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Search_Warrant #1 Posted 29 April 2017 - 04:48 PM

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Got more pen? nice bloom? who cares when i cant hit the broad side of a f*** barn. i got outsniped by a FCM 50t for god sakes. whats the point of the turd? T-54 is a straight upgrade. i also bounced 3 times off a FCM 100% aimed because sh** accuracy and crap pen. tier 9 light tank my ballsack WG. this is NOT TIER 9 WORTHY.

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Obsessive_Compulsive #2 Posted 29 April 2017 - 04:49 PM

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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 29 April 2017 - 04:48 PM, said:

Got more pen? nice bloom? who cares when i cant hit the broad side of a f*** barn. i got outsniped by a FCM 50t for god sakes. whats the point of the turd? T-54 is a straight upgrade. i also bounced 3 times off a FCM 100% aimed because sh** accuracy and crap pen. tier 9 light tank my ballsack WG. this is NOT TIER 9 WORTHY.

 

sniping in a light tank. how very red line of you. have you tried brawling?

Velvet_Underground #3 Posted 29 April 2017 - 05:59 PM

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Oh look, OP made yet another whine thread:sceptic:

Search_Warrant #4 Posted 30 April 2017 - 03:15 AM

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View PostConor_Notorious_McGregor, on 29 April 2017 - 03:49 PM, said:

 

sniping in a light tank. how very red line of you. have you tried brawling?

 

Where did i say i was sniping? it was a mid distance, you really think id make a thread over long range red line shots? ofc not. these should not have missed (and bounced!)

Damage_inc #5 Posted 30 April 2017 - 08:58 AM

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The lightweight has NEVER been good at sniping your a LT you got speed and a damn right good turret. close the distance and get into a hull down position or back away and flank the FCM just because you got destroyed by the FCM doesn't mean its a bad tanks, its because you're playing it wrong

tnk_x5000 #6 Posted 30 April 2017 - 12:42 PM

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I am afraid to try out the tank for myself. Yes, the tank used to have 0.38 base accuracy, but 0.42 (or something) ? That is hardly reliable at mid-ranges.

I mean, what was with all the accuracy nerfs? So the lights can't do as much damage? The idea of a light being unable to make damage is for the light to have bad penetration and alpha and to force it to search for the weak spots. Then the accuracy is there to make shots reliable in weak spots and tracks.

And now here is the T-54 ltwt - what is this? Give the tank back the old gun properties - they worked right. Yes, the light T-54 was more of a brawler light, but not a face-to-face brawling heavy.

 

Still have to try the tank for myself, but I am worried it has lost its essence, just because its gun dot destroyed.



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Looks pretty damn solid to me tbh. Although QB accidentally putting his into the lake on Lakewille during last night's stream was pretty funny.

WILD_NAKED_PANDA #8 Posted 06 May 2017 - 07:30 AM

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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 29 April 2017 - 03:48 PM, said:

Got more pen? nice bloom? who cares when i cant hit the broad side of a f*** barn. i got outsniped by a FCM 50t for god sakes. whats the point of the turd? T-54 is a straight upgrade. i also bounced 3 times off a FCM 100% aimed because sh** accuracy and crap pen. tier 9 light tank my ballsack WG. this is NOT TIER 9 WORTHY.

 

So T54-Lwt faces basicly the same enemy Tier levels as before, but got more PEN & DPM - and so kind of decently buffed - but now upper trash? Mhm interesting logic :D

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It gets better gun handling than the f*cking Conqueror, thats disgusting

Search_Warrant #10 Posted 06 May 2017 - 03:03 PM

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View Postfishbob101, on 06 May 2017 - 01:57 PM, said:

It gets better gun handling than the f*cking Conqueror, thats disgusting

 

dispersion yes. accuracy no.

AuroraBoreaIis #11 Posted 06 May 2017 - 07:40 PM

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It's actually so much better compared to before. The new gun makes all the difference, excellent bloom now while it had absolutely retarded bloom before. Although the accuracy is worse now, I feel I actually hit much more now. Plus the better pen really helps too. Even considereing to keep it now after I unlock the T-100.

Search_Warrant #12 Posted 07 May 2017 - 12:46 PM

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View PostAuroraBoreaIis, on 06 May 2017 - 06:40 PM, said:

It's actually so much better compared to before. The new gun makes all the difference, excellent bloom now while it had absolutely retarded bloom before. Although the accuracy is worse now, I feel I actually hit much more now. Plus the better pen really helps too. Even considereing to keep it now after I unlock the T-100.

 

Feels like a semi-ok tier 8 medium. not a tier 9.

silence5 #13 Posted 09 May 2017 - 07:55 PM

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Honestly ... I think its the best tank tier for tier right now. 

I consistently hitting 3k damage with this bad boy. I just play it like a pussy medium. 

Its overbuffed if you ask me.

 

My first 2 games today in it:

Victory!
Battle: Tundra 
Vehicles: T-54 ltwt.
Experience received: 3.556 (x2 for the first victory each day)
Credits earned: 54.545 (fine for damage caused to allies: 66)
Battle achievements: High Caliber, Confederate, Spartan, Mastery Badge: "I Class"

 

Victory!
Battle: Highway 
Vehicles: T-54 ltwt.
Experience received: 1.943
Credits earned: 60.885
Battle achievements: Top Gun, High Caliber, Tank Sniper, Pascucci's Medal, Mastery Badge: "I Class"

 

The fact that I didnt get an ace tanker for the second game since I had 1.3k base xp just tells me that this tank is being abused realy hard right now. (never had such a high requirement to get an ace tanker on a new line)


Edited by silence5, 09 May 2017 - 07:57 PM.


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What do you say 54LT vets - Vents or Vstab?

 

After 54LT 9.18 buffs to gun stabilisation I'm seriously considering dumping Vstab for vents, just to get that extra 2% all around.

 

It looks gun bloom might be good eneough without Vstab.

Fiddling with tanks.gg I can see the same bloom values in 9.18 with vents+rammer+optics as in 9.17 with Vstab+rammer+optics.

 

 



Eila_Juutilainen #15 Posted 16 May 2017 - 08:04 AM

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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 07 May 2017 - 12:46 PM, said:

 

Feels like a semi-ok tier 8 medium. not a tier 9.

 

That's the point though, isn't it? It shouldn't feel like a tier 9 medium, that's what actual tier 9 mediums are for :bajan:

General_McMuschi #16 Posted 17 May 2017 - 07:43 AM

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My opinion is that LTWT is much better now than before this patch.

 

I used to hate this tank so much, and now I quite like it.

 

Prior to this patch, this tank had nothing going for it: useless armor because it was in t10 or even t11 battles all the time; bad gun depression; poor mobility; not enough shells; very poor gun handling and bad penetration; basically, too sluggish to be difficult target to hit when active scouting, too bad camo and too slow to be passive scout; such crappy gun and DPM to compete with mediums it meets or to cause damage to other tanks. It really had nothing to offer.

 

Now, WG buffed two important things about it - power to weight ratio has been buffed a lot, from something like 22HP/t to something like 32HP/t which makes it a lot more mobile and enjoable; and soft stats about the gun, to be more precise - gun handling on the move which I believe used to be 0.12 when moving hull and turret and now is 0.08 which is actually amazing.

 

Sure, I used to be able to snipe on mid range a little bit better, and now I almost never hit anything - accuracy is terrible, sniping is waste of time. But firing on the move used to be so terrible in this tank, and I was always even afraid to waste shells firing on the move thinking I'd miss the target or not pen which is not smart when you don't carry much ammo. Now I hit when on the move all the time and that's what's most incredible about it (I think shell velocity might have been buffed too but I'm not sure of it?). With new mobility, pen, mm, and gun handling on the move I actually feel like LTWT finally has a purpose.

 

1) it is now much better antiscout than before

2) armor works better and turret is way more reliable

3) it's much better at actively scouting because of stronger engine

4) basically, LTWT is now antiscout, active scout, dogfighter, flanker and it used to be none of it

 

also, with new mobility it feels now more like an upgrade to LTTB than it did before - the playstyle is similar, agressive supporting light which plays just like lttb but has better depression and armor, while it used to be more like something t-54 vomits out when had too much vodka.

 

If you cannot do okay in new LTWT, you either expect too much from it or don't understand it's advantages - it actually has advantages now (just forget about sniping, you'll have to be very lucky to snipe weakspots). Also, carry plenty of premium ammo - not as much as before this patch, but I think ~40% of your ammo should be premium. Try to invest in a good crew, get BiA, snap shot, smooth ride, and if you can - recon, deadeye, situational awareness, firefighting (so you can carry food instead of extinguisher). I have controled impact which is also not a terrible idea.

 

However, I still think it needs DPM buff and buffing gold pen would be very nice too.


Edited by General_McMuschi, 17 May 2017 - 07:53 AM.


Eila_Juutilainen #17 Posted 17 May 2017 - 08:06 AM

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View PostGeneral_McMuschi, on 17 May 2017 - 07:43 AM, said:

Prior to this patch, this tank had nothing going for it

 

It had one thing going for it: it was basically one of the best tanks for T8 organized play.

 

And that shows how stupid the old LT MM was.


Edited by Eila_Juutilainen, 17 May 2017 - 09:25 AM.


Rokim #18 Posted 17 May 2017 - 08:26 AM

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T54 lightweight trash? 2x better gun stats except accuracy and +10hp/t ratio than before with here is a flash,same mm.Rofl this tank is op

azakow #19 Posted 17 May 2017 - 09:23 AM

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It was good before and it is even better now.

But hey, I do not expect much different from the OP.

:)

 

View PostGeneral_McMuschi, on 17 May 2017 - 07:43 AM, said:

However, I still think it needs DPM buff and buffing gold pen would be very nice too.

... in order to increase your 800 average dmg even further?!

Please try harder to make use of what you have got already.

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tnk_x5000 #20 Posted 21 May 2017 - 09:59 PM

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I played a few games with it - as long as you hit and run it works, but that is pretty much all it can do now, and in order to do it properly it would need the extra DPM.

And there is the Ru 251, which has the better gun in terms of penetration and accuracy along with a lot more view range, which gives the tank more options and actually allow it to keep its distance because of the lacking armor.

 

I want to know - how was the T-54 Ltwt. OP in the past and how is it OP now? Armor has only worked against other lights, while 190 mm penetration (with the Ru 251) could penetrate the front of the turret. Now lights have even more penetration, making the armor even less reliable. Gun in the past caused problems against heavies because of penetration, even if you tried to use your camouflage and view range, which were not that much anyway. Today you can only roll the dice when shooting, if you try to use the view range and camouflage, which are still not that much anyway, or use none of them and try to use your armor and firepower, which are not too good for the tier either.

 

I would have liked if the T-54 ltwt. had just gotten the extra HP and, of course, the extra mobility, without touching the gun, not when it is about nerfing the accuracy.

 

Edit:

Playing more with the tank - it either needs the extra DPM or alpha so it can work in closer ranges, or the extra accuracy and/or view range to be able to keep its distance and fulfill its support and scout roles properly. Armor still cannot be relied on.


Edited by tnk_x5000, 25 May 2017 - 07:22 PM.





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