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Afdass #21 Posted 05 December 2017 - 07:51 PM

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Nah. The tank is great. So far I got 3x 15-0 losses with this thing in one afternoon. I can't spot because I have no VR. I can't do damage because that thing has no dmg output whatsoever. If you get into a tier 10 game (90% of times) you get shat on by the tier 10 lights. If you have to fight tier 10 or tier 9 or even tier 8 tanks, you can't do damage, penetrate them or even track them because 1) no standard penetration (170 is a joke) 2) no premium penetration (210 is a joke).

 

I'm waiting for some kind of buff to this piece of crap because the way this is now is pure trash.



Iscoed1815 #22 Posted 06 December 2017 - 12:05 PM

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I have max VR on mine running optics so can I suggest you get a better crew!

Evilier_than_Skeletor #23 Posted 06 December 2017 - 12:21 PM

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View PostMR_FIAT, on 03 December 2017 - 05:42 PM, said:

Absolutely hate this thing, just to rub more salt in the wounds it unlocks three tier 9 tanks wtf. why am i forced to play a terrible light tank line to get the meds bleh.

 

Same here, unlocking one tank should be punishment enough, but three... Also, from the 4 round clip one round doesn't pen and one flies to another area code. This thing basically has tier 1 DPM :sceptic:

shane73tank #24 Posted 08 December 2017 - 07:31 AM

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It's a pure skaut/ end game tank , struggles even with the butt of some tier 10 tanks ,  like most tanks once crew on way to skill 3 performance takes a jump

undutchable80 #25 Posted 08 December 2017 - 08:07 AM

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About to unlock it, so what equipment do you run on it? I am playing the French LTs more as a passive scout at the start and hunt low hp / lone tonks (arties) mid-to-late game.

Iscoed1815 #26 Posted 08 December 2017 - 02:49 PM

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I run vent, optics and V stab with a full BIA crew, I get about 450 spotting, don't use bino's the amount of maps that you can use them on is diminishing every month, plus most decent spotting positions are so well known now, you'll get blind fired on anyway.

shane73tank #27 Posted 26 December 2017 - 09:47 AM

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View Postundutchable80, on 08 December 2017 - 07:07 AM, said:

About to unlock it, so what equipment do you run on it? I am playing the French LTs more as a passive scout at the start and hunt low hp / lone tonks (arties) mid-to-late game.

 Vents, optics and vstab for me

View PostIscoed1815, on 08 December 2017 - 01:49 PM, said:

I run vent, optics and V stab with a full BIA crew, I get about 450 spotting, don't use bino's the amount of maps that you can use them on is diminishing every month, plus most decent spotting positions are so well known now, you'll get blind fired on anyway.

I have a girl crew with gun handling , and 80% camo - you don’t need to kemp bush in this tank, stay mobile and late game sting like a bee

 

its very strange, just realised in nearly 200 games I have 59% wr in this thing which is really high for me , I’m enjoying it


Edited by shane73tank, 26 December 2017 - 09:49 AM.


MR_FIAT #28 Posted 07 January 2018 - 04:46 PM

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trying to powergrind this thing wanting to get as much out of the double xp is like pulling nails, not helped by the horrible MM constant bottom tier on tiny confined maps AND being tunnel focused by everything. what is up with people being so obsessed with killing me, sure taking guns out of the game but in every single situation everyone wants me dead so badly its insane it makes playing this garbage pile even more frustrating.

shane73tank #29 Posted 08 January 2018 - 02:50 PM

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View PostMR_FIAT, on 07 January 2018 - 03:46 PM, said:

trying to powergrind this thing wanting to get as much out of the double xp is like pulling nails, not helped by the horrible MM constant bottom tier on tiny confined maps AND being tunnel focused by everything. what is up with people being so obsessed with killing me, sure taking guns out of the game but in every single situation everyone wants me dead so badly its insane it makes playing this garbage pile even more frustrating.

 

I was doing OK but the weekend was not so good, corridor maps seemed to be in rotation and this combined with people not being willing to shoot what I spotted made it a difficult weekend for traditional LT play, I did some damage but my MOE stats  & WR in the tank dropped a bit - it just goes that way some weekends and when it does it is felt keener in light tanks - tier 8 especially.  My crew is almost done with Skill number 3 so on someones advice I did drop out Vents and slapped on Bino's instead, you could give this a try. 

 

I think "Power Grind" is the right way to do this as the tank has a rather specialized play style so not jumping between completely different styles would make sense 

 



Afdass #30 Posted 31 January 2018 - 08:40 PM

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Enjoying the tank everytime I play, except those times where I can't do anything because team/map not found. Or because RNG tends to screw you over.

My first ever 3-marked tank (and probably the only one :trollface:) in 190-ish games. Still have 80k exp to do before unlocking the BC 25t AP. Then I'm done with it (and maybe the marks drop down to 80% at that time).

 

Spoiler

 

Spoiler

 

One of my best games that almost gave me the 3rd mark (marks went up by 1.5/1.6%)

 

Is enjoyable to play with but sometimes it just doesn't work and can the fact that you need to play this tank in order to unlock 3 tier 9 tanks that require 200k exp each it can be a pain in the a**. That's probably why I just want to get the the 13 90 and the 25t and not the AMX 30B aswell...



shane73tank #31 Posted 01 February 2018 - 12:03 AM

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View PostAfdass, on 31 January 2018 - 07:40 PM, said:

Enjoying the tank everytime I play, except those times where I can't do anything because team/map not found. Or because RNG tends to screw you over.

My first ever 3-marked tank (and probably the only one :trollface:) in 190-ish games. Still have 80k exp to do before unlocking the BC 25t AP. Then I'm done with it (and maybe the marks drop down to 80% at that time).

 

Spoiler

 

Spoiler

 

One of my best games that almost gave me the 3rd mark (marks went up by 1.5/1.6%)

 

Is enjoyable to play with but sometimes it just doesn't work and can the fact that you need to play this tank in order to unlock 3 tier 9 tanks that require 200k exp each it can be a pain in the a**. That's probably why I just want to get the the 13 90 and the 25t and not the AMX 30B aswell...

 

 congrats well done. 

Snaques #32 Posted 01 February 2018 - 11:57 PM

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Just three marked this tank as well. By far my favourite French LT so far. It is mobile, has good camo, the gun is a big upgrade over the 1375 and maybe the best part is that it has more gun elevation than 1375. :great:

 

Ran it with vents, vstab and optics and had 2,5 skill crew. This gave me 450m VR which was perfectly fine for a tank with good camo.

 

The MoE grind was really strange since at 94.5% I still hadn't aced it. I almost hoped that I wouldn't 'cause it would've been a nice story, three mark a tank without acing it. Well, "unfortunately" I got two aces in a row at the end and got the stripes. Ace required something like 1280 base xp, which felt quite high. I have a 65% WR in it which is really nice for an LT.

 

I actually quite like the four shell clip as it has decent clip potential, but you can also reload it after one or two shots without feeling stupid for a minute like in MT BCs.

 

The way you play the tank is spot on open maps and be really really opportunistic on city maps. By opportunistic I mean that you just save your hit points and only jump on guys who are distracted or can be clipped. Feels like it is even more important in the 12t than in the other tier 8 LTs. When the game is like 9-9, you can really run a riot even in tier X games. What comes to the MM, I hate to be top tier in LTs. It is so difficult to get high combined damage games in those compared to when you are bottom tier and can spot for Grilles, E3s and whatnot.

 

 



shane73tank #33 Posted 04 February 2018 - 12:17 PM

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View PostSnaques, on 01 February 2018 - 10:57 PM, said:

Just three marked this tank as well. By far my favourite French LT so far. It is mobile, has good camo, the gun is a big upgrade over the 1375 and maybe the best part is that it has more gun elevation than 1375. :great:

 

Ran it with vents, vstab and optics and had 2,5 skill crew. This gave me 450m VR which was perfectly fine for a tank with good camo.

 

The MoE grind was really strange since at 94.5% I still hadn't aced it. I almost hoped that I wouldn't 'cause it would've been a nice story, three mark a tank without acing it. Well, "unfortunately" I got two aces in a row at the end and got the stripes. Ace required something like 1280 base xp, which felt quite high. I have a 65% WR in it which is really nice for an LT.

 

I actually quite like the four shell clip as it has decent clip potential, but you can also reload it after one or two shots without feeling stupid for a minute like in MT BCs.

 

The way you play the tank is spot on open maps and be really really opportunistic on city maps. By opportunistic I mean that you just save your hit points and only jump on guys who are distracted or can be clipped. Feels like it is even more important in the 12t than in the other tier 8 LTs. When the game is like 9-9, you can really run a riot even in tier X games. What comes to the MM, I hate to be top tier in LTs. It is so difficult to get high combined damage games in those compared to when you are bottom tier and can spot for Grilles, E3s and whatnot.

 

 

Well done and yep it is really hard to ace this damned thing , late game with good timing you can really make a difference 



shane73tank #34 Posted 11 February 2018 - 01:58 PM

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Just elited this today, vents optics and binos, in the end 380 games with a 58% wr which is awesome for my skill level, the downside is I dropped to 80% moe, I know this is because I started to grind the Chinese ht line and the changes in playstyle made me forget some good LT discipline, I think I’ll take a break and then get it back to 85% 

 

its a great little tank 


Edited by shane73tank, 11 February 2018 - 01:59 PM.


HEADD #35 Posted 11 April 2018 - 01:25 PM

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Worst tier8 tank in game.Clip that does only around 600dmg.Cant clip with that even tier6 tank+170pen gun=total crap.

Negativvv #36 Posted 11 April 2018 - 04:34 PM

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Is it really that bad?

 

I'm enjoying my T10 Bat Chat push currently and I'm on the 13 75.

 

On paper the Bat Chat 12t looks awful...



Afdass #37 Posted 11 April 2018 - 07:36 PM

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View PostNegativvv, on 11 April 2018 - 03:34 PM, said:

Is it really that bad?

 

I'm enjoying my T10 Bat Chat push currently and I'm on the 13 75.

 

On paper the Bat Chat 12t looks awful...

 

It's not bad. But it's not great either. The whole tank relies on its mobility (which isn't that good) and its camo. The clip only works to kill bleading tanks or get some flanking shots. Or just run around shooting or clipping things, keep running while reloading, and keep shooting once again.

tumppi776 #38 Posted 12 April 2018 - 07:10 AM

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View PostAfdass, on 11 April 2018 - 06:36 PM, said:

 

....The whole tank relies on its mobility (which isn't that good) and its camo. ...

 

Mind boggles?!?! it an LT - those are the most important features for LT. The autoloader is very nice.

Evilier_than_Skeletor #39 Posted 12 April 2018 - 08:58 AM

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As crew has improved this tank has become more enjoyable. If willing to take a loss, food and liberal gold use do wonders to help with the unreliable gun. Just might grind all three following tonks. I think Snaques' last paragraph is spot on and you need to keep this thing moving.

Afdass #40 Posted 12 April 2018 - 04:36 PM

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View Posttumppi776, on 12 April 2018 - 06:10 AM, said:

 

Mind boggles?!?! it an LT - those are the most important features for LT. The autoloader is very nice.

 

Soviet LT's don't need to rely that much on camo or mobility because they're russian and they can bounce things that even some mediuns can't. Just pointed that statement because the tanks hasn't really that much more going for it. Base VR is nothing to be proud of, gun is a potato launcher (not in ELC EVEN scales) but kind of works, mobility is meh (once you get through a water puddle you go from 60km/h to 30), DPM is horrible, etc. But well, has one of the best camos amongst same tier lights and all you need is really keep moving while clipping things for 600 dmg and come back 18sec later to deliver the next 600 dmg.






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