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Wayneable #1 Posted 14 November 2016 - 03:23 AM

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Now we have all heard time and again that WG wants to remove tanks with preferential mm from the premium shop. And my question is why don't they? I will only be going into tier 8 tanks. I can find 4 tier 8 tank in the shop with preferential MM, i find this strange when WG have other tanks that could replace them.

 

FCM 50T  could be replaced by the AMX M4 MLE 49

IS-6 could be replaced by the IS-3A ( but with only three crewmen in it, not the best training tank.)

T-34-3 could be replace with the 59 Patton. 

Super Pershing could be replaced with the M46 Patton KR

 

Did i miss any tier 8? don't think so,

This way WG would have 4 "new tanks" for there Gem of the week, or for there Christmas calendar.



Fluffy_The_Destroyer #2 Posted 14 November 2016 - 03:58 AM

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Because they are still getting sold in WG's eyes. screw balance, all profit. notice how they only removed the ones that arent selling well? IS-6 will stay in the shop till the day WG shut down the servers.

tnk_x5000 #3 Posted 14 November 2016 - 08:19 AM

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E 25 was not selling well?

What about the Super Pershing and some of the tier 4-5 premiums, which are not with a lot of reputation?

But indeed, WG is delaying the process and there are already ready replacements for the Super Pershing and the IS-6.



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I dont think that E25 was selling that well. At the beginning people didnt really see anything special about it. It was fast yes, but it didnt have a turret and the gun was pretty crap, good dpm but bad pen and dmg. Only after people found out that it has "broken" camo after shooting everyone wanted it. Too bad at that time they were no longer selling it. It is one of the tank that would sell really well even in those 100 euro packages like pz J I would say. I am kind of suprised they havent done it yet with how money hungry they are.

Also I agree that IS6 will stay in the shop probably forever. IS3a isnt really that great, not only it doesnt have full crew for russian heavies but its gun soft stats are terrible. Unless they decide to put IS5 in the shop which will most likely never happen or make another is3 clone with full crew, good armor, speed and gun stats, IS6 will stay.



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some Premium Tanks really need Preferential MM ( eg Excelsior ) as the gun is so bad with penetration - if it faced Tier 7's it would be totally useless ( why I never platoon with it )

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View Posttnk_x5000, on 14 November 2016 - 08:19 AM, said:

E 25 was not selling well?

What about the Super Pershing and some of the tier 4-5 premiums, which are not with a lot of reputation?

But indeed, WG is delaying the process and there are already ready replacements for the Super Pershing and the IS-6.

 

E25 was broken and caused complaints. Spershing wasent fun and people knew this.

MR_FIAT #7 Posted 14 November 2016 - 05:46 PM

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suposedly the Kirovets-1 is a "upcoming" tank which could fill the role of a IS-6 replacement and i am guesing it does have a full russian HT crew layout.

leggasiini #8 Posted 14 November 2016 - 05:48 PM

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View PostMR_FIAT, on 14 November 2016 - 06:46 PM, said:

suposedly the Kirovets-1 is a "upcoming" tank which could fill the role of a IS-6 replacement and i am guesing it does have a full russian HT crew layout.

 

Object 252 seems to be more likely IS-6 replacement. More unique as tank than kirovets-1 (which is literally IS-3A with flat front plate and significantly crappier turret) while having somewhat similar concept to IS-6 (more balanced tho), aswell as high alpha as unique feature.

 

Kirovets-1 seems to be scrapped or maybe it will be a CW reward, but lol @ another tier 8 RU HT as CW reward...


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MR_FIAT #9 Posted 14 November 2016 - 09:21 PM

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View Postleggasiini, on 14 November 2016 - 05:48 PM, said:

 

Object 252 seems to be more likely IS-6 replacement. More unique as tank than kirovets-1 (which is literally IS-3A with flat front plate and significantly crappier turret) while having somewhat similar concept to IS-6 (more balanced tho), aswell as high alpha as unique feature.

 

Kirovets-1 seems to be scrapped or maybe it will be a CW reward, but lol @ another tier 8 RU HT as CW reward...

 

how about no? Object 252 is comepltely broken and should never be put in the game there are enough doom cannons in the game as is no need to have one on a troll armour heavy that outruns mediums.

Fluffy_The_Destroyer #10 Posted 15 November 2016 - 04:57 PM

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View PostMR_FIAT, on 14 November 2016 - 09:21 PM, said:

 

how about no? Object 252 is comepltely broken and should never be put in the game there are enough doom cannons in the game as is no need to have one on a troll armour heavy that outruns mediums.

 

Indeed a tier 8 heavy with 440 alpha would be another KV-1S at tier 8. not good for game balance.

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View PostMR_FIAT, on 14 November 2016 - 05:46 PM, said:

suposedly the Kirovets-1 is a "upcoming" tank which could fill the role of a IS-6 replacement and i am guesing it does have a full russian HT crew layout.

 

Afaik Kirovets-1 was shelved, and I can see why because it was crap on paper. I'd rather have Object 252 roaming the maps, because I know I would be in one. :child:

Also, it's as Fluffy said - WG is after profit, and keeps offering pref mm tanks such as WZ-111 and JTiger 88 from time to time, because they still sell. Meanwhile, those tanks that COULD become viable alternatives such as Mle 49, Patton KR, etc. appear from time to time in the shop and can only be bought with real cash. Which is a smart move on WG's part, because otherwise plenty of clanwar players would use the gold they earned to speedbuy the good stuff without having to grab the wallet.

Edited by Amrael87, 16 November 2016 - 02:04 PM.


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View PostMR_FIAT, on 14 November 2016 - 09:21 PM, said:

how about no? Object 252 is comepltely broken and should never be put in the game there are enough doom cannons in the game as is no need to have one on a troll armour heavy that outruns mediums.

 

They have just added an OP French tank, they are about to add an OP American tank.  You really believe (considering WG's market) that the most OP tank of the lot won't end up being Russian?

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View Post73north, on 14 November 2016 - 01:57 PM, said:

some Premium Tanks really need Preferential MM ( eg Excelsior ) as the gun is so bad with penetration - if it faced Tier 7's it would be totally useless ( why I never platoon with it )

 

 

 

Is there some tank that would NOT be useless when faced +2 tier tank...? Except of spotting...?



Eokokok #14 Posted 12 December 2016 - 12:34 PM

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Most can do well in those games, or at least carry their own weight. Only ones with really bad penetrations are in need of prem MM.

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View Postsuvicze, on 14 November 2016 - 09:22 AM, said:

Only after people found out that it has "broken" camo after shooting everyone wanted it. Too bad at that time they were no longer selling it. 

 

This is exactly why every scrub and his dog wants one. And it shows how sad some are that they would pay 100 euro to get one. Pity they can't see that E25 is not much good on current corridor maps. If WG ever did decide to re-sell it the butthurt on here will be legendary.



Gremlin182 #16 Posted 12 December 2016 - 12:51 PM

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Or they could buff the tanks with preferental MM and give them standard MM.

 

 



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View PostGremlin182, on 12 December 2016 - 11:51 AM, said:

Or they could buff the tanks with preferental MM and give them standard MM.

 

 

 

No, they could not. This would mean the tanks were to be refundable, since changing MM could and should be treated as a major change in the good purchased with real money, regardless of any buffs.

 

It is easier to just remove them, but WG still struggles to do so, since some are still popular in selles.



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View PostEokokok, on 12 December 2016 - 12:57 PM, said:

 

No, they could not. This would mean the tanks were to be refundable, since changing MM could and should be treated as a major change in the good purchased with real money, regardless of any buffs.

 

It is easier to just remove them, but WG still struggles to do so, since some are still popular in selles.

 

Well you can remove them from sale of course and numbers would drop as the owners dropped out of the game, but wargaming wanted to lose them all as apparently it messed with the matchmaking.​

I figure if they nerf a premium badly like they did the Superpershing then yes they need to do the refund in gold bit.

Buffing the tanks however they might get away with even if it gave them standard MM.

Anyway not my call



Eokokok #19 Posted 13 December 2016 - 10:04 AM

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I think they do not want to take the risk, EU courts are a nasty place to end up in. They probably will, in time, remove most if not all of the prem MM tanks.

 

Seems like the current version will be removing of the underperformers/unpopular vehicles first, then buff them beyond believe. If they will stick to this they might even milk more cash out of the proccess, people knowing that their tank, even if being generally meh, will get buffed like WZ, are more likely to get the tank before removal. JT88 is suppose to get mobility buff, if it gets to JT level it will be the same story as with Chinese tank. This might be a rather clever marketing move.

 

Of course some tanks removed wont really make a comeback, doubt they sell E 25 or the OP Su anymore, probably WZ as well, but you never know with WG.






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