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signal11th #1 Posted 04 June 2017 - 05:51 PM

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I've done a quick stat check on tier 10 since patch and I would like to know why when I play tier 8 or 9 I get the average (for me anyway) of around 30% tier 10 games (which I don't mind and is normal as I said for me) but not when I play tier 10 and after 250 games I'm getting 53 actually closer to 54% of my games are full tier 10 games only? Is this some subtle WG way of making everyone pretty much think well I may as well play CW because I'm playing full tier 10 games anyway?

 

So far I prefer the MM but I'm finding tier 10 games are a bit boring now. Oh and yes before the usual's appear it's because I like to stomp tier 8's and 9's in my fully gold load out pubbie stompmobiles etc etc and no it's nothing to do with it being boring as f$%k.

 

I used to pretty much play only tier 10 games but no I'm finding 8 and 9 more interesting..


Edited by signal11th, 04 June 2017 - 05:53 PM.


signal11th #2 Posted 04 June 2017 - 05:57 PM

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View PostOraoZoveKondora, on 04 June 2017 - 04:56 PM, said:

play arty and you wont mind

 

Nah thanks I got an sexually transmitted disease once before don't fancy getting one again.

Enforcer1975 #3 Posted 04 June 2017 - 06:00 PM

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Playing tier 9 also gives me like 99% tier 10 matches...

Dundato #4 Posted 04 June 2017 - 06:00 PM

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Sounds normal to me. Just fire loads of gold and u might pen them and leaving yourself skint

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View PostEnforcer1975, on 04 June 2017 - 05:00 PM, said:

Playing tier 9 also gives me like 99% tier 10 matches...

 

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View Postsignal11th, on 04 June 2017 - 04:51 PM, said:

I've done a quick stat check on tier 10 since patch and I would like to know why when I play tier 8 or 9 I get the average (for me anyway) of around 30% tier 10 games (which I don't mind and is normal as I said for me) but not when I play tier 10 and after 250 games I'm getting 53 actually closer to 54% of my games are full tier 10 games only? Is this some subtle WG way of making everyone pretty much think well I may as well play CW because I'm playing full tier 10 games anyway?

 

So far I prefer the MM but I'm finding tier 10 games are a bit boring now. Oh and yes before the usual's appear it's because I like to stomp tier 8's and 9's in my fully gold load out pubbie stompmobiles etc etc and no it's nothing to do with it being boring as f$%k.

 

I used to pretty much play only tier 10 games but no I'm finding 8 and 9 more interesting..

 

I completely lost interest in tier 10 games after 9.18. Most of the maps are just too small for that IMO. And tier 8 you get mostly tier 10 games anyway. For me tier 9 is where the fun is at the moment.


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lord_chipmonk #7 Posted 04 June 2017 - 06:10 PM

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View Postsignal11th, on 04 June 2017 - 05:57 PM, said:

 

Nah thanks I got an sexually transmitted disease once before don't fancy getting one again.

 

You and I play arty very differently! ;)

brumbarr #8 Posted 04 June 2017 - 06:17 PM

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So tier8s get tier10 all the time, and tier10s get a lot of tier10 matches, makes no sense at all tbh

lord_chipmonk #9 Posted 04 June 2017 - 06:27 PM

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View Postbrumbarr, on 04 June 2017 - 06:17 PM, said:

So tier8s get tier10 all the time, and tier10s get a lot of tier10 matches, makes no sense at all tbh

 

Hey, it's the forum, what do you expect?

Cannes76 #10 Posted 04 June 2017 - 06:34 PM

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View Postbrumbarr, on 04 June 2017 - 06:17 PM, said:

So tier8s get tier10 all the time, and tier10s get a lot of tier10 matches, makes no sense at all tbh

 

Yeah it does actually, consider the ratio of different tiers in the 3-5-7 system and apply a bit of maths.

brumbarr #11 Posted 04 June 2017 - 07:00 PM

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View PostCannes76, on 04 June 2017 - 06:34 PM, said:

 

Yeah it does actually, consider the ratio of different tiers in the 3-5-7 system and apply a bit of maths.

It doesnt, since that would mean therewhere a lot or equal ammount of tier10s in que as tier8s. And before the patch we had no full tier10 battles and less tier10 battles when playign tier8, and the battles that with tier8swerent full of tier10s either.

Something doesnt add up



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View Postbrumbarr, on 04 June 2017 - 05:17 PM, said:

So tier8s get tier10 all the time, and tier10s get a lot of tier10 matches, makes no sense at all tbh

 

It does make sense. The issue arises from the fact that T10s do not actually fit the 3-5-7 model because, as a result of their being no tiers above it, they can only ever be the 3, not the 5 or the 7. And so, in order to make a 3-5-7 match with T10 tanks, which the matchmaker prefers right now and biases heavily towards, it must grab 7 Tier 8s, it literally doesn't have a choice and only if it *can't* do that will it try a 5-10 or all T10 matchup. This is an inherent weakness of the system they are using and it's gotten worse because they have tightened the tolerances further in 9.19, prioritising 3-5-7 even more over 5-10 or Single Tier

 

The only real hope is that they have done this in anticipation of a lot of Tier10s moving on to Ranked mode reducing pressure on the matchmaker to make T10 games in the first place.



signal11th #13 Posted 04 June 2017 - 07:20 PM

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Take the last 20 games I had played for testing, 10 tier 10 games 8 were full tier 10 tanks 2 were tier 10/9, I've played 10 tier 9 games, 7 were tier 10 and 3 were tier 9. most of the tier 10 games were 15-2 rolfstomps either me winning or the other team and not really very interesting because there were over too quick.

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View Postbrumbarr, on 04 June 2017 - 07:00 PM, said:

It doesnt, since that would mean therewhere a lot or equal ammount of tier10s in que as tier8s. And before the patch we had no full tier10 battles and less tier10 battles when playign tier8, and the battles that with tier8swerent full of tier10s either.

Something doesnt add up

 

They should remove tier 10 from the 3-5-7 system and only give them 5-10-0 and 15-0-0 games since they have the best MM you can possibly get anyway ( like +0 -2 which is 100x better than what PMM tanks are facing right now ) Tier 9 is effed anyway since it doesn't see a lot of 3 tier games as top tier anyway at least from my experience.

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brumbarr #15 Posted 04 June 2017 - 11:57 PM

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Just played some tier8 battles for an hour , didnt meet a single tier10. No clue what you guys are on about.

signal11th #16 Posted 05 June 2017 - 08:35 AM

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View Postbrumbarr, on 04 June 2017 - 10:57 PM, said:

Just played some tier8 battles for an hour , didnt meet a single tier10. No clue what you guys are on about.

 

Oh I agree I know "someone" is getting these normal MM matchups because on the increasingly rare occasions I get a normal match (spread of tiers) so I know they do exist, then again I know (or reliably informed by multiple scientific papers and book and documentaries) atoms exist but I've not actually seen one of them yet either.

ZlatanArKung #17 Posted 05 June 2017 - 08:46 AM

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View Postbrumbarr, on 04 June 2017 - 11:57 PM, said:

Just played some tier8 battles for an hour , didnt meet a single tier10. No clue what you guys are on about.

Being top tiered is very very rare nowadays.

 

I have played T8 games and only let T9 or T8 tanks for 10-15 games straight. Which isn't to bad. No T10 after all.



Jigabachi #18 Posted 05 June 2017 - 08:50 AM

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Actually, that's how it should be. Since tier ten is the end of the techtree, they should see way more tier ten only matches.

And most of those should have at least two arties per side, so that other players don't get them as toptiers that often... :hiding:

Edited by Jigabachi, 05 June 2017 - 08:50 AM.


Zoltan1251 #19 Posted 05 June 2017 - 08:53 AM

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yeah, Tier 10 only matchups are frequent... but its due to everyone wanting to be top tier, so no one is.... thats fair to me.... i found out that its actually easier to play Tier X only as they are usually played by tomatoes and i just laugh as i stomp everyone in my TVP.... and once you get to be top tier you feel like god.... this MM is miles better than the old one, its fair and fun.....  the most interesting tier is still tier 8 to me




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