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Kupsztas #1 Posted 24 June 2016 - 03:34 PM

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This is the replacement for Lorraine 40t, which is gonna happen in next patch. 

After testing it for a few battles on test server, the most important stuff is:

 

gun is basicly the same. 

mobility is simmilar. I think that it turns better, but accelerates slower.

It has better camo, but worse view range.

but the most important change is... 

IT HAS A SEPARATE LOADER! enjoy playing with one freshman among your crew, because last time you had a separate loader in that line it was never. haha, jokes on you WG, let's put a crew member lowering overall camouflage skill and repairs skill on the crew just to make it feel worse than previous tanks.

the only way to really play this tank is to borrow a skilled loader from other tank line. otherwise, with 0 perk crew member you won't be so sneaky, your bia will be broken and your tracks won't be repaired in 4 seconds. 



Eila_Juutilainen #2 Posted 24 June 2016 - 03:42 PM

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View PostKupsztas, on 24 June 2016 - 03:34 PM, said:

 

IT HAS A SEPARATE LOADER! enjoy playing with one freshman among your crew, because last time you had a separate loader in that line it was never. haha, jokes on you WG, let's put a crew member lowering overall camouflage skill and repairs skill on the crew just to make it feel worse than previous tanks.

the only way to really play this tank is to borrow a skilled loader from other tank line. otherwise, with 0 perk crew member you won't be so sneaky, your bia will be broken and your tracks won't be repaired in 4 seconds. 

 

But now it at least matches your premium tanks, right? Right?

 

...I'll let myself out :hiding:



Kupsztas #3 Posted 24 June 2016 - 03:50 PM

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oh, one important thing I forgot about. Lorraine 40t had 8 degrees of gun depression, Bat-Chat 25 t AP shares 6 degrees with his bigger brother 

Meglodon #4 Posted 30 June 2016 - 05:32 AM

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dont forget the 5 more seconds of clip reload. 

 

taking probably the worst aspect of the lorraine and making it worse.


Edited by Meglodon, 30 June 2016 - 05:32 AM.


Eokokok #5 Posted 30 June 2016 - 08:50 AM

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It has loader atm, but WG is considering removing it, so maybe wait with whinning until it goes live? No? Thought so...

Meglodon #6 Posted 30 June 2016 - 05:46 PM

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yeah lets all keep quiet and not give feedback until crapgoes live. Because beta/testing is not about giving feedback.



th013 #7 Posted 01 July 2016 - 12:41 AM

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Just tried it - and I saw and experienced that extra crew problem - at least, current owners should get additional crew member with average skill of existing 3 crew... that would be only fair.

Reload is a bit of big nerf, especially comparing it to t54e1.

Considering size, camo values should be better... its just slightly more stealthy than Lorr 40 (14.7 / 11.2) , 25 t AP is 19,4 /14.5, 

but way lower than BC25t - 28.5/21.4 in test....

 although made 3.6K spot dmg on Prohkorovka (basically, all tanks were tier X in game, and no team had LT in game).

 



RePlayBoy101 #8 Posted 27 July 2016 - 11:06 PM

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well its a slower batchat with a crap gun

 

statitically its worse than the lorraine 40t 



Balc0ra #9 Posted 28 July 2016 - 12:37 AM

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View PostRePlayBoy101, on 27 July 2016 - 11:06 PM, said:

well its a slower batchat with a crap gun

 

statitically its worse than the lorraine 40t 

 

It has the exact same gun as the Lorr 40. It's smaller then the Lorr 40. It's more agile then the Lorr 40. And it's camo value is 10x better. So it can double as a passive scout if need be. IMO it's better in every aspect then the Lorr as I hated the Lorr and love this so far. It's what the line is all about. It's a bully medium with a low profile and fast speeds. Lorr was taller then even the 50 100, an aspect I hated about it. Only thing that is crap about it is the low ammo load. Thus mixing ammo types is just a waste of time.

Edited by Balc0ra, 28 July 2016 - 12:39 AM.


Signal11th #10 Posted 28 July 2016 - 09:14 AM

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Not that impressed with it. Usual problem of low ammo count, way too slow to reverse it's basically a tier 9 version of the 13 90 pretending to be a medium just more sluggish. low hp as well for my liking.

DefeatedUranus #11 Posted 28 July 2016 - 10:12 AM

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Played several games in this now, been great fun to play, it's like a 13 90 on steroids. Only problem I have with it so far is how easily the engine gets damaged, or is it just me?

TheR3dBaron #12 Posted 28 July 2016 - 11:04 AM

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View PostDefeatedUranus, on 28 July 2016 - 10:12 AM, said:

Played several games in this now, been great fun to play, it's like a 13 90 on steroids. Only problem I have with it so far is how easily the engine gets damaged, or is it just me?

 

I suppose you got lucky, my ammorack and gun also went tits up. I already miss the Lorraine. I did plan on using that to ram a one tier higher tank to death. Only did 2 games in it so far.



siramra #13 Posted 28 July 2016 - 06:47 PM

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View PostDefeatedUranus, on 28 July 2016 - 10:12 AM, said:

Played several games in this now, been great fun to play, it's like a 13 90 on steroids. Only problem I have with it so far is how easily the engine gets damaged, or is it just me?

 

Nope. I loose either my engine,ammorack or driver every game....or all of them. I`m considering using 2 repairkits.

lecoche #14 Posted 28 July 2016 - 09:58 PM

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Worse than Lorraine 40t : giving up acceleration and gun and height (was useful to negate enemy sloped armor at close range ) for slightly better camo. Thank you wharegaiming. Nerfing was really much needed? Because putting retarded amx1390s brother(which was already subar) in T9 was pretty useful...


Edited by lecoche, 28 July 2016 - 10:03 PM.


FuseNet #15 Posted 29 July 2016 - 10:57 AM

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View PostDefeatedUranus, on 28 July 2016 - 10:12 AM, said:

Played several games in this now, been great fun to play, it's like a 13 90 on steroids. Only problem I have with it so far is how easily the engine gets damaged, or is it just me?

 

View PostTheR3dBaron, on 28 July 2016 - 11:04 AM, said:

 

I suppose you got lucky, my ammorack and gun also went tits up. I already miss the Lorraine. I did plan on using that to ram a one tier higher tank to death. Only did 2 games in it so far.

 

I can confirm this. Its really prone to module damage. Played 20 games, damaged engine like every 2nd match. But: I never catched a fire, IIRC. So it looks like (unlike the T10 BC) you dont have fuel tanks in the front. Hence: Todday I will try what also R3dBaron suggested: cut the fire ext. and run it with double repkit instead.

 

Overall It still feels like a noticable improvement over the Lorr (even though I even somehow liked the Lorr). Biggest downside so far is... 6 clips capacity? Really? QQ


Edited by FuseNet, 29 July 2016 - 10:59 AM.


TheR3dBaron #16 Posted 29 July 2016 - 05:34 PM

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http://wotreplays.com/site/2841601

 

Here's one of my performances. I haven't played particularly well, but that's maybe because I don't like the tank anymore. 12 shots, 7 hits, 3 pens, but it was poor play with that Chieftain.

 

Anyways, besides the damage the tank gets, the gun feels a lot worse than on the Lorraine, or is that just me? The Lorraine seemed to pen a lot more even from distance. It's the top gun from the AMX 50 100 and the Lorraine had the same if I remember well. The AMX 50 100 got a lot worse after the accuracy nerf as well.

 

Nearly finished the 1st skill on this tank. It's a new crew because I liked the Lorraine. I'm guessing this crew will move on to the AMX 30 line which I haven't started yet and I will sell this one. But it brings me to the last question. What is the crew problem? The Lorraine had 3 and this one as well. What am I missing out on?



OneSock #17 Posted 29 July 2016 - 07:05 PM

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I'm not sold on the low profile and camo advantage really. It's sort of negated by the view range nerf.

 

I agree that the gun seems worse than on the Lorr, and certainly the traverse and turret traverse are horrible. You cannot circle an enemy and keep the gun locked on as it's too slow to turn.


That's the biggest flaw.



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lecoche #19 Posted 30 July 2016 - 11:58 PM

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I think the clever people writing the game code put the same weaker values for both the top gun and second gun... Can you make them double check please?

Edited by lecoche, 30 July 2016 - 11:59 PM.


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