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Poll: is type 59 OP ? (146 members have cast votes)

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is type 59 OP ?

  1. yes (21 votes [14.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.38%

  2. no (125 votes [85.62%])

    Percentage of vote: 85.62%

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ZeFeKa #21 Posted 08 December 2016 - 01:07 AM

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And then, on your own link, you see the green line instead of the black one then you've the actual performance of the Type 59 after the powercreep & 8.1 change (and no nerf ffs).

Edited by ZeFeKa, 08 December 2016 - 01:08 AM.


douglarse #22 Posted 08 December 2016 - 01:09 AM

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View PostEltvilleTiger, on 07 December 2016 - 08:18 PM, said:

Gosh I remember when the Type 59 ruled the battlefields.  Today, just consider it another tank and I don't think twice about shooting at it.  It is definitely not OP in any way. 

 

​I remember facing about 8 Types a team in my tier 5 KV-1 or Pz3/4, those were the days when it got its reputation as uber OP. I didn't get mines until a lot later but have always found it sluggish with a crap handling gun, 2.9 sec aimtime pffft.

 

View Postscorpiontank1, on 07 December 2016 - 08:03 PM, said:

 

I really need chinese meduim crew trainer but t34-3 is crap

 

​Nothing wrong with the T34-3 as far as I am concerned.

Exozen #23 Posted 08 December 2016 - 01:15 AM

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You can have mine for free, how crapit is. Stopped using it once the Skorpion was bought.

Fluffy_The_Destroyer #24 Posted 08 December 2016 - 01:34 AM

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View Postdouglarse, on 08 December 2016 - 01:09 AM, said:

 

 

​Nothing wrong with the T34-3 as far as I am concerned.

 

http://wot-news.com/.../tankinfo/en/eu

Most of the time below the line then dips back down at the end. it needs buffing.



Velvet_Underground #25 Posted 08 December 2016 - 02:04 AM

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View PostFluffy_The_Destroyer, on 08 December 2016 - 01:34 AM, said:

 

http://wot-news.com/.../tankinfo/en/eu

Most of the time below the line then dips back down at the end. it needs buffing.

Hard to say; contrary to other vehicles *cough*japanese heavies*cough* (not overperforming globally from tier 5-8, at all:rolleyes:) the T-34-3s performance heavily depends on the respective server; it could use a buff on EU and NA but is doing (more than) fine on RU. I'm not sure whether that should warrant the vehicle a buff.



Kurat666 #26 Posted 08 December 2016 - 04:31 AM

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View Postscorpiontank1, on 07 December 2016 - 10:18 PM, said:

U kidding right ? I'm a noob player yet you expect me to fight with top clans and stuff and win a lot clan wars to get it , I can't do crap xD , I can't even do good in my t110e3 after trying so much with it ,  maybe you can but not me

 

WHAT 2 times sold ? How even ? How did u get it twice ? Also why did u sell it ?

 

There is a "once per account" option to write to WG in order to get back your long ago-sold premium tank. I got it back and still s*cked in it:sceptic: Sold it again - might been drunk or smth on that day:coin:.   I managed to get out from "red" zone, so why cannot you? Dont be bothered with this Type - nowdays its special just for collectors, in even in that case there are more rare tanks out there.

 



douglarse #27 Posted 08 December 2016 - 07:34 AM

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View PostFluffy_The_Destroyer, on 08 December 2016 - 12:34 AM, said:

 

http://wot-news.com/.../tankinfo/en/eu

Most of the time below the line then dips back down at the end. it needs buffing.

 

I said as far as I was concerned, not the same for everybody, mines runs above my average win rate atm.

View PostVelvet_Underground, on 08 December 2016 - 01:04 AM, said:

Hard to say; contrary to other vehicles *cough*japanese heavies*cough* (not overperforming globally from tier 5-8, at all:rolleyes:) the T-34-3s performance heavily depends on the respective server; it could use a buff on EU and NA but is doing (more than) fine on RU. I'm not sure whether that should warrant the vehicle a buff.

 

like most tanks I would say its more down the if it suits the player, I fail hard in some tanks that are "good" because it doesn't suit my general playstyle.

 



Eila_Juutilainen #28 Posted 08 December 2016 - 08:37 AM

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View PostCobra6, on 07 December 2016 - 09:15 PM, said:

No it's not, it's basically a T-44 with a slightly better turret but much worse mobility.

 

And the T-44 is one of the worst T8 mediums in the game at the moment.

 

Sure the T59 has preferential MM but you still come up against quite a number of enemies that your gun will have trouble with.

 

Cobra 6

 

Slightly better turret? Mate, T-44 can be penetrated with 150 pen on it's face, certainly with 200mm pen guns. Type 59 laughs at 200mm pen, and that's before you start using the -7 depression. And speaking of depression, T-44 only has -5. And even the hull is just much stronger.

Then add to that glorious preferential MM. Type is way better.

 

Also, it isn't that much slower because of the difference in terrain resistances, certainly not on medium terrain.

 

View PostZeFeKa, on 08 December 2016 - 01:07 AM, said:

And then, on your own link, you see the green line instead of the black one then you've the actual performance of the Type 59 after the powercreep & 8.1 change (and no nerf ffs).

 

The green line is only games from the last month or so. If you add curves from, say, the start of Februari, you get a different story. I added some more lines and... surprise, surprise! They resemble the black line more than the green line.

 

I dunno about you mate, but I think the stats are clearly showing overperformance here. Sure, it's not as bad as IS-6. And maybe it's not as bad as it used to be. But this is still overperformance.

 

 

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lonigus #29 Posted 08 December 2016 - 09:08 AM

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Type 59 was OP in 2012 when the MM often put tier 8 premiums against lower tiers. When i got KV5 back in 2011/12 the most I saw was 2 and in rare cases 3 other tier 8 tanks in the enemy team. Ofcourse mostly it was the type 59 which was almost imune against KV5 shells. No gold ammo for credits, very limited amount of other premiums, MM that put mostly only other premiums against other premiums, Type 59 being the only prem medium available back then. All that made the tank seem OP because alot of ppl got it and swarmed the very limited MM in the past making it literally impossible to play for anyone playing tier 6s and 7s due to the absence of gold ammo for credits. It was mainly a crowd control measure. It got available once again in early summer of 2012 as a test for one week and yet again the situation repeated with hords of types ruining the MM and the type 59 was taken out again and never returned since.

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dtdp #30 Posted 08 December 2016 - 09:57 AM

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yep and to think back at all the joy of playing against them in your m3 lee  :angry:

- there simply was not enough tier 8 and 9 tank drivers back in 2011/12 and they ruled the battlefields, and when they meet them type had the speed to circle them to death not having to worry too much for his tier 5 and 6 support   

- type could simply park in front tier 4,5,6 and even 7 tanks and killed them and then go and fight enemy tier 8

- this is what made them a legend in wot, today would be a different story



signal11th #31 Posted 08 December 2016 - 10:03 AM

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I would buy it for the collection (if under 25 quid) but apart from that the t54-prot/scorpion/patriot/mutz I'd say are all better than the 59, yes it has pref mm but meh who cares about that anymore.

tajj7 #32 Posted 08 December 2016 - 10:35 AM

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Not at all OP, but also not as bad as many owners try to make out. 

LordAxalon #33 Posted 15 December 2016 - 12:22 PM

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Thread Moved to correct section of the forum.

 

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_BARNS_ #34 Posted 13 February 2017 - 09:07 AM

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Just set up a poll if the Type-59 could need a soft buff or not ... 

 

http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/613391-type-59-soft-buff/page__st__20#topmost

 

Maybe you can show up, vote and give a short comment if you like.

 

Thx anyway



Tengri_Lethos #35 Posted 05 July 2017 - 10:55 PM

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It is simply horrible how you fail these days in Type59 against a WZ-132A or T-25 Pilot 1.

While i am still in the middle of aiming in, i have a full frontal penetration from WZ-132A and WZ retracts behind a ridge..

T-25 Pilot 1 simply puts a shot into my front from behind a ridge before i am able to get enough gun depression.

Type is so slow in movement, turning and aiming. it is in fact a desaster against current light + med tanks.

Me personally, i lost all interest in taking it out of garage.



mikeracecat #36 Posted 06 July 2017 - 10:19 AM

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the type59 is just like the t54 mod 1 stop crying



Aikl #37 Posted 06 July 2017 - 03:14 PM

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View PostEila_Juutilainen, on 08 December 2016 - 07:37 AM, said:

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I dunno about you mate, but I think the stats are clearly showing overperformance here. Sure, it's not as bad as IS-6. And maybe it's not as bad as it used to be. But this is still overperformance.

 

 

 

Gravedigging here, but premium tanks do tend to fire more premium ammo than "normal" tanks, don't have any stock grind, and the Type 59 is obviously played with rather seasoned crews.

 

Anyway, I think it's still decent, though being a T8 with archaic gun handling is rather annoying when the ammo capacity is so crap.

 

I'd be happy trading the fantasy-gundepression for a bit more acceleration and better gun handling, though I believe WG actually tried to do that back in 2012.



Eila_Juutilainen #38 Posted 07 July 2017 - 10:50 AM

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View PostAikl, on 06 July 2017 - 03:14 PM, said:

Gravedigging here, but premium tanks do tend to fire more premium ammo than "normal" tanks, don't have any stock grind, and the Type 59 is obviously played with rather seasoned crews.

 

While I don't think you can realistically back up the 'fire more premium ammo' argument, I will secede the other points. However, there are still new Types being introduced from time to time. Low quantities perhaps, but still occasional 'fresh' blood'. Not all Types are driven by seasoned owners with 5-6 skill crews. You also need to expect older owners to stop playing after a while (it has, after all, been years since WG stopped selling it).

Also, IMO the impact of crew skills diminishes after the first few, once you have the basics of BiA, Repair, Camo and Sixth Sense/Safe Stowage/SnapShot/Smooth Ride, all that's left is skills with very low bonusses. Well, Signal Boosting gives a massive bonus... to a useless stat. And other skills like Intuition and Adrenaline Rush are too unreliable. You're still getting bonusses, but nothing as massive as nearly doubling camo or module repair speed.

 

Still, you've made valid arguments and this is why I've always taken care not to compare it to non-premium tanks, yes. While the 'veteran' argument may not apply directly to most other premiums as they are regularly for sale, one can assume that a good number of people will have a skilled crew in their IS-6, for example, considering the popularity of Soviet HTs (and the massive quantity of crew trainers).

 

 

View PostAikl, on 06 July 2017 - 03:14 PM, said:

I'd be happy trading the fantasy-gundepression for a bit more acceleration and better gun handling, though I believe WG actually tried to do that back in 2012.

 

They did, and a shitstorm occurred over that.



Acerak #39 Posted 07 October 2017 - 10:40 PM

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Type is just bad now and absolutely no fun to play - which is what a game is supposed to be about. Sadly, there is no fun to be had taking this tank out on the battlefield now, it's bene powercreeped to oblivion and as I paid a fairly substantial amount of money for it back in the day, I feel genuinely cheated.  Well done WG.....................

FluffyRedFox #40 Posted 08 October 2017 - 11:44 AM

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And to think they give this away at contests :trollface:

 






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