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Saif #21 Posted 05 June 2017 - 10:59 AM

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Ofc T25 Pilot is better tank

 

Winrate premium tanks tier 8: https://goo.gl/NQCGGu

 

 

 

 

 

 



kripton69 #22 Posted 05 June 2017 - 11:27 AM

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View PostSaif, on 05 June 2017 - 11:59 AM, said:

Ofc T25 Pilot is better tank

 

Winrate premium tanks tier 8: https://goo.gl/NQCGGu

 

 

 

 

I don't know what's with the fetish of so many people copying VBAddict global win rate nowadays. It's been proven to be a useless stat countless times yet suddenly everyone seems to be copying it in the forum now.

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Saif #23 Posted 05 June 2017 - 11:52 AM

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View Postkripton69, on 05 June 2017 - 10:27 AM, said:

 

I don't know what's with the fetish of so many people copying VBAddict global win rate nowadays. It's been proven to be a useless stat countless times yet suddenly everyone seems to be copying it in the forum now.

 

Fetish is having 46% winrate ,if you dont undestand statictics dont write stupid posts. Every company on world is using some king of statistics to improve!

KKtwenty #24 Posted 05 June 2017 - 11:54 AM

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My matilda BP could do with a terrain resistance buff whilst you are at it.  Maybe a few more horses under the bonnet too.

kripton69 #25 Posted 05 June 2017 - 12:02 PM

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View PostSaif, on 05 June 2017 - 12:52 PM, said:

 

Fetish is having 46% winrate ,if you dont undestand statictics dont write stupid posts. Every company on world is using some king of statistics to improve!

 

If you had a very basic understanding of how to read you'd know what's up with my win rate and that I'm actually a much better player than you. Then again that's probably too much to expect from someone who reads VBAddict as if it was the Bible.

 

VBAddict global stats are a noob trap. The data VBAddict gathers is very biased because it only counts players who have their program installed, and in many cases the sample sizes are insufficient on top of being biased. Do you really believe Pilot is almost 2% better than IS-3? Do you think T28 is better than Chrysler, Skorpion and Patriot? Is T-44-100 better than AMX M4 49? 

 

Using statistics is an awesome thing, everyone should do that. What I'm saying is that they should also use their brain instead of brainlessly staring at the first number they can conjure up, no matter how unreliable.



Saif #26 Posted 05 June 2017 - 12:22 PM

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View Postkripton69, on 05 June 2017 - 11:02 AM, said:

VBAddict global stats are a noob trap. The data VBAddict gathers is very biased because it only counts players who have their program installed, and in many cases the sample sizes are insufficient on top of being biased. Do you really believe Pilot is almost 2% better than IS-3? Do you think T28 is better than Chrysler, Skorpion and Patriot? Is T-44-100 better than AMX M4 49?

 

What are you talking about??? Remove the tinfoilhat... Vbaddcit doesnt show what tanks is better ,its show how people play those tanks , it have nothing to do with fact what tanks is better ,anyway you comaring premium with non-premium tanks very wrong ,the only 2 tanks you need to compare is Pilot and M46 because they got simular stats ,yet  M46 is worst for gameplay

Saif #27 Posted 06 June 2017 - 06:58 AM

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View PostIllort, on 04 June 2017 - 07:53 AM, said:

The M46 KR suffers from being a pretty standard 90mm armed medium at tier 8. Pretty much every tank of that kind is "meh" at best and doesn't fit in the current meta.

 

I would give the KR and T25 better shell velocity by swapping out to APCR like the Patriot has. I wouldn't even buff the penetration, just shell velocity.  This would make the tanks ridiculously more comfortable to play.

 

shell velocity, aiming time , - gun depression anything

kripton69 #28 Posted 06 June 2017 - 09:58 AM

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View PostSaif, on 05 June 2017 - 01:22 PM, said:

 

What are you talking about??? Remove the tinfoilhat... Vbaddcit doesnt show what tanks is better ,its show how people play those tanks , it have nothing to do with fact what tanks is better ,anyway you comaring premium with non-premium tanks very wrong ,the only 2 tanks you need to compare is Pilot and M46 because they got simular stats ,yet  M46 is worst for gameplay

 

That's exactly the flaw of finding the first half-arsed statistic and taking it at face value. I listed both premiums and non-premiums intentionally. But sure, let's compare non-premiums to non-premiums just so we only have tanks everyone has access to. If you wanna compare them to each other ask any player which tank is better, IS-3 or T28. If you were asked to list the best non-premium tier 8 tanks would you list VK 100, WZ-132 and T28 as your first picks? VK 100 would certainly be there but I'm positive that both WZ-132 and T28 would be found on the latter half of the list. Would you really list SU-14-2 over Object 416(one of the very few competitive mediums of the tier), RHM Borsig and AMX 50 100? All of these tanks rank higher than IS-3, and so do tanks like STA-1 and Panther II. Now I know I have been trying to convince everyone that IS-3 is not super special anymore but out of 85 tier 8 tanks would you really place it 52th? I didn't think so either.

 

Stats should always be part of every conclusion we make but only if they are worthy statistics. The flaw with VBAddict is that the only stat that has real value is the vehicle profitability and even that statistics is shaky and should only be used as partial data. The global win rate of VBAddict is a borderline worthless stat yet it seems to be increasingly common in this forum to copy it as a fact which just brainwashes more and more people into being stupid.


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Aikl #29 Posted 06 June 2017 - 10:17 AM

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"Tanks curves", i.e. 'player average winrate plotted against tank winrate' tends to give a better picture of how balanced a tank is. I believe those are global statistics - though the method eliminates most of the bias of VBaddict anyway (except very small sample size problems). "Balanced" in this regard means a player does not win more battles than his average, which makes sense for most tanks.

 

KR and Pilot are both more or less balanced in that statistic, though the KR appears to have an edge. That's not entirely surprising, the Pilot was likely grinded by a lot of players that don't necessarily care for the playstyle, while the KR was on limited sale in the prem shop (and you could win in during the Christmas event). Performing ~1-2% better than their "regular" counterparts is apparently quite common for premium tanks, which can easily be explained by starting as elite and being played inherently more than tech-tree grinding tanks.

 

Oh, and a makeshift quarter-mile suggests that the KR is faster on short to medium stretches.

 

KR is among the top of T8 medium tanks, but everything below the Lorraine and M4A1 is kind of 'play4fun territory'. 'crap-tier' if you prefer that term.


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8126Jakobsson #30 Posted 06 June 2017 - 10:41 AM

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View PostSaif, on 05 June 2017 - 11:52 AM, said:

 

Fetish is having 46% winrate ,if you dont undestand statictics dont write stupid posts. Every company on world is using some king of statistics to improve!

 

Why did you round 46,8 down and not up? I think that's unfair of you and, quite frankly, bad math.    

CenturionA1 #31 Posted 06 June 2017 - 10:43 AM

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...I had a game in the pershing earlier where I was cruising alongside a mini E5, I almost rage quit before even seeing one of the tier 10 tanks on the enemy team. 

Aikl #32 Posted 06 June 2017 - 10:50 AM

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View Post8126Jakobsson, on 06 June 2017 - 09:41 AM, said:

 

Why did you round 46,8 down and not up? I think that's unfair of you and, quite frankly, bad math.    

 

He has yet to pick up why that account's winrate might be irrelevant.

 

I could also crack a joke about consistent results in-game vs consistent math.







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