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Cobra6 #1 Posted 20 May 2017 - 11:20 AM

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Came across this gem of a player in one of my matches and when looking at his profile I noticed something which should not come as a surprise to anyone really, but it was funny in a tragic way nonetheless.

I honestly think this single screenshot illustrates quite well what the problem with the Type5 heavy (and the Maus for that matter) is.

 

The stats on the right are his T-150 stats, not the Type5 stats :teethhappy:

 

 

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Edited by Cobra6, 20 May 2017 - 11:27 AM.


brumbarr #2 Posted 20 May 2017 - 11:22 AM

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700 avg dmg, it requires effort to be so bad at the game.

2nd_coming_of_RNGesus #3 Posted 20 May 2017 - 11:24 AM

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I don't think that means anything. A lot of my tier 10's have 900 clan wars battles from a few years back. So If i bought any tier ten now  I'd have a similar win rate on it.

 

I agree the jap heavies are a joke though.



Cobra6 #4 Posted 20 May 2017 - 11:26 AM

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View Postbrumbarr, on 20 May 2017 - 10:22 AM, said:

700 avg dmg, it requires effort to be so bad at the game.

 

That is his T-150 stats though, not his Type5 heavy ones. :teethhappy:

 

But yeah, that match he blocked a casual 6000 damage.

 

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brumbarr #5 Posted 20 May 2017 - 11:28 AM

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View PostCobra6, on 20 May 2017 - 11:26 AM, said:

 

That is his T-150 stats though, not his Type5 heavy ones. :teethhappy:

 

But yeah, that match he blocked a casual 6000 damage.

 

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oh, lol, didnt pay attention , whats his avg on his type5 then?

brumbarr #6 Posted 20 May 2017 - 11:28 AM

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View PostFighto, on 20 May 2017 - 11:24 AM, said:

I don't think that means anything. A lot of my tier 10's have 900 clan wars battles from a few years back. So If i bought any tier ten now  I'd have a similar win rate on it.

 

I agree the jap heavies are a joke though.

 

euhm? what does CW battles have to do with anything?

anonym_MSqPBzxRtsaO #7 Posted 20 May 2017 - 11:29 AM

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Cobra are you frustrated or something? I've read some of your recent posts and comments and it's all about tomatoes bringing the world to ruin or some craplike that.

leggasiini #8 Posted 20 May 2017 - 11:31 AM

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>type 5 gets introduced

>is one of the worst tier 10s

>gets buffed few patch later

>is still one of the worst tier 10s

>gets buffed again

>suddendly one of the most broken tier 10s

 

How god damn hard it is?

 

h o w


Edited by leggasiini, 20 May 2017 - 11:31 AM.


Cobra6 #9 Posted 20 May 2017 - 11:36 AM

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View Postbrumbarr, on 20 May 2017 - 10:28 AM, said:

 

oh, lol, didnt pay attention , whats his avg on his type5 then?

 

2000 average damage with a 1,12 armour use efficiency.

 

View PostPanzerVor87, on 20 May 2017 - 10:29 AM, said:

Cobra are you frustrated or something? I've read some of your recent posts and comments and it's all about tomatoes bringing the world to ruin or some craplike that.

 

Not at all, I just found this very funny in a tragic way as I said.

But it's not the tomato's fault, it's WG's fault for catering to them, you are right.:teethhappy:  Like with these overbuffs to the Type5 and Maus for instance.

 

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Edited by Cobra6, 20 May 2017 - 11:38 AM.


brumbarr #10 Posted 20 May 2017 - 11:40 AM

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View PostCobra6, on 20 May 2017 - 11:36 AM, said:

 

2000 average damage with a 1,12 armour use efficiency.

 

 

So blocking around 3K dmg, much skill, much wow



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View PostCobra6, on 20 May 2017 - 11:36 AM, said:

Not at all, I just found this very funny in a tragic way as I said.

But it's not the tomato's fault, it's WG's fault for catering to them, you are right.:teethhappy:  Like with these overbuffs to the Type5 and Maus for instance.

 

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If we consider business, catering to the majority of the playerbase = average to below average players is not a stupid move, because that's what brings in the most money, and WG is a business, not a charity.

This doesn't deny balance issues, and in a way Type 5 is worse than Maus because, while Maus has a potato gun that needs gold, Type can simply spam HE with its ginormous howitzer.


Edited by PanzerVor87, 20 May 2017 - 11:47 AM.


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View PostPanzerVor87, on 20 May 2017 - 10:45 AM, said:

This doesn't deny balance issues, and in a way Type 5 is worse than Maus because, while Maus has a potato gun that needs gold, Type can simply spam HE with its ginormous howitzer.

 

But even the Maus is an issue because it doesn't matter how bad the gun is in reality because if people can't damage/kill you you'll have all the time in the world to work even with a crappy gun.

 

It's just terrible design to have tanks without viable weakspots that can be shot and damaged with regular AP(CR).

The cupola on the Type5 heavy is still ~250 armour and so is the weakest part of the turret/LFP of the Maus. That is by default almost more armour than T10 guns have penetration with regular ammo which is just ret@rded.

 

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Edited by Cobra6, 20 May 2017 - 11:59 AM.


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View Postbrumbarr, on 20 May 2017 - 10:28 AM, said:

 

euhm? what does CW battles have to do with anything?

 

euhm????£*&£&

 

You surely knew that clan wars battles were counted as randoms for years up until the middle of 2015 if I recall, didn't you??


Edited by Fighto, 20 May 2017 - 12:32 PM.


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View PostCobra6, on 20 May 2017 - 11:58 AM, said:

But even the Maus is an issue because it doesn't matter how bad the gun is in reality because if people can't damage/kill you you'll have all the time in the world to work even with a crappy gun.

 

It's just terrible design to have tanks without viable weakspots that can be shot and damaged with regular AP(CR).

The cupola on the Type5 heavy is still ~250 armour and so is the weakest part of the turret/LFP of the Maus. That is by default almost more armour than T10 guns have penetration with regular ammo which is just ret@rded.

 

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This leads back to the other issue - gold ammo. Tier 10 tanks and even some tier 9s have enough gold pen to crack a Maus upper plate or a Type 5 from the front, meaning all that armor is gone just by pressing the 2 key twice.

In trying to solve an issue, WG created another - tanks with armor too strong for regular ammo, but still not enough to counter gold. Meaning a straining of the in-game finances and more grinding just to pay the bills.

Edited by PanzerVor87, 20 May 2017 - 12:13 PM.


OdysseusKrieg #15 Posted 20 May 2017 - 12:23 PM

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another whining thread 'bout those ''op Japanese hevies'' :popcorn:



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That's a lot of tier 10 tanks -

how many battles does that player have?



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View PostFighto, on 20 May 2017 - 10:58 AM, said:

 

euhm????£*&£&

 

You surely knew that clan wars battles were counted as randoms for years up until the middle of 2015 if I recall, didn't you??

 

Hm but Type5 came out after that, so no reason why CW should have anything to do with his stats in it.

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Cobra6 #18 Posted 20 May 2017 - 12:42 PM

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View PostPanzerVor87, on 20 May 2017 - 11:11 AM, said:

 

This leads back to the other issue - gold ammo. Tier 10 tanks and even some tier 9s have enough gold pen to crack a Maus upper plate or a Type 5 from the front, meaning all that armor is gone just by pressing the 2 key twice.

In trying to solve an issue, WG created another - tanks with armor too strong for regular ammo, but still not enough to counter gold. Meaning a straining of the in-game finances and more grinding just to pay the bills.

 

Yeah indeed. Frontal armour of heavies should have weakspots for for guns of the same tier but the issue is that you can't properly balance armour unless you get rid of premium ammo completely.

You can either make it too strong like now where you need premium ammo to pen or too weak so you can pen it with regular ammo and always with premium ammo.

 

View PostPansenmann, on 20 May 2017 - 11:25 AM, said:

That's a lot of tier 10 tanks -

how many battles does that player have?

 40K pretty much

 

View PostOdysseusKrieg, on 20 May 2017 - 11:23 AM, said:

another whining thread 'bout those ''op Japanese hevies'' :popcorn:

 

No one said anything about OP, just broken which is something different.

 

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Edited by Cobra6, 20 May 2017 - 12:44 PM.


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View PostFighto, on 20 May 2017 - 11:58 AM, said:

 

euhm????£*&£&

 

You surely knew that clan wars battles were counted as randoms for years up until the middle of 2015 if I recall, didn't you??

Yes, and you surely know that the type5 is a fairly recent addition to the game?



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"CobraSix found an average Joe and decided to open an "3edgy5me" topic." 6/8

 

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