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Pablo_Amenable #1 Posted 15 July 2016 - 06:23 PM

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Motherboard  - Asus H110M-K (LGA 1151, DDR4, 2133mhz) 58.22Eur


CPU - Intel I3 6100 (3,7ghz, 4 threads, skylake) 125.61Eur


RAM - Kingston 8GB (DDR4, 2133mhz, Cl-15) 36,59Eur


PSU - Cooler Master B600 59,50Eur


HDD - Samsung HD501LJ SCSI (465GB, from old PC) 0,00Eur


SSD - A-DATA SSD PREMIER PRO SP550 (120GB, 560 read speed) 38,94Eur


GPU - Gigabyte Radeon R9 380 4GB G1GAMING 214Eur

 

Case - Old case

 

 

Focus would be to get above 60fps on highest graphics and as a second game to do as good as possible in would be Arma 3.

 

 

Right now my specs are

 

Motherboard - M52S-S3P (DDR2, released in 2007)

 

CPU - Amd Athlon x2 6000+ (3,00 MHz, 2 cores, released in 2007)

 

Ram -  A-Data PC2-6400 (400MHz, 4x 1gb)

 

PSU - Codegen 400W

 

GPU - Radeon R7 240

 

Running world of tanks on standart graphics and all minimal settings. Isn't the most fun thing. Arma III too, most minimal graphics. CS Go doesn't lag tho. :) So no matter what it will be a huge improvement.

 

Any ideas how to make this PC better without breaking the budget of 500-550euros? Maybe I should switch some parts? Thank you for any info :)

 


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Homer_J #2 Posted 15 July 2016 - 06:41 PM

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You are spending far too much on a GPU for WoT, and the last time I looked into it the difference between DDR3 and DDR4 wasn't worth it.

 

You could probably save a few Euro on the PSU too.

 

I suggest a cheaper DDR3 M/B, DDR3 memory, fastest clock speed Intel processor you can afford, keep your old GPU and then you should get away with your current PSU.

 

If you then find the GPU is holding you back it's an easy upgrade.

 

What about operating system?



Pablo_Amenable #3 Posted 15 July 2016 - 06:57 PM

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View PostHomer_J, on 15 July 2016 - 07:41 PM, said:

You are spending far too much on a GPU for WoT, and the last time I looked into it the difference between DDR3 and DDR4 wasn't worth it.

 

You could probably save a few Euro on the PSU too.

 

I suggest a cheaper DDR3 M/B, DDR3 memory, fastest clock speed Intel processor you can afford, keep your old GPU and then you should get away with your current PSU.

 

If you then find the GPU is holding you back it's an easy upgrade.

 

What about operating system?

 

R7 240 is simply a terrible graphics card. Like really terrible. My card that came with my PC 7-8 years ago was better (Radeon HD 3870)

https://www.youtube....h?v=sph6cjJeRdI

 

Intel I3 6100 is simply the best bang for the bucks as it has an amazing single core performance, 4 threads.

 

Motherboard is complicated since I need LGA 1151 connection and 85% of choices are DDR4 anyways. Price difference between DDR4 and DDR3 is really minor (at least on website that Im buying from), it differs by 2-3euros or are pretty much the same.

 

I agree that I need a better PSU, but there is no way to find one without spending too much money in Lithuania. I can order one from EVGA but shipping costs are no no. :/

I'll keep looking for a better choice since I agree this one isn't trustworthy enough. :)

 

And yes I think GPU is an overkill too. But I'm still playing other games like Arma III, Arma II, would love to replay assassins creed black flag since it was pain for my eyes to play on minimum graphics... :/ Do you have an offer for GPU? I was told that my I3 6100 wont bottleneck any gpus up to 970s level, unless it is a very cpu hungry game

 

 

 



Nokkeli #4 Posted 15 July 2016 - 08:34 PM

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I would really consider an i5 instead of the i3. The i5 will be noticeably faster and will last longer than the i3. The i3 may have 4 threads but in the end it's just a dual core cpu and what i have heard is that it might become a bottleneck already with the gpu you have selected (i really hate amd gpu's so i would not have any personal experience and i'm just repeating what i have heard). In the end i would really recommend you get an i5 and also join the elite club of geforce users :P

 

I have an first gen i7(the i7-920), gtx 760 and 6gb of mem. I have 3 1080p monitors and with my setup i can watch a stream on source quality, play WoT (or any other game) and have several processes running in the background, and with this in WoT (settings around high) i get 60-110fps depending on map and how much action there is around you. So basically at the start i get 60fps and then the rest of the match it's pretty steady around 100fps. I'm saying this because i doubt i could do this with an i3 even if it was a newer one.

 

I hope i explained that somewhat clearly, if not then just ask me. Good luck :great:



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You're spending too much on a crappy PSU, look for something like the Corsair CX450M or the Cooler Master GM G450M

Besides that, something like the R7 370 will be enough for wot.

 

Also, the advice to go for a DDR3 mobo, aka socket 1150 is crap advice, there is absolutely no reason to go for an older architecture now. So yeah, just get the cheapest H110 motherboard, dump an i3-6100 (WoT uses one core and is CPU dependant so the high single core performance will come in handy) in there and add like a R7 370. PSU's I mentioned, cheap yet good quality PSU's unlike the CM B600 which is bad. and yes 450w it enough, system will use like 200w max. 8GB of ram and then an SSD and I'd reccomend 240GB for the SSD, is only like 10 euros more than 120GB SSD's

 

My cousin has a similar PC build, i3-6100 and GTX 950 and can play WoT on high with about 100fps, I have an i5-6400 and R9 380 myself and everything maxed out, which gives a stable ~80fps

 

Sorry for the short and quick answer but yeah, playing games and stuff, cant really tab out the long :P

 


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Pablo_Amenable #6 Posted 15 July 2016 - 10:17 PM

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Ok try nr 2

 

 

Thank you very much for the offers, especially you Waffle



TsundereWaffle #7 Posted 16 July 2016 - 09:19 AM

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Hm, still not a great PSU but better than the Cooler Master one. Other than that it is a good list. Do you have Be Quiet! PSU's there? Because they do have a decent 400w PSU.

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Not bad that latest build. Still a few changes  i would make:

 

  1. get two 4gb mem modules instead of one 8gb. Reason is that your system has two channels for the mem, leaving one empty would waste performance. This might cost you about 10€ more but it is worth it.
  2. You could knock off 10-20€ by choosing a 400-450W PSU. I have one of the bigger Silverstone Strider ones and it has been great, the one i could recommend is the 400W Strider essential (around 40€;) and if you want to be sure you can take the 500W strider and that would be 48€. (iirc these are made by seasonic and you don't get better PSU's than that.)
  3. The mobo you have selected is an mini ITX and i would not recommend using one for an desktop PC build (for gaming) unless your case does not support anything bigger. So what i would recommend is get an ATX mobo even if it costs 50€ more, as mini ITX is really meant for HTPC systems and multimedia rather than gaming. 
  4. Other points: The CPU should be fine for WoT but if you want to think about the future i would recommend considering an i5, an i5 is about 100€ more but could last you a lot longer than an i3.

 

I hope that helps. :)



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View PostNokkeli, on 16 July 2016 - 12:49 PM, said:

Not bad that latest build. Still a few changes  i would make:

 

  1. get two 4gb mem modules instead of one 8gb. Reason is that your system has two channels for the mem, leaving one empty would waste performance. This might cost you about 10€ more but it is worth it.
  2. You could knock off 10-20€ by choosing a 400-450W PSU. I have one of the bigger Silverstone Strider ones and it has been great, the one i could recommend is the 400W Strider essential (around 40€;) and if you want to be sure you can take the 500W strider and that would be 48€. (iirc these are made by seasonic and you don't get better PSU's than that.)
  3. The mobo you have selected is an mini ITX and i would not recommend using one for an desktop PC build (for gaming) unless your case does not support anything bigger. So what i would recommend is get an ATX mobo even if it costs 50€ more, as mini ITX is really meant for HTPC systems and multimedia rather than gaming. 
  4. Other points: The CPU should be fine for WoT but if you want to think about the future i would recommend considering an i5, an i5 is about 100€ more but could last you a lot longer than an i3.

 

I hope that helps. :)

 

1. it has two memory slots, so he should use 1x8GB

2. PSU could indeed be better, but it completely depends on the pricing in his country

3. it's mATX and going for ATX has no use for him really, it only adds more costs.

4. I'd wont do that, he should stick with the i3 and if he notices that he cant run games anymore in a couple of years then he can always just slam an i5 into the mobo.



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I did look at the wrong mobo initially and this one was and mATX indeed, sorry for that. Still i feel you should go for the ATX mobo (might make your life easier in the future).

 

Yes the mobo has two mem slots but it does support dual channel so using two 4gb modules will in theory double the mem bandwidth that can be used, not doing so would be a waste. And this is why an ATX mobo with 4 slots would come in handy, when in the future OP wants more mem he can just add more modules instead of replacing the ones he has. 

 

I understand your point on the CPU, i just feel it's a waste to buy something that is just enough, instead of buying an i3 and and i5 why not just buy the i5 if you feel like you need to upgrade anyway, and save money. But a budget is a budget, you can't really magically make more money appear :)



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ATX will indeed make things easier in the future (currently saving money to switch from mATX to ATX) but if you're actually not really planning on upgrading anything besides the GPU then it might not be needed. But yeah, you could just get something that is enough now but lacking in a few years, or save up some more money and get something that will last longer.

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Hey guys, update here, I'm kind of out of that budget PC limits... Now I'm armed with one of the cheapier z170 atx motherboards, skylake i5 6500, gtx 960/r9 280x/r9 380 gpu choice, 16Gb of ram (2x 4gb costs pretty much the same as 2x 8gb, motherboard has dual channel), corsair cx 500 psu... 

 

https://pcpartpicker...do/saved/xTjYcf

 

World of tanks isn't the priority game anymore... :)

 


Edited by Mad_Potato, 23 July 2016 - 10:08 PM.


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View PostMad_Potato, on 23 July 2016 - 11:07 PM, said:

Hey guys, update here, I'm kind of out of that budget PC limits... Now I'm armed with one of the cheapier z170 atx motherboards, skylake i5 6500, gtx 960/r9 280x/r9 380 gpu choice, 16Gb of ram (2x 4gb costs pretty much the same as 2x 8gb, motherboard has dual channel), corsair cx 500 psu... 

 

https://pcpartpicker...do/saved/xTjYcf

 

World of tanks isn't the priority game anymore... :)

 

 

Well that build should last you a good while :)

 

Personally i would recommend the nvidia card, but that is more down to me liking them more and not having any good experiences with amd cards than the gtx960 having better performance.



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View PostNokkeli, on 23 July 2016 - 11:54 PM, said:

 

Well that build should last you a good while :)

 

Personally i would recommend the nvidia card, but that is more down to me liking them more and not having any good experiences with amd cards than the gtx960 having better performance.

 

Yep, that was my first idea too. R9 380 and 280x can indeed deliver a better performance but at a cost of higher temps and higher anual  electricity bill :) From the first minute of gaming I was set with AMD cpus aand graphic cards, this will be a nice change.



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I recommend you to go for 8 GB RAM first.  Check out some benchmarks that show the impact of memory.  Even the most demanding games give around 5% performance improvement, if at all. In BF4 for example HardwareCanucks 16 gig achieved a 3,8% performance advantage over 8gigs. And that was achieved with a high end system.  With a middle class system the effect of 16 gigs will be even smaller.

source: https://www.youtube....h?v=ytl2IUHU6pI

Think about it. Ram banks are MADE for upgrading puposes. You can get a second 8 GB kit in 2 years, if you really want.

 

Not all modern games need a beefy CPU. The rule of thumb is that they are limited by the graphics card.

 

Here is my suggestion:

1. get another 4 gigs of DRR2 RAM second hand or ask a friend.

2. search for a graphics card that does not surpass the PSU boundaries. I suggest, you go for the recently released AMD Radeon RX 480.  Your current CPU will limit the card , but it is the best thing to do with your budget. 

If you would want a completely new system, you would also pay for the power supply that only makes you enter into a working system but wont give you a performance advantage.

 

If you should upgrade CPU, RAM and mainboard at a later date, you will have a stronger graphics card at that time already (RX 480) - other than if you were to upgrade the whole system now and you could only buy a smaller card.


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View PostMad_Potato, on 23 July 2016 - 11:07 PM, said:

Hey guys, update here, I'm kind of out of that budget PC limits... Now I'm armed with one of the cheapier z170 atx motherboards, skylake i5 6500, gtx 960/r9 280x/r9 380 gpu choice, 16Gb of ram (2x 4gb costs pretty much the same as 2x 8gb, motherboard has dual channel), corsair cx 500 psu... 

 

https://pcpartpicker...do/saved/xTjYcf

 

World of tanks isn't the priority game anymore... :)

 

 

You could get the i5-6400 instead of the 6500, you wont notice the difference in gaming but for the price difference the 6500 is worth it. Get a B150 mobo, you're not going to need a Z170. From the three different GPU's, get the R9 380, better than the GTX 960 and similar to the R9 280X except better DX12 support, but more power consumption than the GTX 960. Since the 8GB and 16GB price difference is like nothing the 16GB is a good choice, will also keep you going for a longer time. As for PSU, best budget PSU at the moment is the Corsair CX450M or the Cooler Master GM G450M.

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Suprised the old athlon rig didnt explode over the years, Codegen is notoriously bad and known to litterly blow up and catch fire. 

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Ended up building this. Still need to buy a GPU but I am 100% sure that I will buy Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1060 G1 Gaming 

 

Motherboard  - MSI H110M PRO VD


CPU - Intel I5 6500


RAM - HyperX Fury 2x 4GB '2133


PSU - Silverstone Strider 500W 


HDD - WD caviar blue 1TB


SSD - Samsung 750 Evo 250GB


GPU - Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1060 G1 Gaming 

 

Case - Old case

 

Everything is in my case besides GPU but I am already happy, thank you for suggestions, it is quite different from what I was planning to build



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View PostMad_Potato, on 18 September 2016 - 07:06 PM, said:

Ended up building this. Still need to buy a GPU but I am 100% sure that I will buy Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1060 G1 Gaming 

 

Motherboard  - MSI H110M PRO VD


CPU - Intel I5 6500


RAM - HyperX Fury 2x 4GB '2133


PSU - Silverstone Strider 500W 


HDD - WD caviar blue 1TB


SSD - Samsung 750 Evo 250GB


GPU - Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1060 G1 Gaming 

 

Case - Old case

 

Everything is in my case besides GPU but I am already happy, thank you for suggestions, it is quite different from what I was planning to build

 

Looks like a balanced and good build :great: You did the right thing, waiting for the 10xx series of GPUs, as a 950 or even a 960 would have given you only a fraction of the performance the 1060 will now give you for a very similar cost! Also I like the larger SSD, I've found it to be a beutiful thing, being able to load my games from an SSD instead of a slow HDD, in WoT I always get the map loaded well before the 30-second countdown even starts when before, loading from an HDD it would sometimes cut it very close to even get in the game before battle started.

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I can see quite some things wrong with that list....






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