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Saif #1 Posted 03 June 2017 - 08:09 PM

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M46 Patton KR should get buff it looks the same like T25 Pilot but got worst stats

M46 Patton KR cost real money ,and T25 Pilot was just  a reward tank ,this doesnt look so fair play

http://tanks.gg/tank...?cs=t25-pilot-1

 



JuliusCheddar #2 Posted 03 June 2017 - 08:14 PM

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Following your thinking KR should not get buffed because it could be obtained during Christmas lottery. 

Also, type 59,is6 and t34-3 require much more attention. 



gpalsson #3 Posted 03 June 2017 - 08:17 PM

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It would be nice if wasn't just obsolete like many other premiums after the ladt year of power creep. But dont hold your breath.

8126Jakobsson #4 Posted 03 June 2017 - 08:41 PM

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Nah it's fine. It's toight like a toiger. 

antoine130 #5 Posted 03 June 2017 - 09:09 PM

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Screw both Pilot and KR...annoying tanks that always make sure to pop up nearby you when you're in the heat of the battle against HTs and they poke out the ridge with their bullsh*t mantlets

Noo_Noo #6 Posted 03 June 2017 - 09:14 PM

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Had one and traded it in. Got fed up of being outperformed by Pilots. 

Gun handling wasn't very good for a tank that's speciality is ridge lines. Poor aim time and accuracy combined with b**** RNG

EggyTheGumGumChewer #7 Posted 03 June 2017 - 09:39 PM

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The american prem meds should really get some sort of "rebalance" to make them more unique:

Pershing = Stronger turret armor, highest view range, mediocre mobility, decent gun handling


Patton KR = Strong gun mantlet, average mobility, great gun handling


T25 Pilot = Poor armor, great mobility, great gun handling

 

...or something like that.


Edited by EggyTheGumGumChewer, 03 June 2017 - 09:41 PM.


Aikl #8 Posted 03 June 2017 - 09:53 PM

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T25 is more mobile in a straight line, KR is better at climbing. Both has the same mantlet. T25 has 80-something more DPM and aims faster. KR has an edge in dispersion on turret rotation, and carries 70 instead of 50 ammo - i.e. you can afford to shoot way more without resorting to your obviously heavy APCR backup.

 

Bottom line: Both are rather lame, though perfectly fine in T8 medium territory. Comfortable to play, though.

 

PS: T8 is just cannon fodder for T9/10 anyway. 



KillingJoker #9 Posted 03 June 2017 - 11:08 PM

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I buyed the Patton M46 KR over the Lorraine 40t, i had the option to buy the lorraine or the patton... i got the first...

 

you know why? i am not lamme...



Mr_Burrows #10 Posted 04 June 2017 - 06:24 AM

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I would love it getting buffed, but I must admit that I still think it is a rather comfortable tank to play. I must add that I always shoot prem ammo. Just because standard pen sux at tier 9 and 10... 

Never played the Pilot, but my KR has more than 1300 battles on it and still does fine. Ofc it has been power creeped, but what has not? It is a tank that really rewards the driver if he knows his stuff. I like it. A lot. 



Poerhis #11 Posted 04 June 2017 - 08:53 AM

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The M46 KR suffers from being a pretty standard 90mm armed medium at tier 8. Pretty much every tank of that kind is "meh" at best and doesn't fit in the current meta.

 

I would give the KR and T25 better shell velocity by swapping out to APCR like the Patriot has. I wouldn't even buff the penetration, just shell velocity.  This would make the tanks ridiculously more comfortable to play.



KillingJoker #12 Posted 04 June 2017 - 09:32 AM

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I understand why people find this tank hard to be competitive... its only good in ridge lines or hull down, other than that... its mediocre/average at most

 

the gun handling is good, but the gun accuracy is horrible, the shell velocity is very low and makes it non-playable at long distances, it have a very low dpm...

and when you need 6,5 seconds with bia and rations to output 240 alpha its a very hard trade for a tier 8, the low DPM makes it very vulnerable to any solo engagements...

 

but for me the Patton M46 KR is still ok as a premium, its what a premium should be, inferior to other techtree counter parts, its a "skill tank" that should reward skilled players with more money from its premium status... 

 

currently the problem of the game is not this type of premium, its the new premiums, everyone is asking for buffs in the tier 8 techtree, because the new power creep premiums force people to spamm gold shells, 

 

I must say, when i got the Patton i tought it had preferential mm...that would only see tier 9s, because of the gun penetration, and in tier 7 and 8 games its OK...

but the current mm, makes it face much more often tier 9 and 10s than the oposite, and that makes this tank obsolete when your forced to counter tier 9 or 10 mediums... that have pretty much the double of your DPM and are actually well armored 

 

Its definitly not a noob pay to win tank, but i still dont regret of having got the Patton over the Lorraine, the lorraine would give me the same boring feeling i am having with the BC 25t AP

removing health from a guy while he reloads, makes me feel like cheating.... 


Edited by KillingJoker, 04 June 2017 - 09:33 AM.


Yakito #13 Posted 05 June 2017 - 12:53 AM

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The only buff it could use is penetration. With the stupid armour of defenders, Chrysler's etc it is a big problem. Other than that, great tank.

TankkiPoju #14 Posted 05 June 2017 - 06:29 AM

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There is a great solution if you want a competitive tier 8 US medium tank.

 

Get a Patriot.

 

It wont train medium crews though.



Saif #15 Posted 05 June 2017 - 07:17 AM

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View PostTankkiPoju, on 05 June 2017 - 05:29 AM, said:

There is a great solution if you want a competitive tier 8 US medium tank.

 

Get a Patriot.

 

It wont train medium crews though.

 

Or Defender, Chrysler we now we now ,pay to win tanks ,but i dont want support WG with pay to win , i want buff for my very avarage premium M46 KR

tajj7 #16 Posted 05 June 2017 - 08:35 AM

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Patton KR is basically a premium Pershing so not sure it needs any buffs considering there are much worse tier 8 meds out there.

 

Maybe a DPM buff, but then most tier 8 meds could do with a DPM buff. 



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View Posttajj7, on 05 June 2017 - 07:35 AM, said:

Patton KR is basically a premium Pershing so not sure it needs any buffs considering there are much worse tier 8 meds out there.

 

Maybe a DPM buff, but then most tier 8 meds could do with a DPM buff.

 

Which is weird when I do fairly well and like the pershing and dislike and am less able in the KR.

TankkiPoju #18 Posted 05 June 2017 - 08:53 AM

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View Posttajj7, on 05 June 2017 - 08:35 AM, said:

Patton KR is basically a premium Pershing so not sure it needs any buffs considering there are much worse tier 8 meds out there.

 

Maybe a DPM buff, but then most tier 8 meds could do with a DPM buff. 

 

+1, it's really weird looking at DPMs on various tiers. Why do tier 9-10 meds have SOOOO much better DPM that heavies, but on tier 8 meds have pretty much the same or even worse.

tajj7 #19 Posted 05 June 2017 - 09:09 AM

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View PostTankkiPoju, on 05 June 2017 - 07:53 AM, said:

 

+1, it's really weird looking at DPMs on various tiers. Why do tier 9-10 meds have SOOOO much better DPM that heavies, but on tier 8 meds have pretty much the same or even worse.

 

Yep it's kind of stupid - 

 

Easy8, Cromwell, T-34-75 etc. -  1.9 - 2.1k DPM.

Comet, Panther, T-43 etc. 2.1k - 2.2k DPM.

Pershing, Panther 2, Sta-1, Cent 1 - 1.8k -1.9k DPM.

M46 Patton, T-54, E50 etc. - 2.4k - 2.7k DPM. 

M48 Patton, Cent AX, Leopard 1 etc. - 2.8 - 3k DPM. 

 

There are a few out liers on every tier, like t20 has really low DPM on tier 7, E50M has low DPM for a tier 10 med, Obj. 416 has 2.5k DPM on tier 8 etc.

 

But overall the tier 8 meds have 1.8k - 2k DPM pretty much for all the single shot 90-100mm guns with 230-250 alpha. 

 

Seems pretty obvious to me that these tanks should be more in the 2.2k - 2.5k DPM range, maybe even higher considering the tier 9s have 320 or 390 alpha over their 240.

 

Would a M46 KR with a 6.6s base reload (2160 DPM) suddenly be OP? I don't think so. 

 

 



kripton69 #20 Posted 05 June 2017 - 09:49 AM

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It's still one of the best mediums of the tier. I fail to understand how can people call the Pilot a better tank. It's not. Although the terrain resistances of the KR are much worse people give them way too much credit and in most situations the Patton KR is more mobile than the Pilot. People seem to believe that terrain resistances are absolute multiplier values and as result use a common, incorrect formula to calculate "the effective mobility" which leads them to believe that the Pilot is much faster and more agile. This formula is wrong though and terrain resistances are very overrated. The only thing that's really better for the Pilot is the top speed.

 

The DPM difference of 70 doesn't matter at all. These are 240 alpha mediums that are always going to be in an ugly spot. Whether you reload in 6.4 or 6.6 seconds doesn't matter, the same "you have to stay exposed to deal any significant damage and the enemy always has the time to react between your shots" rule applies which is mostly why the tier 8 mediums suck so much. It's just ridiculously easy to play against them because even players with bad reactions are usually fast enough to react in 6+ seconds and getting out one shot of 240 alpha just doesn't achieve anything.

 

0.01 accuracy and 0.5sec aiming time make the Pilot seem like the better tank for a lot of people but they forget that Pattons are all about snap shots, even more so with 240 alpha. Having to stop at all to shoot is bad for any 240 alpha med. Most people don't realize that stats have "high" and "low" ends and they think the on-the-move and on-traverse stats are the same. If you go to tanks.gg and compare KR to Pilot you see that despite both having 0.12 on these stats, the coloring is either "green" or "red" in favor of Patton depending on which way you compare. The turret traverse bloom which is by far the most important is also 0.02 better for the KR. These may seem like small differences to people who don't understand how these stats work but they really make a world of difference.

 

I think people focus too much on staring at the hard stats and forget what these tanks are supposed to do, which is finding a ridge and taking quick shots while trying to deny the enemy any good shots. This is what the KR is still better at. There are times when you have the time to aim your shots and in those situations the Pilot is the better option but imo specialize for the snap shots or just play the Patriot if you want to stop to aim. I think trying to achieve something between the two just doesn't work with a tier 8 medium that's lacking in power level. 


A completely different matter is whether the Patton KR is worth it or not. It's not anymore. Being one of the best tanks in the category of some of the worst tanks of the tier(tier 8 mediums) isn't much to cheer for. The only tier 8 medium currently worth any money is the Lorraine 40t, all others are trash.







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