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aragorn2lyon #1 Posted 19 August 2016 - 01:38 PM

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Dear All, 

 

I was extremely fan of  wotzilla.com website in the past, this portal offered a lot of interesting features to follow and manage your clan such as period analysis, Tier played and so on ....

Unfortunately, as you know this website is no longer available and I have a lot of difficulties to find an efficient alternative.

So yes, there is wotlife, vbaddict, clantools, wotcs, wotvs, wotlabs, stormstats, ... but nothing compared to wotzilla.

My question is double,

- is there an efficient way to manage a clan, I mean able to have an online solution to capture data (victory/defeat ratio, battles done by players, .skirmishes and stronghold battles..) instead of doing this manually thru an excel spreadsheet ?

- for major clans, can you please help me by providing me (by MP) the method you're using.? I will greatly appréciate.

 

At this time, I make a mix between different sites to cross the info, and try to extract activities, performance, trend and so on, and it's too  much time consuming.

(I do it on monthly or biweekly basis)

 

Thanks in advance for your precious help.

Regards.

 

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aragorn2lyon #2 Posted 20 August 2016 - 01:09 PM

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100 views without answer(s).

Does it mean that nobody has a clear info to provide me or that the topis is not interesting ?

C'mon guys, I'm sure you can provide me some tips, no ?



aragorn2lyon #3 Posted 21 August 2016 - 11:57 PM

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162 views.... no answer

Moderator you can delete this topic, nobody is interested by or more realistic nobody has answers and share the same issue !


Edited by aragorn2lyon, 24 August 2016 - 04:17 PM.


Monster95alpha19 #4 Posted 22 August 2016 - 12:11 AM

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there's none..that's why

there was one in the past in which you were uploading the replays of CWs and some sort of stats were made.Like who played them and how many points they would have gotten for that activity.But that was the limit.

 

as for the method big clans are using, it's simple

Every day of CW they take Screen of the Players playing CW and the reserves..then they put the data on a Spreadsheet with the respective points.Every month they finalise it by Adding all the activity points and spliting the Earned gold(or alocated part of it) to those points.Thus seeing how much Gold is beeing given per point.

 

As for Skirmish/SH .They also use a similar but more tiresome system.Basicly they keep a track of players Industrial resources earned last month, they see how much they made the current month, they see how much the player earned during from last to current.They do so for every player which takes like 1-2hours.They add all the resources earned and again they split this number to the Gold that is alocated for that. ( GoldAlocated / ResourcesEarnedThatMonth = x ).That x is then multiplied to every player by the ammount of resources earned.

 

 

That's pretty much what most of the top earning clans are doing.Ofc, they also give some bonuses for the Officers of the clan for what they are actually doing.

 

But as a Site to specialize all of this, there's none.



RaeudigerRonny #5 Posted 22 August 2016 - 08:09 AM

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View PostTitaniuX, on 22 August 2016 - 01:11 AM, said:

 

 

as for the method big clans are using, it's simple

Every day of CW they take Screen of the Players playing CW and the reserves..then they put the data on a Spreadsheet with the respective points.Every month they finalise it by Adding all the activity points and spliting the Earned gold(or alocated part of it) to those points.Thus seeing how much Gold is beeing given per point.

 

 

 

We use the Replay Analyzer of Aim_Drol for this btw. Just put all Cw-Replays in a folder and the Tool makes an Excel Table with the amount of CWs played (ofc that also means we pay out nobody that was just in queue).



aragorn2lyon #6 Posted 24 August 2016 - 03:32 PM

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Thanks a lot guys for your feedback.

Clearly we have a lack of tools to manage efficiently our clans !

Personally, like you, we consolidate info from various tools into a spreadsheet and we compare player by player what they're expected to do and what they do, 

Like you we have a gold bonus for players given the biggest amount of boxes under a week !

It's really sad to hear that we do not have a real tool for..

Before we used wotzilla which was excellent, but now, it's just a crap to manage a clan.

Well major clans don't have solutions, .... the situation is worse than supposed !

 

Thanks anyway for your feedback, maybe one day, WG will offer us an amazing website to manage clans (I'm dreaming ... maybe ... !!!)


Edited by aragorn2lyon, 24 August 2016 - 03:49 PM.


uti8 #7 Posted 24 August 2016 - 03:51 PM

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There is one clan management site but it is not free. I would have to look it up later. Otherwise you mentioned all relevant websites only lacking stats4u.eu which only lets you compare clans but not manage them.

 

Many clans use clantools, which you mentioned, for payouts. In my last clan a developer programmed a replay analyzer but Domstadt mentioned something similar.

 

In essence, I search and interest myself for that topic for years now and wotzilla was created because of this need but I think with the possible exception for maybe some russian websites there is nothing specifically for this and no one creates apparently.



aragorn2lyon #8 Posted 24 August 2016 - 04:29 PM

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I didn't know this one stats4u.eu. Thx.

Well I think we have to deal with it.

I'm little bit afraid of russian sites, something there's some "gifts" with sites :)

Maybe not, who knows....

It's a journey to try it !!!

 



uti8 #9 Posted 24 August 2016 - 05:18 PM

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Well then, maybe the following sites are interesting too:

http://wot-news.com/stat/clan/eu

http://wotclans.net/eu/showclansrating

http://clan-panel.ap...u/500072474/add

http://www.ageofstri...uti8&bt=&am=&p=

http://wot-news.com/stat/calc/en/eu

http://wot-numbers.c...clans/?c[]=S4-P

http://www.wotstats.org/stats/eu/uti8/

 

Suprising how many stats websites there are which all show almost the same content.



aged_osprey #10 Posted 24 August 2016 - 06:29 PM

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View Postaragorn2lyon, on 19 August 2016 - 01:38 PM, said:

Dear All, 

 

I was extremely fan of  wotzilla.com website in the past, this portal offered a lot of interesting features to follow and manage your clan such as period analysis, Tier played and so on ....

Unfortunately, as you know this website is no longer available and I have a lot of difficulties to find an efficient alternative.

So yes, there is wotlife, vbaddict, clantools, wotcs, wotvs, wotlabs, stormstats, ... but nothing compared to wotzilla.

My question is double,

- is there an efficient way to manage a clan, I mean able to have an online solution to capture data (victory/defeat ratio, battles done by players, .skirmishes and stronghold battles..) instead of doing this manually thru an excel spreadsheet ?

- for major clans, can you please help me by providing me (by MP) the method you're using.? I will greatly appréciate.

 

At this time, I make a mix between different sites to cross the info, and try to extract activities, performance, trend and so on, and it's too  much time consuming.

(I do it on monthly or biweekly basis)

 

Thanks in advance for your precious help.

Regards.

 

Aragorn2lyon : XX0XX Commander

For the most points i write my own scripts

 

Tools to manage my own clan:

Personal Manager

http://www.steelhorn.../Mitglieder.php

Who is online

http://www.steelhorn...TAPI/online.php

Stats

http://www.steelhorn...dex.php/rating/

and much more litle helpers

 

And also a

tool to compare german clans

http://www.stats4u.eu

 

Currently i am on vacation but after that i can help you if you would like

 

Greats aged_osprey

 

 

 



aragorn2lyon #11 Posted 25 August 2016 - 09:46 AM

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View Postaged_osprey, on 24 August 2016 - 06:29 PM, said:

For the most points i write my own scripts

 

Tools to manage my own clan:

Personal Manager

http://www.steelhorn.../Mitglieder.php

Who is online

http://www.steelhorn...TAPI/online.php

Stats

http://www.steelhorn...dex.php/rating/

and much more litle helpers

 

And also a

tool to compare german clans

http://www.stats4u.eu

 

Currently i am on vacation but after that i can help you if you would like

 

Greats aged_osprey

 

 

 

 

Oh Yes I will be pleased to share with you a couple of subjects and to be honest the community too indeed.

We have a lack of tools and as someone said, all stats on the web provides more or less the same info.

Thanks for your precious help, man !



aged_osprey #12 Posted 26 August 2016 - 02:32 PM

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Aragorn wellcome on stats4u :)

Kalith #13 Posted 30 August 2016 - 10:36 PM

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You can try http://wottactic.tk/clanportal.html, forum thread http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/535188-site-clan-activity-tracker-httpwottactictkclanportalhtml/.

 

It's pretty basic, but I believe it still works and covers your basics.

 

I don't really plan to update it much though  Maintaining wottactic is already too much like a job I don't get payed for.

 

I do share your feelings that there is a lack of tools to efficiently manage clans. And it's not because wargaming is making it hard, the tools are there to make something truly great:

 

  1. A lot of clan/player information is available through the wargaming API.
  2. Replays are extremely easy to parse, just look at this proof of concept i made to parse replays: http://wottactic.tk/replay_parse_test.html. Just 50 lines of code to get all that info out of a replay. Here is a slightly longer version that extracts relevant info for a clan tool: http://wottactic.tk/replay_parse_test2.html
  3. I recently had a look at wot modding, and it's not very hard at all to look up all kind of things. Take a look at this: https://github.com/juho-p/wot-debugserver. It's a mod that opens up a python console running within the scripting engine of wot. You basically have all of python available and access to all the data you need, in battle as well as info like people queuing up in a special battle/sh/skirmish.

 

I'm willing to help out and work together with anyone trying creating a tool to manage clans. But I'm not going to maintain it or create it alone, someone else will have to put their shoulders behind it.

 

 

 


Edited by Kalith, 30 August 2016 - 10:56 PM.


aragorn2lyon #14 Posted 31 August 2016 - 01:24 AM

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I don't you know if you remembered wotzilla, but it was not based on replays.

I know it's possible tru a replay to collect info, but with wotzilla it was possible to catch this info without any additional trick and tips.

It was the key advantage of this solution.

By miracle it could be excellent to recover this site or found sources.

Anyway, we have more and more clans, more and more need, but less and less products !

To find wn8 of a players we have 100 solutions, to manage a clan... that's the challenge.

 



Kalith #15 Posted 31 August 2016 - 06:45 AM

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Well the only option is it got the info from the wg api. Data like sh/cw/skirmishes played is part of the personal info though, which requires an access token.

 

Basically it means that every clan member has to log in at least once for his stats to be gathered. The website would also need to extend the action token for every user every two weeks.It's probably a viable solution though.



aragorn2lyon #16 Posted 31 August 2016 - 11:00 AM

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View PostKalith, on 31 August 2016 - 06:45 AM, said:

Well the only option is it got the info from the wg api. Data like sh/cw/skirmishes played is part of the personal info though, which requires an access token.

 

Basically it means that every clan member has to log in at least once for his stats to be gathered. The website would also need to extend the action token for every user every two weeks.It's probably a viable solution though.

 

You mean like xvm on which we have to sync every 2 weeks ?

Is it not a constraint for team members to do this ?

Regarding API, I'm as good in API, as a pony in a horse race :)... You cannot imagine what I can do ... or not 

 



Kalith #17 Posted 31 August 2016 - 12:31 PM

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As I read through it you don't need the user to extend the authentication token. As long as you extend it before it expires..

 

Every clan member will have to log in once to actually get an access token for them. And it won't be the innocent login screen that for example wottactic shows you it will be something more scary like: http://karellodewijk...other/login.jpg

 

But like I said, every clan member having to log in is annoying. But if everything else is automated, it's may be worth it.

 

Anyway WG api docs are pretty good: https://developers.w...gin/&r_realm=eu


Edited by Kalith, 31 August 2016 - 12:41 PM.


Pamboum #18 Posted 02 September 2016 - 10:48 AM

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(wrong topic)

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Raffy5 #19 Posted 05 September 2016 - 11:50 AM

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You can try this one:

http://www.wot-rusty.com/

but it might not be free, not 100% sure. Remember was used in one of my previous clans but if it was free or not can't say, one of the guys from the clan was friends with the developer and maybe he was helping him test it. You can look into it.



aydie #20 Posted 29 January 2017 - 11:04 PM

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I know it's a pretty old thread, but I just wanted to let you guys know that http://www.wotzilla.com is back online. Some of the clan stats are still missing, but that's mostly because I didn't have enough data yet, after my comeback by the new year. I'll implement more stuff on the clan side shortly, but the player pages are almost back to the level of information they provided before. I had a complete change of the backend, so I have to redo everything, but now it's in a language I'm actually much better at (c#), so it's easier for me to implement stuff.

 

Support as before is taking place via this thread:

http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/522728-yet-another-stats-site-wwwwotzillacom/






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