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ELC AMX Re-buff buff unfair update petition

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Poll: Bring back the ELC AMX in its old form (Pre 9.17) (110 members have cast votes)

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Should the ELC AMX be restored to its old potential?

  1. Yes! (84 votes [75.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 75.00%

  2. No (11 votes [9.82%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.82%

  3. No, but it should receive some form of buff (17 votes [15.18%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 15.18%

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gekkehenkie50 #1 Posted 06 May 2017 - 03:04 PM

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The ELC AMX (yes, I'm calling it by its true name and nature) was the most rewarding tank to specialise in. Why? Because it had a steep learning curve and a nigh unlimited potential. Now? Now it is a go-kart who's engine has been limited by government "Safety Precautions", and the gun has been turned into a huge peashooter. Put simply, I would gladly have the same 9.17mm for the ELC, and get its old stats back too. I can live with the 320 hp, although getting one shot by IS tanks is kinda painful. But the engine AND the gun? No, that was the main feature of the ELC: Power to wait ratio, BIG EFFECTIVE GUN, camo rating.

Now? Just camo? I guess... :bush:

I say we bring back the REAL ELC AMX!

 

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You_Should_End_It_All #2 Posted 15 May 2017 - 08:20 PM

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"You picked the wrong tank fool!"~ big smoke 2017 

 

Go nerf the T110E5 or something, just stop raping the poor little french anus it can't take much more of this



Erwin_Von_Braun #3 Posted 15 May 2017 - 08:41 PM

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Yes, along with every other LT that was bummed/castrated during the last patch.

antoine130 #4 Posted 23 May 2017 - 11:04 PM

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The tank seems excellent after 9.18, possibly the best tier 5 scout IMO. 360 turret, 43% camo on the move, ~380m VR with Sos+vents, 1700 DPM on the 75mm gun........very small silhouette... this tank is god mode compared to Chafee and Leopard



antoine130 #5 Posted 23 May 2017 - 11:07 PM

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You think ELC seeing the new OP premiums is a good idea?

voodoospirit #6 Posted 24 May 2017 - 09:49 AM

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elc met tier9 tanks in the past....so premiums OP wont be worse...and versus defenders or others , it wasn t that bad, it had the mobility and nimbleness to relocate...

 

now it s a TD, not a scout....after 2k battles in it..now i just use the binocs, sit in a bush, load gold to pen tanks (MM+2),tanks that  i pened with regular ammo before....and that s all.

i want a T5 scout? i play the T67...



antoine130 #7 Posted 24 May 2017 - 10:23 AM

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View Postvoodoospirit, on 24 May 2017 - 09:49 AM, said:

elc met tier9 tanks in the past....so premiums OP wont be worse...and versus defenders or others , it wasn t that bad, it had the mobility and nimbleness to relocate...

 

now it s a TD, not a scout....after 2k battles in it..now i just use the binocs, sit in a bush, load gold to pen tanks (MM+2),tanks that  i pened with regular ammo before....and that s all.

i want a T5 scout? i play the T67...

 

Your fault for continuously forcing the 90mm gun which just doesn't work. 75mm all the way....ELC gave me hope for tier 5 again, i can balance T67s by circling them at close range and slapping HE rounds for 175 damage :) lovely lovely

Noo_Noo #8 Posted 25 May 2017 - 11:20 AM

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Tried the 75mm again. Na, not for me. The penetration and accuracy is just too unreliable even with premium. For me i'd like to do 200+ damage and get the hell out of there. I found that with the 75mm you do 100 then you miss or bounce and then miss / bounce again. 

 

It basically trolls me as hard as the 90mm but without the reward of when it does work.

 

Fair play to those that are able to get into positions that can keep the gun firing all the time. I'm not that good.



gekkehenkie50 #9 Posted 28 June 2017 - 11:37 AM

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The playstyle of the ELC was hit and run, always has been. Go-kart with big gun strapped on it, assassinate opponents with 240 alpha, then scoot away laughing.

Now as others have said its mobility is just awful, its gun unreliable and its HP nerf means it is a 1 shot to all 122mm cannons.



miky_shtick #10 Posted 31 July 2017 - 02:16 PM

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This LT got neutered alright. At least it is as opposed to the way it rolled before :great:.

 

It's just that in another thread I saw a worthwhile suggestion. Give it a siege mode to rotate the gun when stationary. It might turn the vehicle in a mobile TD even more. I believe it is quite accurate though as the orginal ELC with 90MM strapped onto it could traverse the gun when standing still. This rotating siege mode should have a downside as well though. It can only regain mobility when the turret and gun are pointing over the front again. And since siege mode is already a working function in the game anyway it should be fairly easy for WG to reproduce this with a different advantage.

 

When I have some time left I think I'll investigate the historical accuracy of what I just blurted out :bush:

--And it appears I'm correct-- Your thoughts GekkeHenkie?


Edited by miky_shtick, 01 August 2017 - 08:37 AM.


KaruKaataja #11 Posted 03 August 2017 - 01:05 PM

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AMX ELC Bis needs a mobility buff. It's way too slow now. I've played it just twice after a patch, ELC moe is 100% and i won't touch it until it is buffed :( I miss playing it with my 6 skill crew.

Snaques #12 Posted 06 September 2017 - 10:29 PM

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I mean, what is supposed to be the redeeming quality for ELC today?!? Alpha?

 

I'm sure an LT can not justify its existence by offering big alpha, can it?



erictharg #13 Posted 09 October 2017 - 09:20 AM

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Used to be my favourite tank. I can live with the weaker cannon, but the damp squib acceleration gives you no option but to camp and play as a weak TD or keep moving whatever the cost and stay alive as long as possible. Hardly play it these days. Sigh. And the VK2801 lost its derp gun. Good job there are still some agile mediums that allow similar play style. Until they get buffed too...

Gremlin182 #14 Posted 09 October 2017 - 11:56 AM

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Options would seem to be give it back the engine it had historically as opposed to what it has now and return its specific power to what it was.

Leave everything else the same.

Do what you should have done move the tank up a tier and leave everything as it was before the light tank update.

 

The only reason I can see for the current disaster is that you had no replacement tank to come in at tier 5 to had no option but to balance the ELC.

The Gun pen reduction would have been enough but no you had to cripple its mobility.

Then and only after the complaints started coming in did you throw in the full turret and 75mm guns.

 

Nice try but the ELC was all about its maneuverability you killed it and it stays in my garage and gets played occasionally to remind myself of what you did.

 

 

 



General_McMuschi #15 Posted 09 October 2017 - 04:27 PM

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As much as I loved the old ELC, it wouldn't be fair or balanced if it was brought back on tier 5 with the stats that it used to have. It would just have too much pen for that tier with current mm.

Putting it on tier 6 would still make it have better pen (170 standard and 250 premium if I remember correctly) than all other tier 6 light tanks. It basically had the pen of a tier 8 light.

However, one of it's charms was that it was low tier, so it could still use view range and camo and feed on noobs so to say. Putting it on tier 8 with stats that it once had would not work for it I think.

 

So, what I'd like to see happen is to maybe make it into a tier 6 premium/special tank, give it back it's old power to weight ratio but gun penetration should be lower than it was, but still higher then other t6 lights because afterall it is a hybrid between light and a TD. So maybe decend pen would be 150 standard and ~210 premium. Would it be crazy if it would receive the Bathtub's 105mm gun with 300 alpha and 165 pen? For tier six tank it would probably be too much, so maybe if it was a tier 7? But wouldn't t7-t9 matchmaking make it less fun?



gekkehenkie50 #16 Posted 15 October 2017 - 01:45 PM

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So guys, after taking a fair old brake from WoT, I decided to come back for the new graphics on the SB server. I'd like to thank all of you for the ideas in this thread, as well as the vote poll results that I hoped to see!

View PostGeneral_McMuschi, on 09 October 2017 - 04:27 PM, said:

As much as I loved the old ELC, it wouldn't be fair or balanced if it was brought back on tier 5 with the stats that it used to have. It would just have too much pen for that tier with current mm.

Putting it on tier 6 would still make it have better pen (170 standard and 250 premium if I remember correctly) than all other tier 6 light tanks. It basically had the pen of a tier 8 light.

However, one of it's charms was that it was low tier, so it could still use view range and camo and feed on noobs so to say. Putting it on tier 8 with stats that it once had would not work for it I think.

 

So, what I'd like to see happen is to maybe make it into a tier 6 premium/special tank, give it back it's old power to weight ratio but gun penetration should be lower than it was, but still higher then other t6 lights because afterall it is a hybrid between light and a TD. So maybe decend pen would be 150 standard and ~210 premium. Would it be crazy if it would receive the Bathtub's 105mm gun with 300 alpha and 165 pen? For tier six tank it would probably be too much, so maybe if it was a tier 7? But wouldn't t7-t9 matchmaking make it less fun?

Making the ELC a prem would be an idea, yet that does mean that what was previously a fun tank availible for all, would be placed behind a pay wall.

View Postmiky_shtick, on 31 July 2017 - 02:16 PM, said:

This LT got neutered alright. At least it is as opposed to the way it rolled before :great:.

 

It's just that in another thread I saw a worthwhile suggestion. Give it a siege mode to rotate the gun when stationary. It might turn the vehicle in a mobile TD even more. I believe it is quite accurate though as the orginal ELC with 90MM strapped onto it could traverse the gun when standing still. This rotating siege mode should have a downside as well though. It can only regain mobility when the turret and gun are pointing over the front again. And since siege mode is already a working function in the game anyway it should be fairly easy for WG to reproduce this with a different advantage.

 

When I have some time left I think I'll investigate the historical accuracy of what I just blurted out :bush:

--And it appears I'm correct-- Your thoughts GekkeHenkie?

Though I'd prefer to see the ELC back the way it was, a scouting assasinating go-kart with a very unique playstyle, if WG really wants to turn it into a TD, then I guess this would be a nice buff.



Gremlin182 #17 Posted 15 October 2017 - 02:32 PM

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Having played the new ELC a fair bit its only problem is the specific power.

Since it stayed at tier 5 it had to be nerfed which is fair what it did not need or deserve was an engine replacement.

Put the original engine back and the original specific power.

The full turret with 75mm gun is fine as is the lower powered 90mm in semi turret.

 

I think the thing that annoys me more than anything is the complete lack of comment from wargaming on the matter.

They did a partial backstep when the added the 75mm and full turret probably because of complaints now they should take another look.

If there is a reason for the ELC to have a smaller lower powered engine that the actual tank had I would love to hear it.

 



LCpl_Jones #18 Posted 01 November 2017 - 06:18 PM

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i don't know how it was pre-nerf but it sucks arse now

 



MkH #19 Posted 19 November 2017 - 05:54 PM

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I just got mine. Hadn't played the old one, but this new one seems pretty good. I have been playing with the 90mm gun, and it seems to work pretty nicely with the new MM. Have to fire the occasional APCR or two against heavies, but I don't see the penetration being a problem with AP either.

Thuis001 #20 Posted 11 December 2017 - 08:39 PM

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WG, please, give this thing it's old engine back. While the gun works fine for me, the fact that this thing is essentially as mobile as a medium is NOT OK. Like seriously, I feel like my M4 moves faster then this thing, unless I have been driving in a strait line for atleast 10 seconds. This just doesn't feel like a light tank, but rather as a VERY weak TD.




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