

 

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Edited by Joggaman, 24 June 2016 - 02:57 PM.


Vallu01 #20 Posted 25 June 2016 - 12:16 AM

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We are not a CW clan so we don't have many CW battles. Stronghold defences, Skirmishes and Team Battles are done when there is enough interest from the members. Right now we are not doing any regularly.

 

Our lessons focus mostly on individual skills and randoms as that's what most play. Team Tactics lessons are also available for those interested. Our curriculum lessons are all done in training rooms while 1 on 1 lessons are usually done in platoons. Skirmishes are usually used for training in team based game modes.

 

All of our lessons are free for everyone to join so only the more active ones join the clan itself. We train people of different skill levels as well, so just because someone has over 5k battles doesn't mean he's not training. Over the years many of our newer instructors have kept taking lessons from the more experienced instructors. You can't just expect to few lessons and be done with it. It takes months to get good, and years to get really great. Lot of our instructors play periodically sometimes more active sometimes less. Personally I'm enjoying summer right now and only logging in to do lessons/skirmishes.

 

But it's true there are only a few people who are willing to take lessons and even fewer willing to organise them. There are always plenty of people wanting to get good at WoT, but when you tell them they actually need to do something themselves almost all of them magically disappear. Those few who actually join lessons and platoon with instructors always see their stats a lot better. Usually we have 10-20 active students at any given time. Out of which 2-5 platoon with instructors. Only thing we can do is make our lessons as easy to find and join as possible. You know what they say "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink"






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