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Do you want to move the firefly line near the other british medium line?

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_G_u_d_e_r_i_a_n_ #1 Posted 25 April 2017 - 10:04 AM

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For me it's a non sense going from Firefly to a tank destroyer, i would like to get the Comet. What do you think?

Grand_Moff_Tano #2 Posted 25 April 2017 - 10:06 AM

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Better idea would be to fix the tiering of British tanks before thinking of moving the Firefly

WappenAdler #3 Posted 25 April 2017 - 10:14 AM

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imho it wouldn't make sense to go to the comet from the firefly, those two are completely different and don't share anything. The challenger shares the gun at least

Edited by Eaglax, 25 April 2017 - 10:15 AM.


_G_u_d_e_r_i_a_n_ #4 Posted 25 April 2017 - 03:38 PM

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View PostEaglax, on 25 April 2017 - 10:14 AM, said:

imho it wouldn't make sense to go to the comet from the firefly, those two are completely different and don't share anything. The challenger shares the gun at least

 

imho is no sense going to a TD

 

btw you can also move the arty line, so after the firefly you can choose: challenger or comet..... easy.

 

But i think that for wg Edited developers this easy thing is too difficult to understand

 

This post has been edited by the moderation team due to insult 


Edited by VMX, 25 April 2017 - 04:23 PM.


Grand_Moff_Tano #5 Posted 25 April 2017 - 03:49 PM

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View Post_G_u_d_e_r_i_a_n_, on 25 April 2017 - 02:38 PM, said:

 

imho is no sense going to a TD

 

btw you can also move the arty line, so after the firefly you can choose: challenger or comet..... easy.

 

But i think that for wg Edited developers this easy thing is too difficult to understand

 

It does make sense, considering the A30 Challenger (fully upgraded it's an A30 Avenger) is a Cruiser Tank and not a Tank Destroyer

Edited by VMX, 25 April 2017 - 04:24 PM.


Slyspy #6 Posted 25 April 2017 - 03:59 PM

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Or, alternatively, ask the question "when does a medium tank become a tank destroyer?". Perhaps when it is a medium tank up-gunned as far as possible specifically so that it may engage armoured targets which the regular models of medium tanks struggle with?

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View PostSlyspy, on 25 April 2017 - 02:59 PM, said:

Or, alternatively, ask the question "when does a medium tank become a tank destroyer?". 

When a Heavy Tank got classed a Tank Destroyer (T30) and Medium Tank (Matilda).


Edited by Chipmunk_of_Vengeance, 25 April 2017 - 04:01 PM.


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View Post_G_u_d_e_r_i_a_n_, on 25 April 2017 - 10:04 AM, said:

For me it's a non sense going from Firefly to a tank destroyer, i would like to get the Comet. What do you think?

 

The whole British tree is a mess, yes, but play the Firefly like a normal medium tank and see how that goes.



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View PostChipmunk_of_Vengeance, on 25 April 2017 - 04:00 PM, said:

When a Heavy Tank got classed a Tank Destroyer (T30) and Medium Tank (Matilda).

 

My favourite is the CDC which was specifically designed as a TD. And yet in WoT it is a medium tank. 

Grand_Moff_Tano #10 Posted 25 April 2017 - 04:10 PM

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View PostSlyspy, on 25 April 2017 - 03:05 PM, said:

 

My favourite is the CDC which was specifically designed as a TD. And yet in WoT it is a medium tank. 

 

That too. I'd include the Crusader in that as well imo since it acted more as a Medium Tank than a Light Tank. It's also interesting that that M26 can't research the T32.

Edited by Chipmunk_of_Vengeance, 25 April 2017 - 04:11 PM.


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View PostSlyspy, on 25 April 2017 - 02:59 PM, said:

Or, alternatively, ask the question "when does a medium tank become a tank destroyer?". Perhaps when it is a medium tank up-gunned as far as possible specifically so that it may engage armoured targets which the regular models of medium tanks struggle with?

 

In real life when it was deployed in the tank destroyer role which the Firefly wasn't.

VasilijeN #12 Posted 25 April 2017 - 04:24 PM

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View PostChipmunk_of_Vengeance, on 25 April 2017 - 04:10 PM, said:

 

That too. I'd include the Crusader in that as well imo since it acted more as a Medium Tank than a Light Tank. It's also interesting that that M26 can't research the T32.

It will be classified as a medium tank in 9.18



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View PostVasilijeN, on 25 April 2017 - 03:24 PM, said:

It will be classified as a medium tank in 9.18

 

And it'll still be overtiered, just like the Cromwell and Comet.

Edited by Chipmunk_of_Vengeance, 25 April 2017 - 04:25 PM.


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View PostChipmunk_of_Vengeance, on 25 April 2017 - 04:25 PM, said:

 

And it'll still be overtiered, just like the Cromwell and Comet.

 

Those tanks are ok for their tier, what's the problem?

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View PostVelvet_Underground, on 25 April 2017 - 03:27 PM, said:

 

Those tanks are ok for their tier, what's the problem?

 

I could give you a list of reasons, but I'll go with the obvious one and that is that all the Cromwells contemporaries are a tier below. And overtiered vehicles isn't an exclusive for the British Tech Tree.

Edited by Chipmunk_of_Vengeance, 25 April 2017 - 04:30 PM.


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in a way, it could be made just like the Tiger 1 & Tiger P...

 

perhaps it could connect to the Cromwell via a separate branch?



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View PostSlyspy, on 25 April 2017 - 03:59 PM, said:

Or, alternatively, ask the question "when does a medium tank become a tank destroyer?". Perhaps when it is a medium tank up-gunned as far as possible specifically so that it may engage armoured targets which the regular models of medium tanks struggle with?

 

I still argue that the Firefly was actually a TD, based on purpose regardless of doctrine.

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View PostChipmunk_of_Vengeance, on 25 April 2017 - 04:28 PM, said:

 

I could give you a list of reasons, but I'll go with the obvious one and that is that all the Cromwells contemporaries are a tier below. And overtiered vehicles isn't an exclusive for the British Tech Tree.

 

Tiers are based on combat effectiveness, not on production or deployment timelines. This is for reasons that should be completely obvious... 

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View PostDracheimFlug, on 25 April 2017 - 04:11 PM, said:

 

I still argue that the Firefly was actually a TD, based on purpose regardless of doctrine.

 

And you'd be wrong, the Firefly wasn't a Tank Destroyer, yes it was used in the role of a Tank Hunter, which is the same thing, but British Armour Doctrine places it as a Medium Tank rather than a Self-Propelled Gun.

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View PostDracheimFlug, on 25 April 2017 - 04:12 PM, said:

 

Tiers are based on combat effectiveness, not on production or deployment timelines. This is for reasons that should be completely obvious... 

 

And in terms of Combat effectiveness, the Crusader is is equal to Early Panzer III and IV variants, the Cromwell is equal to late Panzer IV models, Shermans and T-34-76, and the Comet is equal to the T-34-85, M4A3E8 and Panther (which is yet another overtiered tank).

Edited by Chipmunk_of_Vengeance, 25 April 2017 - 05:15 PM.






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