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Poll: AMX ELC nerf (347 members have cast votes)

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Are these changes necessary?

  1. NO, they aren't needed (261 votes [74.79%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 74.79%

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    Percentage of vote: 25.21%

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Baldrickk #81 Posted 05 April 2017 - 04:56 PM

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View Posttajj7, on 05 April 2017 - 02:35 PM, said:

 

Pretty much yes, you pad to get more in stats from your current level of play without actually having to play any better, if you have to work hard only to achieve similar recents you are not padding very well.

 

IIRC he did it fairly recently and he's been playing at super unicum recents for quite a while. 

So if I were to put a lot of effort into padding in the T67, that's ok?



r00barb #82 Posted 05 April 2017 - 05:01 PM

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View PostBaldrickk, on 05 April 2017 - 03:56 PM, said:

So if I were to put a lot of effort into padding in the T67, that's ok?

 

It's only ok as long as you're not having any fun while doing it.

Mr_Burrows #83 Posted 05 April 2017 - 07:33 PM

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Nerfing the ELC is beyond stupid. The one and only "nerf" it needed to otherwise stay the same, was to be moved to tier 6. So simple, but WG just do not get it. I will even go as far as saying it could have made tier 7, had it gotten another 80 HP, a tier 10 radio and +45mm pen on standard ammo. 

 

But no. Lets destroy the fun tank of the game. 

 

9.18 will be a sad day. 

 

 

 

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Private_Pearts #84 Posted 05 April 2017 - 08:38 PM

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I did hear that they were putting a fully traversable turret onto the ELC. If this is the case then you might still see the 90mm gun as an option on a non traversable turret, e.g. as it is now.

mitoma333 #85 Posted 05 April 2017 - 08:40 PM

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View PostPrivate_Pearts, on 05 April 2017 - 08:38 PM, said:

I did hear that they were putting a fully traversable turret onto the ELC. If this is the case then you might still see the 90mm gun as an option on a non traversable turret, e.g. as it is now.

 

A fully traversable turret would be a travesty on the ELC AMX. 

mitoma333 #86 Posted 05 April 2017 - 08:45 PM

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Another interesting post: http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/531760-amx-elc-bis-changes-and-logical-replacement/

 

What seems to reflect once again is that not many people are keen on wargamings solution



anonym_YNch2j0j5oJ9 #87 Posted 05 April 2017 - 09:05 PM

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the poll is wrong, everyone who voted knows the poll is wrong, unless they are mentally ill of course, the poll only gives 2 options that basically states: 1. yes the nerfs are good, 2. no the nerfs are bad.

i love my ELC, i don't stat pad in it, only play it occasionally for some low tier fun but OBVIOUSLY the stats of the ELC could NOT stay the same if it doesn't meet tier 8 tanks anymore, this tank would be even a bigger beast if the stats stayed the same and meets tier 7's max. nerfs are indeed needed for the ELC, but not as much as they actually did nerf it, they nerfed it too much, the more obvious solution would be to make ELC a tier 6 tank and get a tier 5 replacement, but yeah, u know WG, either they nerf something to worthless status, or buff it to legendary status. I'm looking at you, Type 5.



r00barb #88 Posted 05 April 2017 - 09:08 PM

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View PostPrivate_Pearts, on 05 April 2017 - 07:38 PM, said:

I did hear that they were putting a fully traversable turret onto the ELC. If this is the case then you might still see the 90mm gun as an option on a non traversable turret, e.g. as it is now.

 

The turret only has a full traverse if you play it with the 75mm gun. Mounting the 90mm gives you the same 15o traverse that you get now.

mitoma333 #89 Posted 05 April 2017 - 09:15 PM

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View PostTerblanche77, on 05 April 2017 - 09:05 PM, said:

the poll is wrong, everyone who voted knows the poll is wrong, unless they are mentally ill of course, the poll only gives 2 options that basically states: 1. yes the nerfs are good, 2. no the nerfs are bad.

i love my ELC, i don't stat pad in it, only play it occasionally for some low tier fun but OBVIOUSLY the stats of the ELC could NOT stay the same if it doesn't meet tier 8 tanks anymore, this tank would be even a bigger beast if the stats stayed the same and meets tier 7's max. nerfs are indeed needed for the ELC, but not as much as they actually did nerf it, they nerfed it too much, the more obvious solution would be to make ELC a tier 6 tank and get a tier 5 replacement, but yeah, u know WG, either they nerf something to worthless status, or buff it to legendary status. I'm looking at you, Type 5.

 

Yeah I was thinking about starting a new poll with:

Nerf

Don't nerf

Put it at tier 6's

 

Because I myself would like it at tier 6's, it's the tier 8's that make playing the elc amx fun in my opinion


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Private_Pearts #90 Posted 05 April 2017 - 10:11 PM

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View PostStrappster, on 05 April 2017 - 09:08 PM, said:

 

The turret only has a full traverse if you play it with the 75mm gun. Mounting the 90mm gives you the same 15o traverse that you get now.

 

That is how I understood it.

RaxipIx #91 Posted 05 April 2017 - 11:49 PM

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View Posttajj7, on 05 April 2017 - 03:06 PM, said:

 

Nope.

 

You tried to make stat padding apply to wider bunch of tanks based on your wonky understanding of the term.

 

I didn't change any clauses to anything. What stat padding and what tanks are used for it are widely known by the forum and community, ELC being on of the well known ones. 

How exactly is the amx elc a stat padder tank? 

In this mm you are 90 bottom tier, and this is ok with me. Get a 4 perk crew skill on this thing and still the crapDPM will never ever make it a stat padder tank.

You can't kill jack crapfast enough and you are incredibly team dependent=whenever a tank is situational and team dependent in my eyes is crapat padding stats.

 

With the new "nerf" aka buff, if i feel like padding stat's i will load full gold with the 75 MM, and crapon every single tank i can possibly meet, with my 3 perk crew and food and fancy stuff. Also yes, i get half the alpha bot triple DPM. And if i can get the Chaffee work with it's normal 96 pen most of the time, and got 62 WR with e MOE, i'm pretty damn sure that any good,decent.better player will just decimate everything it meet's with that camo, VR, and DPM and also a fully rotating turret.

 

For the 45% WR player it might be a nerf, since they shoot once and die, but what about everybody with some idea how to bush, or play a light.

 

Honestly, the Chaffee will be blatantly OP in decent players hands too, as will most tier 5-6 light's with the new MM,

 

The way i see it, padding stat's is farming damage from the corner when all the team is near dead, or dead, making it most cases then not a lost game, anybody who get's high WN8, in unison with high WR mean's hes good at playing a tank, be it any tear, and is called exp  and using a brain, and abusing mechanics like all do ,   especially in tier 9-10.



Jumping_Turtle #92 Posted 06 April 2017 - 03:26 AM

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View PostStrappster, on 05 April 2017 - 09:08 PM, said:

 

The turret only has a full traverse if you play it with the 75mm gun. Mounting the 90mm gives you the same 15o traverse that you get now.

 

Do you also have the rof, pen and dmg for those two guns ?

 

Full gold om the 75mm might be an idea with a fully rotating turret....



lnfernaI #93 Posted 06 April 2017 - 06:45 AM

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Aside from the gun, some above-average mobility and camo,the tank has nothing going for it in it's nominal values. Things like Chaffee and Leopard,and even some T4 scouts are miles ahead of being better.

 

Camo doesn't mean Edited,if you can't spot anything yourself.

While other scouts will genuinely steal your spot dmg you so "hard" are trying to get.

 

EDIT: Inb4 some1 starts talking about playing it in TD - you have no DPM going for yourself. So just play actual TDs *points at T67,SU-85,Stug III.*

 

Also,wheres' the poll choice of "I don't care"?

Because that's how im feeling about the ELC at the moment.


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r00barb #94 Posted 06 April 2017 - 10:02 AM

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View PostJumping_Turtle, on 06 April 2017 - 02:26 AM, said:

Do you also have the rof, pen and dmg for those two guns ?

 

Full gold om the 75mm might be an idea with a fully rotating turret....

 

Figures from tanks.gg with usual caveats regarding the test server, base values so no vents, rammer, consumables, etc.

 

75mm SA32L Pen: 74/91.4/38 Dmg: 110/110/175 Reload: 4.32s  Dispersion: 0.40 DPM: 1,529.52 (stock)

75mm SA44L Pen: 100/129/38 Dmg: 110/110/175 Reload: 4.32s  Dispersion: 0.38 DPM: 1,529.52

90mm D.915 Pen: 120/150/45 Dmg: 240/240/320 Reload: 13.42s Dispersion: 0.36 DPM: 1,072.65

 

For the sake of comparison, figures from the current 9.17.1 patch ...

 

75mm SA32  Pen: 74/110/38  Dmg: 110/110/175 Reload: 4.12s  Dispersion: 0.44 DPM: 1,600.66 (stock)

75mm SA44  Pen: 100/129/38 Dmg: 110/110/175 Reload: 4.12s  Dispersion: 0.41 DPM: 1,600.66

90mm D.915 Pen: 170/248/45 Dmg: 240/240/320 Reload: 11.51s Dispersion: 0.36 DPM: 1,251.43

 


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View PostStrappster, on 06 April 2017 - 10:02 AM, said:

 

Figures from tanks.gg with usual caveats regarding the test server, base values so no vents, rammer, consumables, etc.

 

75mm SA32L Pen: 74/91.4/38 Dmg: 110/110/175 Reload: 4.32s  Dispersion: 0.40 DPM: 1,529.52 (stock)

75mm SA44L Pen: 100/129/38 Dmg: 110/110/175 Reload: 4.32s  Dispersion: 0.38 DPM: 1,529.52

90mm D.915 Pen: 120/150/45 Dmg: 240/240/320 Reload: 13.42s Dispersion: 0.36 DPM: 1,072.65

 

For the sake of comparison, figures from the current 9.17.1 patch ...

 

75mm SA32  Pen: 74/110/38  Dmg: 110/110/175 Reload: 4.12s  Dispersion: 0.44 DPM: 1,600.66 (stock)

75mm SA44  Pen: 100/129/38 Dmg: 110/110/175 Reload: 4.12s  Dispersion: 0.41 DPM: 1,600.66

90mm D.915 Pen: 170/248/45 Dmg: 240/240/320 Reload: 11.51s Dispersion: 0.36 DPM: 1,251.43

 

 

Thanks. hmmm 129 gold pen isnt that good on tier V. A lot of tanks have it way better.

mitoma333 #96 Posted 06 April 2017 - 11:45 AM

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Well let's be honest, if they turn it from a unique tier 5 vehicle into another generic tank, at least it'll fit into the turdline that is the french light tank tech tree

FryingTonight #97 Posted 09 April 2017 - 10:53 PM

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Well I just heard about the ELC nerfs on QB's stream.

 

Between this and the planned arty changes, I'll not be back to WoT. I'm no one special, and some other company will get my gaming money from now on. Bye bye WG.



Andreas__Kieling #98 Posted 11 April 2017 - 03:27 PM

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just don't do it. i really LOVE my elc bis, i have a 5 skill crew on this tank, spended LOTS of time and gold at this tank. why they don't let it, as it is and push it it to t6? if they really do this, it's a catastrophe for many players, who has their favorite tanks in light tank classed vehicels. for me, many of my favorite tanks are getting unimportant (like ru 251) or nerfed to stone age. 

and thats really frustrating. 

so please, just let the light tanks be and push them a tier up. easy solution...



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Post 10k games WR% on chafee 60%

Pre 5k games elc WR% slightly under 60%, so yeah seems balanced from that point of view.



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View Postmitoma333, on 03 April 2017 - 11:42 PM, said:

 

To be honest the old PZ IV was kiiiiiiiiinda op if you look at the stats, I played it back in the day but was too noob to realize how strong it rlly was.

Also your idea of upping it a few tiers, I kinda like it. I remember fighting tier 9's in my elc with the old, old matchmaking. Just give it 200 pen a bit more horsepower and hp and it's good to go in my opinion 

 

It just needs better gun handling, and nothing more. Give it T7 mm.




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