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9.19 MM is anti platoons

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T3ddyBear #1 Posted 07 June 2017 - 11:10 PM

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OK, so it's been a week since the new favoured 3,5,7 MM was introduced and I have to say my personal experience with it is has been awful. I will caveat that I play with friends so in platoons of either 2 or 3, oh dear is the new MM anti-platoon.

 

WG like to fallback on their stats when people feel hard done by, so I thought I would use some of my own.

 

I have played 52 random battle games this past week, out of the those random battles the following applies;

 

For the 3,5,7 MM;

 

24 bottom tier, 3 mid tier, ZERO top tier.

 

For the 2 tier games;

 

14 bottom tier, 2 top tier.

 

To top it off, 9 all same tier games.

 

This new MM is not friendly to those who like to platoon, it actively punishes you now for being in a platoon. In 52 games I had less than 10% of games that had tanks of lower tier than the platoon but we played in 90%+ games against higher tier tanks.

 

WG is the fair, is this what you intended?

 

I have all the replays, if the doubting Thomas' would like them then they are welcome to check, the new MM is a joke, but I'm pretty sure no amount of feedback from players will change the devs course.

 

If it carries on like this, which I don't see how it can change given the 3,5,7 MM then I either have to lump it or go and find a game to spend my hard earned on that does promote team play.

 

TB.

 



Spurtung #2 Posted 08 June 2017 - 01:36 AM

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1 week? LOL

Balc0ra #3 Posted 08 June 2017 - 01:38 AM

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Well... oddly enough... we see more same tier games when we platoon. I see more bottom tiers when I am solo vs toons "EU2".

_EXODUZ_ #4 Posted 08 June 2017 - 02:18 AM

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I like it more than before. I mostly played tier 8's past week. Even if it's a tier 10 battle it only has three tanks as top tiers.



thestaggy #5 Posted 08 June 2017 - 06:06 AM

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New MM is diabeetus for tier 8s.

 

Played 8 battles in my T-44 last night. Only time I was top tier was in the 2 battles where we were all tier 8s. The other 6 were 4 tier 10 battles and 2 tier 9 battles.

 

There is a massive gap between tier 8s and 9s as well, so please don't anybody come and tell me ''bUT YoU onLY SeE 3 tIeR 10s''. Tier 9 heavies are pretty much frontally impenetrable for a tank with 183 pen (inb4 flank them on corridor maps) and the meds and lights at tier 9 will out DPM you. 



HugsAndKisses #6 Posted 08 June 2017 - 06:36 AM

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Overall, the latest patch has been pretty good. 

Coward mode has been made a little less insufferable, although still the go-to class for risk averse carebear types.

Light tanks have been made great again.

 

But since there must be a kind of balance between joy and frustration in this gigantic social experiment, WG had to make life harder for someone. 

They decided to measure twice, cut once and screw over the most interesting (imo, of course) tier in the game: Tier 8.

A stroke of genius which the World will one day recognize for what it is, because it simultaneously balances the newly released, very strong tier 8 premiums by making them tier 9/10 food.



Enforcer1975 #7 Posted 08 June 2017 - 07:16 AM

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Yep MM is screwed up since 3-5-7, nothing new tbh. I get to see -2 tier games every other 50 games if i'm lucky. Tooning? Prepare for the "WG fochs you in the face MM".

Excavatus #8 Posted 08 June 2017 - 12:14 PM

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STOP PLAYIN TIER 8..

 

that is the only solution for you now..

Tier 6 and 7 are now looks like the sweet spot... nowadays at least!



Aikl #9 Posted 08 June 2017 - 12:25 PM

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3-5-7 would be a splendid idea if the tier distribution wasn't skewed by the T8 premium tanks. 

 

Anyone with half a brain, if that, could figure out that T8 will be lumped into bottom-tier because it gets rid of the most T8s in the queue. It takes far less to figure out that, naturally, the chance of being top-tier (if tier distribution was equal) is 3/15=20%... as opposed to 'traditional' MM's ~33%.

 

Adding to the problem is that 3-5-7 apparently is the priority pattern - i.e. if there are any T10 tanks in the queue, the matchmaker will "have to" make a T10 game with 3-5-7 setup. :facepalm:


Edited by Aikl, 08 June 2017 - 12:26 PM.


Shivva #10 Posted 08 June 2017 - 12:29 PM

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Have posted about this in a couple of other threads which this probably belongs in tbh but anyway since 9.19 playing platoons of any tier is gonna leave you bottom tier or very occasionaly mid tier in the 3/5/7 setup. Only way I've seen a top tier game in platoon since patch was when mm was single tier or +/-1 battles.

 

This is every tier though not just tier 8, platoons just seem to be shafted every time you press the battle button.


Edited by Shivva, 08 June 2017 - 12:30 PM.


Cobra6 #11 Posted 08 June 2017 - 12:42 PM

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Yeah it's not balanced at all if you play platoons which is a shame, another "gameplay change" that saps the fun out of playing this game. Guess WG is keeping up tradition.

 

Like not allowing T9 light tanks to platoon with T10 mediums or T8 light tanks with T9 mediums. No reason not to have it.

 

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NiemandXL #12 Posted 08 June 2017 - 12:48 PM

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The new MM is really bad for tier 8. Even solo I see higher tier tanks in around 80% of my battles when playing tier 8's and almost never lower tier tanks. The best I can hope for are all tier 8 battles. That's not how it's supposed to work. Why do I have to fight higher tier tanks most of the time even thought I'm almost never get to see lower tiers anymore? Where is the trade-off in that? And playing in a platoon makes the MM even worse?

 

Holy crap WG how long do you believe that people will continue buying your tier 8 premiums once they realize that tier 10 games is pretty much all those tanks see these days?

Shivva #13 Posted 08 June 2017 - 12:53 PM

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I reckon we all know tier 8 mm is bonkers but I think the main point of the thread is about platoon mm, might be best if we keep to the platoon side of things in here to try and escape it being locked for being "another tier 8 mm thread".

T3ddyBear #14 Posted 08 June 2017 - 01:29 PM

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Yes, tier 8 was played, but also, tier 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10.

 

Out of 52 games, 13 (25%) were tier8 tanks for the platoon, this isn't about tier8 MM, this is about the new MM and its effect on platoons, it is not a positive change, it is a change for the worse if you like top play with friends in platoons. The MM is actively punishing you. I don't think this is intended, it is just a side effect of only having 3 top tier tanks in the majority of battles now, simple.

 

I'm guessing that this side effect like so many was either not envisioned by the devs or they knew it would happen and don't care, either way is bad.

 

TB.

 

 


Edited by T3ddyBear, 08 June 2017 - 01:30 PM.


Bora_BOOM #15 Posted 08 June 2017 - 01:31 PM

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I also have the same experience that 3 platoons are getting bottom-mid far more than getting top tier.

And in my experience that applies to tiers 5-6-7 which are the most usual when we toon.

I should probably try to dig out stats from vbaddict were I upload the game stats, but I am lazy to do it (and dunno can I pull that numbers out automatically or not). And if I try to explain bad platoon MM with possible personal skewed bias/impression - IMO its happening to often for being attributed as such.



JuliusCheddar #16 Posted 08 June 2017 - 01:38 PM

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They have to do something about it. They broke the most entertaining aspect of this game. 

Vynczy #17 Posted 08 June 2017 - 02:28 PM

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Totally agreed.

 

Most of the time I play in a platoon with my gf, and a friend of mine. Usually we keep playing tier 8. Most of the time its a 3 tier battle, with us being on the bottom 100% (!) of times. So there is X, IX, VIII, but there is no VI, VII, VIII AT ALL. Rarely we get 2 tier battles, and its even more rare that we are on top. Its just disgusting.

I don't really feel like playing alone, but playing in platoons is just not rewarding now. So ots either fun alone, or being mad together.

 

If u wanna increase your stats (MOE, etc.) play alone.



dennez #18 Posted 08 June 2017 - 03:12 PM

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Tier 8 is just garbage now. For fun you can play tier 7/9 and maybe 10, but whenever you need to grind credits to fund the er.. goldspam you need to go back to tier 8 prems and get fked in the backside again and again. Tier 8 is always bottom tier fodder, no exceptions. I cannot recall the last time i was top tier in 8. So GG WG, WP. Its just impossible for them to do 1 thing without [edited]up another.

 



swearm #19 Posted 08 June 2017 - 06:31 PM

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Yes, new MM sucks big time.

 

Playing in a platoon wioth friends is the way to play as I see it.

Having fun together.

 

1. Cant play with my friends if they try to use their tier 9. I only have tier 8. Was able before, now not possible. Bad.

2. Cant play in platoon with SPG. Not good, bad.

3. Always (more or less) end up at the bottom rank when in platoon, also bad and boring.

4. Platoon is completely messed up, so very bad

5. Loosing streaks have vastely improved, so bad

6. Team work is corrupted with this MM and so is the fun

 

I think you should do a roll back.



Bambodos #20 Posted 08 June 2017 - 07:31 PM

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I am experiencing the exact same thing... Since 9.19 the MM is horrible. I really liked the MM of 9.18 as there were many same tier battle, but now it mainly bottom tier... REALLY SUCKS

 






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