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Bravecoward #21 Posted 21 November 2016 - 12:55 PM

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to be fair i dont think its that good. Your DPM quote is just wrong... JT 8.8, rhm Skorp and Panther 8.8 (prem tanks with better dpm). Ive been up against it a few times in my amx 50 100 and clipped them with the 100. yeah, its got a good turret. but i dont think its overpowered at all.

I agree with Sentinels comments though about being game breaking. Dont know how much this will change with the mechanics changing in the next patch.



Rati_Festa #22 Posted 21 November 2016 - 03:21 PM

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I own the T26E5 I've played about 100 games and its a good tank, its excellent in t8, good in t9 but poor in t10.

 

It's a hybrid heavy/med and it plays very like the T7 Brit prem tank the Fv401/A45. IMO best played aggresive with a reckless abandoment to your own safety and its great fun. There are some t8's that cause it a problem the AMX 120, RHM, Skorps, Jpanther 2 and the OHO but they cause all t8's a problem. A good player can use the landscape, its mobile enough to fight well on hills and use the turret.

 

The recent French heavy that has been just released is causing me for more issues than this tank does when I meet it.

 

Pros

Mobile going forward and decent on hills.
Tough turret
Decentish Hull ( Skoda t25 can still pen it though )
High DPM
It looks good :P
Good credit maker

 

Cons

Ammo racks easily ( like cdc bad )
Poor aim
Low alpha
slow reverse
Arty magnet as it gets spotted quicker than average heavy due to speed.
It looks good and everyone wants to kill it.

 

WG has far worse balance issues to resolve at t10 IMO, 113 is awful, the weak British heavy and FV4005, the plague of autoloaders in all the T10 games etc

 

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_Hakkapeliitta_ #23 Posted 22 November 2016 - 07:06 AM

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There u go, not so OP armour anymore if u have brains and eyes   Posted Image

Laatikkomafia #24 Posted 22 November 2016 - 08:07 AM

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Yes, such a weakspot. Not armored at all.

__Anti3iotiK__ #25 Posted 22 November 2016 - 09:05 AM

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why doesnt the WOtlabs shows the WN8 values of t26e5??it show like i didnt played my 10 games on it. it didnt add the wn8 bonus like I've played no games :O

you can see it in my signature.it shows zero wn8...


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Raffy5 #26 Posted 22 November 2016 - 09:14 AM

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View Post__Anti3iotiK__, on 22 November 2016 - 10:05 AM, said:

why doesnt the WOtlabs shows the WN8 values of t26e5??it show like i didnt played my 10 games on it. it didnt add the wn8 bonus like I've played no games :O

you can see it in my signature.it shows zero wn8...

 

Maybe becasue it was not added yet? Same for any new tank it takes a while until they add it to the other ones and until they finalize the expected values.

AFAIK at first they use the exp values from the most similar tank already in game and go from there. Since it was just added to the game (no including super tests and tests) it will take a while until they have it in.



Fluffy_The_Destroyer #27 Posted 22 November 2016 - 09:27 AM

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The LFP can be penned by 175pen guns reliably. quite sad to be fair. was expecting 200mm lowest and the UFP is just as crap.  looking dead on the turret on right bottom mantle area has an area of 200mm armor.

SirAmra #28 Posted 22 November 2016 - 09:34 AM

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Every new thing they put into the game these days is kinda OP.

And older tanks get left behind.

This game these days have me completely turned off from playing it.

And with the new swedish tanks. Well.....top tiers will be broken.



FireStickCZ #29 Posted 22 November 2016 - 04:13 PM

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View PostTac_p0liticallyCorrect, on 20 November 2016 - 11:47 AM, said:

I own one and I don't think it is OP at all. The accuracy of the gun is pretty dreadful tbh so you absolutely have to fight at close range. It also has issues with the standard APCR ammo penning anything that isn't flat.

 

If you think the 0.38 accuracy is bad, then what about T32 which has 0.41 accuracy? Also if you have issues penning tanks with 230 mm of penetration then try to do that with 198 mm of penetration on T32. GG



_LUL_ #30 Posted 23 November 2016 - 11:02 AM

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You don't need to do detailed research to see how OP is this tank compared to other prem tanks and compared to T32 which is a regular tank.  Being OP it also makes it pay 2 win since you can just buy it with money and you're good to phew phew on the battle field and own T32s and other tier 8 tanks.

 

What makes it OP ? insane dpm , insane mobility for a heavy tank which makes it into a medium tank , very good armor and a decent gun with very good pen for its tier.

 

So it's a matter of time until WG will nerf this cause it's pay 2 win and anyone who doesn't agree then you're blind and ignorant. simple as that



Eokokok #31 Posted 23 November 2016 - 11:15 AM

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Top OP tanks of tier 8 ATM are all prems... coincedence?

 

View Post_LUL_, on 23 November 2016 - 10:02 AM, said:

So it's a matter of time until WG will nerf this cause it's pay 2 win and anyone who doesn't agree then you're blind and ignorant. simple as that

 

No, they won't. It is premium tank, they will not touch it. As simple as that.


Edited by Eokokok, 23 November 2016 - 11:17 AM.


Lomion_EU #32 Posted 23 November 2016 - 12:38 PM

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View PostEokokok, on 23 November 2016 - 10:15 AM, said:

Top OP tanks of tier 8 ATM are all prems... coincedence?

 

 

No, they won't. It is premium tank, they will not touch it. As simple as that.

 

Unless of course they Buff it!!!!!

Eokokok #33 Posted 23 November 2016 - 12:56 PM

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Hard to imagine this thing getting any buffs, I mean seriously, it already is one of the best tier 8 HTs... With prem income... Legit.

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View Post_LUL_, on 23 November 2016 - 11:02 AM, said:

You don't need to do detailed research to see how OP is this tank compared to other prem tanks and compared to T32 which is a regular tank.  Being OP it also makes it pay 2 win since you can just buy it with money and you're good to phew phew on the battle field and own T32s and other tier 8 tanks.

 

What makes it OP ? insane dpm , insane mobility for a heavy tank which makes it into a medium tank , very good armor and a decent gun with very good pen for its tier.

 

So it's a matter of time until WG will nerf this cause it's pay 2 win and anyone who doesn't agree then you're blind and ignorant. simple as that

 

First of all, I haven't seen any normal tier 8 tank which is not obtainable by any player. When you compare the T32 and the Patriot, it takes a T32 50,8 seconds to take out the 1500hp of a Patriot. Assuming slightly over average rolls, it takes the Patriot 52 seconds to take out the 1400 hp of a T32. The armour is comparable for both tanks, giving the edge on the useful armour to the T32. A Patriot which tries to yolo a T32 in cover is a dead Patriot, but the same applies the other way around.

 

When it matters, the T32 is still the daddy for key hull down positions. For your normal play, the Patriot is better because you actually make credits with it and don't have to spam gold. It's nice to be able to buy a tank for 35 euro which is not a complete turd for once. Same applies to the liberté by the way, but there are other differences on that one compared to the 50 100.



Eokokok #35 Posted 23 November 2016 - 04:07 PM

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You cant compare 50 100 to Liberte for starters...

 

And Patriot, with superior DPM, permatracking abbility, 230 pen and pretty similiar turret with great mobility is pretty much superior to T32 in tier 8 and 9 games... While making credits on top of that. So yeah, it is not just as good, it is simply better. Same goes for Liberte, Scorpion, 112... STA-2 and Mutz are both bordering this group.

 

One huge money jump, and I am saying this while defending WG alot of times. This is just next level BS.



_LUL_ #36 Posted 23 November 2016 - 04:26 PM

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View PostEokokok, on 23 November 2016 - 11:15 AM, said:

No, they won't. It is premium tank, they will not touch it. As simple as that.

 

oh really? say that to super pershing who got nerfed to death and sure they offered the option to refund it but still , they touched it as premium as it is 

 

i think it's pretty obvious what WG does , they release OP prem tanks or at least better than the previous ones because people won't buy them if they're not better than what they already have, and then they nerf them cause they're too OP and they're better than regular tanks in its tier.

 

it's all about the money on the spot , people rush to buy the OP prem tank then their money is wasted cause that OP tank eventually will be tuned (aka nerfed).

 

edit: btw if they leave the patriot as it is , then this game has become more pay 2 win as it was before.

 

 


Edited by _LUL_, 23 November 2016 - 04:28 PM.


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View PostEokokok, on 23 November 2016 - 11:56 AM, said:

Hard to imagine this thing getting any buffs, I mean seriously, it already is one of the best tier 8 HTs... With prem income... Legit.

 

​It was a joke as the only changes that they make to Prems are buffs



Sams_Baneblade #38 Posted 23 November 2016 - 05:31 PM

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View Post_LUL_, on 23 November 2016 - 04:26 PM, said:

 

oh really? say that to super pershing who got nerfed to death and sure they offered the option to refund it but still , they touched it as premium as it is 

 

i think it's pretty obvious what WG does , they release OP prem tanks or at least better than the previous ones because people won't buy them if they're not better than what they already have, and then they nerf them cause they're too OP and they're better than regular tanks in its tier.

 

it's all about the money on the spot , people rush to buy the OP prem tank then their money is wasted cause that OP tank eventually will be tuned (aka nerfed).

 

edit: btw if they leave the patriot as it is , then this game has become more pay 2 win as it was before.

 

The SP was nerfed a while ago. So was the Type 59.

Meanwhile, they announced they would never nerf a premium again, what they did. E25 is still broken, so is SU-76i, PzIIJ, etc. Apart from unintentionnal nerfs caused by the new HD model (T34 rooftop overmatched, less optimal amor on the first iteration of th HD IS-6 and SP), but those resulted in the end in a buff due to the sh*tstorm it caused (T34 roof is more difficult to hit, IS-6 got remade with a better turret + the removal of several weakspots and SP got reworked + lost one cupola hitbox.)

 

Now if each of those independently caused a sh*tstorm, imagine what would cause the announcement of the nerf of several premium tanks. Even rumors that the HD E25 could get a bigger hull drove people mad: WG had to make an official statement about this rumor being false.

 

So no, those tanks will never be nerfed, WG trapped itself. The only thing that could affect them negatively would be changing some mechanics of buffing every other Tier 8 tank.

(PS: WG even began to buff the old premiums. Mostly to bring balance, but not for some => HD 112 and Pz IIJ)


Edited by Sams_Baneblade, 23 November 2016 - 05:36 PM.


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they're hungry for money , hence the release of OP prem tanks , who knows what they'll release next , OP prem arty maybe? 

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View Post_LUL_, on 23 November 2016 - 03:26 PM, said:

 

oh really? say that to super pershing who got nerfed to death and sure they offered the option to refund it but still , they touched it as premium as it is 

 

i think it's pretty obvious what WG does , they release OP prem tanks or at least better than the previous ones because people won't buy them if they're not better than what they already have, and then they nerf them cause they're too OP and they're better than regular tanks in its tier.

 

it's all about the money on the spot , people rush to buy the OP prem tank then their money is wasted cause that OP tank eventually will be tuned (aka nerfed).

 

edit: btw if they leave the patriot as it is , then this game has become more pay 2 win as it was before.

 

 

 

No, they don't nerf anything. Sp was special case, since then all they did was remove from store or remove from store and buff. So Patriot will stay as OP as it is now untill global rebalnce at least.





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