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T-44 is going to get a new gun in 0.7.0


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marius11 #21 Posted 04 October 2011 - 02:29 PM

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So, now t-44 will have speed, armor AND weapon advantage over Pershing. How is that fair? Bad canon is what makes tier 8 meds balanced

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cool

altho they should buff 122on that tank as well

it should have same stats as 122 from kv1s really

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View Postmarius11, on 04 October 2011 - 02:29 PM, said:

So, now t-44 will have speed, armor AND weapon advantage over Pershing. How is that fair? Bad canon is what makes tier 8 meds balanced

accuracy will be the same with slightly lower damage and pen.
The developers won't be stupid enough to keep the ROF 10 from T-54...

Also, Pershing has advantages in hitpoints, gun depression (never underestimate gun depression) and a bouncier turret. Top speed on T-44 might be higher but they have almost equal engine power per ton, so uphill or on even ground they achieve similar speed.

Shooting at the two in type-59, my experience is:
- The T-44 turret will almost never bounce a shot
- The Pershing turret will bounce about 1/3 of the shots so it's better to aim at the hull

a word on gun depression: when sniping down a hill, Patton only shows part of its turret while the T-44 is forced to show most of the tank until he can get a shot. Bad gun depression is a real disadvantage when fighting on uneven terrain; even a small patch of uneven ground will make any shot miss.

undtctd #24 Posted 04 October 2011 - 03:11 PM

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Not to mention awful ammorack issue onboard. Many suggest that you're just forced to loose 1 equipment slot and 500k credits for wet ammo rack. Practically you can't show right side of your tank to anyone or you're blown up.

FilipMinee #25 Posted 04 October 2011 - 04:08 PM

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actually pershings mantlet bounces even strongest guns in the game ( notice mantlet ) it is not small thing but it does not cover entire turret... so in frontal armor of the turret is by far better for pershing the weak 100mm or so mantlet of t44 that pretty much even short 88 can penetrate reliably.

also perhsing has good gun depression and still has better gun more hit points etc etc... it will be more balanced now i think t44 needed upgrade just not 100mm buff i would liked it with 122mm a bit more usable and not gimmick :(

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View Postmarius11, on 04 October 2011 - 02:29 PM, said:

So, now t-44 will have speed, armor AND weapon advantage over Pershing. How is that fair? Bad canon is what makes tier 8 meds balanced

The armor of T44 sounds just in theory good but in-game reality it's not better then Pershings or Panthers armor. The better gun is the least which will eventually make the T44 playable again.

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View PostSturmtiger_304, on 03 October 2011 - 06:39 PM, said:

The T-44 is finally going to get the T-54's first gun upgrade, which the T-44 definitely was needing in the first place.


What are you smoking? The T-44 is perfect. I couldn't ask or anything more. It doesn't need a new gun at all.

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DROOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL


Maybe I will get back to this game :D

Wayne_Payne #29 Posted 04 October 2011 - 10:06 PM

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Good news this!! My T-44 been gathering dust lately since i got my 59. :)

mamlas #30 Posted 04 October 2011 - 10:54 PM

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View PostHighway_Star, on 04 October 2011 - 04:20 PM, said:

What are you smoking? The T-44 is perfect. I couldn't ask or anything more. It doesn't need a new gun at all.

And you never had one.

But The LB-1 is excelent news. Kinda makes me pissed i grinded through with the old gun. But i just may get it back:)

Edward_Teague #31 Posted 05 October 2011 - 12:18 AM

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View Postmarius11, on 04 October 2011 - 02:29 PM, said:

So, now t-44 will have speed, armor AND weapon advantage over Pershing. How is that fair? Bad canon is what makes tier 8 meds balanced
U forgot the ammo rack super explosions that t-44 has.

Highway_Star #32 Posted 05 October 2011 - 12:29 AM

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View Postmamlas, on 04 October 2011 - 10:54 PM, said:

And you never had one.

But The LB-1 is excelent news. Kinda makes me pissed i grinded through with the old gun. But i just may get it back:)

I never had a T-44? Maybe you didn't see my signature. I owned all medium tanks in the beta.

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In BETA there were no E50 and M48 in game, which changed the balance of power in the medium line a lot.

FilipMinee #34 Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:26 AM

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beta was long ago as well ... game change ... t44 is far from it used to be

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During Beta, T-44 was faced off against T23 and Panther I, against whom it had a definite advantage armor-wise.

Panther I has 80mm sloped and T23 had 76mm with similar slope - neither of them were gonna bounce any shots. The 90mm armor on T-44 with much better slope meanwhile could (and still can) take a shot or two, bouncing a shot now or then.

Against the current tier 8 tanks (Pershing, Panther II) armor is pretty much a toss-up but T-44 still retains the inaccurate D10T cannon from when good armor compensated for weak gun.

While I'm all for average strength of the tier 8 mediums improving when measured against the heavy tanks, I agree that T-44 does need a bit of a boost to keep up with Pershing, Panther II and Type-59.

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This is good news, it'll bring it up to par nicely with any luck.

Qw4z1 #37 Posted 05 October 2011 - 03:09 PM

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New gun and horn is going to make it deadlier then ever!

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View PostHighway_Star, on 05 October 2011 - 12:29 AM, said:

I never had a T-44? Maybe you didn't see my signature. I owned all medium tanks in the beta.

Lol.
And was this even better, did you have it prior to BigWorld 2.0?  :D

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Funny thing is that the T-44 used to be the most OP tank in the game in early beta before warp fix. Now it is IMO the worst tier 8 medium so this change is very welcome. I sold my T-43 when it achieved elite status, maybe I will get the T-44 again after patch 7.0.

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View PostMike_Hammer, on 05 October 2011 - 04:01 PM, said:

Lol.
And was this even better, did you have it prior to BigWorld 2.0?  :D

It's not been changed enough to ruin it. A tank that good would need major changes to make it bad.




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