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ELC AMX french light tanks tier5 nerf

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Pishko98 #1 Posted 27 April 2017 - 08:17 PM

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Go in the corner of your room, lay down and start crying uncontrollably! :arta:

 

All jokes aside, I don't really like the changes to be honest. The ELC was hit pretty hard this update and I just don't think it deserved it (that is just MY opinion). I admit it, it is my most played tank and I have lots of fun in it. When I have a bad game in a high tier match I would always get my ELC and start blasting that 90mm cannon. It's just so unique and exciting to play, but after this patch I just don't feel the same way. Let's be honest the ELC AMX was never a true light tank - It has one of the worst view ranges out of all tier 5 light tanks and the signal range isn't amazing too. I would say that it was more like a tank destroyer that decided to throw away RoF out the window for speed and camo. After the new patch I don't think it's competitive anymore (AGAIN this is just MY opinion). Honestly I would much rather play an ELC with tier 6 matchmaking than the new one. In my opinion the best solution for this problem is to make the AMX 12t a tier 5 (with a 4-shot autoloader) and make the ELC a tier 6. Right now it just feels like a weaker Chaffee. Some people would also say that it was OP but honestly after 1000 games I don't think it improoved my stats at all, and I'm just an average player. Who knows maybe it was OP, I'm not the person to judge that. Well this is all I have to say about this. Tell me what do you guys think?



Turtle_Team #2 Posted 27 April 2017 - 08:27 PM

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how to handle the new elc amx? Just sell the now crippled piece of crap and retrain the crew for a medium tank, I have bounced so many shots with the new shite 90mm its just painful and even getting chased down by other tanks as I cant run away fast enough anymore if there is even a slight hill or I clip a twig in this unplayable wank of a tank

Pishko98 #3 Posted 27 April 2017 - 08:33 PM

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I do agree with you Johnny. The ELC feels really slow now. Let's not forget that speed was one of its main advantages. Now it feels sluggish, and as you said, I just get chased down a lot. 

Edited by Pishko98, 27 April 2017 - 08:35 PM.


renomint #4 Posted 30 April 2017 - 12:10 PM

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just got overtaken going uphill by a Pz T25................

sad, sad, day.



mickleblade #5 Posted 30 April 2017 - 03:45 PM

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Of course, if WG made bigger maps with a few bushes and trees and made it possible to passive scout the ELC might be playable. Now? it's too slow to active scout, too slow to even get to the prok magic bush, you need to fire full gold.  Jeez WG, the AMX38 and 40 are dreadful, you're now making it appalling for anyone to grind the french lights. 

JakeArmitage #6 Posted 30 April 2017 - 09:03 PM

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How to handle it? Sell it. Nerfed so that it is not even fun. I was passed by a Skoda T40 on Sand River. Gun is a joke. 

Ice_Cream_Van #7 Posted 06 May 2017 - 10:26 AM

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One bearded Edited in WG probably was suffering too much from ELC when was grinding his beloved German heavy tank line. When he became WG employee, he got his vengeance.

I am not playing WOT till ELC is rolled back to 9.17, not buying gold, prem tanks, nothing.

 

This post has been edited by the moderation team due to swearing. 


Edited by VMX, 02 June 2017 - 01:09 PM.


gekkehenkie50 #8 Posted 06 May 2017 - 03:00 PM

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The ELC AMX (yes, I'm calling it by its true name and nature) was the most rewarding tank to specialise in. Why? Because it had a steep learning curve and a nigh unlimited potential. Now? Now it is a go-kart who's engine has been limited by government "Safety Precautions", and the gun has been turned into a huge peashooter. Put simply, I would gladly have the same 9.17mm for the ELC, and get its old stats back too. I can live with the 320 hp, although getting one shot by IS tanks is kinda painful. But the engine AND the gun? No, that was the main feature of the ELC: Power to wait ratio, BIG EFFECTIVE GUN, camo rating.

Now? Just camo? I guess... :bush:

I say the OP puts in a Poll/Petition to bring back the ELC AMX in its true form!

NVM, made one myself! ^^ Cast your vote here!


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MeetriX #9 Posted 06 May 2017 - 05:08 PM

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I was interested to try new 360 turret, but as you know it need 75mm and to mount that I would need to buy it.

No tanks.

Could not mount the stock gun without buying it first. What da fak? Did WG sell it and keep the credits?

Was not even only tank that lost modules. Some new "improved" tanks has no stock engines.

 

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lafeel #10 Posted 06 May 2017 - 07:19 PM

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QB actually tried it out with the 75mm and rather liked it. Make of that whatever you want, but for me it says the ELC is not dead..

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View Postlafeel, on 06 May 2017 - 07:19 PM, said:

QB actually tried it out with the 75mm and rather liked it. Make of that whatever you want, but for me it says the ELC is not dead..

 

Thing is, if we wanted a DPM gun with 360 and okay stats, why choose the ELC AMX? It has worse turret traverse, worse mobility now, and worse health than, for example, the Chaffee, or any other tier V light tank. The ELC is still viable, but only if you sacrifice it's old essence AND make do with what is frankly an underpowered light tank compared to the other counterparts

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View Postgekkehenkie50, on 06 May 2017 - 07:17 PM, said:

 

Thing is, if we wanted a DPM gun with 360 and okay stats, why choose the ELC AMX? It has worse turret traverse, worse mobility now, and worse health than, for example, the Chaffee, or any other tier V light tank. The ELC is still viable, but only if you sacrifice it's old essence AND make do with what is frankly an underpowered light tank compared to the other counterparts

 

Going to try it out for myself if you don't mind. Will get back to you on how it went after a couple of games (won't be till after the next equipment sale though)

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View PostPishko98, on 27 April 2017 - 08:17 PM, said:

Let's be honest the ELC AMX was never a true light tank - It has one of the worst view ranges out of all tier 5 light tanks and the signal range isn't amazing too.

 

The ELC AMX was the epitome of a light tank, all gun and engine. Since WG due to reasons decided to not move it to tier VI, the gun-nerf was understandable, but no...  they did the same to the ELC they did to the French TDs, going for the mobility as well. The ELB simply lacks the acceleration needed to be played like it used to.

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Did anyone try to drive it both with "Strong coffee" and "105-octane fuel"? Does it make some notable effect on mobility?

Turtle_Team #15 Posted 09 May 2017 - 01:50 PM

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I failed to circle an AT2 on medium ground due to lack of power in the last game before I sold mine

Noo_Noo #16 Posted 17 May 2017 - 05:07 PM

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My lord they've murdered it. 

the gun handling was bad but have they made it worse? 
 

Mobility nerfs are atrocious at best.  

 

I concede that changes were needed due to the new MM but this is one they've taken too far in my book. 



Noo_Noo #17 Posted 17 May 2017 - 07:39 PM

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Typically after having a right moan here I ace it in the very next game with 7 kills. 

That said you have to play it so much more passively now. You, well I cant play it anywhere near as aggressively as I have done in the past. 

I might stick with it a little. I'm really close to 3 marks on it (91%) and it would be nice to get the 3. It would be the first tank I've managed it on. 

Noo_Noo #18 Posted 18 May 2017 - 04:33 PM

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Played it exclusively today with one game in the 13 57 for the daily double. Ended up with a days average of over 2950 WN8 although my damage ratio did drop a little. I aced it a few times and had a 67% WR for the day.  I did experiment with the turreted gun. It's okish but you try to play it differently than the 90mm and that didn't work so well for me and that has dropped my stats for the day down a fair bit to e honest. 

I'm back with the 90mm and I like the tank again having got used to the new mobility and gun handling. For me it's all about controlling the distance between you and the enemy in this tank now. I play it as a mini and very mobile TD. It can carry games provided it can control the engagement. 

Word of warning though I was due some good results following a horrific few days  so that has likely put a spin on things. 

Two words of frustration. The gun trolls you. Secondly the amount of times I shot enemy tanks today and left them on a sliver of health is unreal. Particularly frustrating when taking out ARTY. You always need the second shot and never get it because someone sneaks in before you've reloaded. 
 

Noo_Noo #19 Posted 18 May 2017 - 04:39 PM

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here's a replay of my last game in it. 

 

A fair chunk of luck but managed to carry it. 

http://www.vbaddict.net/battleimage/noo_noo/kharkov-france-amx_elc_bis-48422463517603888.png



Gremlin182 #20 Posted 18 May 2017 - 05:18 PM

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Lets face it there was not and still isn't any reason to nerf the AMX ELC

The removal of Scout matchmaking gave them an excuse to rebalance all light tanks because they would now be facing lower tier tanks.

OK  then just move every single light tank that had scout MM up one tier.

Leave stats alone leave camo paint alone crews and their skills equipment and so on.

 

Then put new light tanks in to fill in the gap.

There could be and most likely would be no complaints.

All tier 6 light tanks that used to face tier 9 tanks would now be tier 7 tanks facing tier 9 tanks.

Because of the +2 -2 mm they would also be facing lower tier tanks but because they were moved up a tier that too would be the same.

 

They went for an overly complicated method that took lots of time and effort to balance it all and more to the point it made people unhappy.

Im not that unhappy with the changes from my point of view the T49 got a rather nice boost with its 90mm gun as did the 59-16 with its 76mm and I think the 13-75 plays much better with a 4 shot clip.

 

Removing the 105 from the VK well im not over the moon but its still decent. only the AMX ELC comes out of it as the poor relation.

Nerfing the 90mm yes if it stayed at tier 5 that was a given.

Full turret and 75mm gun that's rather good.

Removing the engine and nerfing the specific power well that was just an unnecessary low blow

 

Given that the real tank had a 250 engine and a speed of 80 the in game ELC already entered the game slightly nerfed and now the engine is down to 180 its crippled.

Its playable but there is no real reason for anyone to consider it a keeper, which many did till 9.18.

The Original could even turn its turret 360 with the 90mm gun though it had to be stationary so to implement that would need some kind of siege mode probably not worth adding.

 

Its too late to move it to tier 6 but putting the engine back in to give it the original specific power could and should be done.






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