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AC130Pilot #1 Posted 08 June 2017 - 04:39 PM

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https://ritastatusreport.live/2017/04/23/wot-wz-111-model-5a-detailed-stats/



If WZ-111 model 5A replaces 113, then 113 should become available for research from both WZ-120 and WZ-111 model 1-4, as 113 is something between MT and HT.The solution is ideal, because those who are going for 113 won't lose their goal (unlike with the branch leading to Maus) and will be able to choose between armour (because WZ-111 model 5A will most likely have terrible ground resistance stats for balance) and mobility of 113.

 

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Volfrahm #2 Posted 08 June 2017 - 05:11 PM

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Rita's blog post ...

 Elevation/Depression: +23/-10 deg.

 

A Chinese tank with -10o gun depression? Sign me up!



Nishi_Kinuyo #4 Posted 08 June 2017 - 05:33 PM

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So one fake tank is going to replace another fake tank?

GG WG.



Dundato #5 Posted 08 June 2017 - 05:34 PM

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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 08 June 2017 - 04:33 PM, said:

So one fake tank is going to replace another fake tank?

GG WG.

 

1,184 of your battles have been fought in Japanese super-heavy tanks. That's 20% of the total battles you've fought.

 

Just saying. :harp:



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Lol yet again how is such a tank supposed to have -10 degree gundepression.... That breech of the gun has to be huge. And the turret does not have an in particular tall.

 

Wargaming is drunk again? But this time there is cocain in the mix. I can feel that. Also that rate of fire with that alpha. BALANCED DADA COMRADE?

 

E1: Whay do you guys come up with the assumption that the 113 is going to get replaced by that? There are currently plenty of tier 10 tanks "being tested" but not acessable in the game. It might be another reward tank.

 


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antoine130 #8 Posted 08 June 2017 - 05:44 PM

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Defender has more armor up front than this thing. That's all i'm gonna say.

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View PostWunderWurst, on 08 June 2017 - 04:42 PM, said:

Lol yet again how is such a tank supposed to have -10 degree gundepression.... That breech of the gun has to be huge. And the turret does not have an in particular tall.

 

Wargaming is drunk again? But this time there is cocain in the mix. I can feel that. Also that rate of fire with that alpha. BALANCED DADA COMRADE?

 

I guess these are just super test stats. I highly doubt that depression is going to stay at -10, besides being totally unrealistic it also deviates from your standard Chinese heavy tank.

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Yeah, -10 degrees is insane with a russian style flat turret and 130mm gun (seriously the 121 turret is at least 50% taller and it only gets -3.5)

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View PostWarzey, on 08 June 2017 - 05:47 PM, said:

 

I guess these are just super test stats. I highly doubt that depression is going to stay at -10, besides being totally unrealistic it also deviates from your standard Chinese heavy tank.

 

Like the Defender got changed? Or the Chrysler K? Or the Maus, or Type 5 lost its derpgun and armor without weakspots after 3 test iterations?

 

Really? As if Wargaming would do such things. When was the last time some leaked supertest stuff did not make it into the game with exactly the values posted in the leak?



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View Postantoine130, on 08 June 2017 - 04:44 PM, said:

Defender has more armor up front than this thing. That's all i'm gonna say.

 

Yes, because front armor is the only relevant stat of a heavy tank. 

 

How would you explain the T10 LT situation, T100-LT has the worst base view range of the bunch and yet it's the best spotter.



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View PostWarzey, on 08 June 2017 - 05:50 PM, said:

 

Yes, because front armor is the only relevant stat of a heavy tank. 

 

How would you explain the T10 LT situation, T100-LT has the worst base view range of the bunch and yet it's the best spotter.

 

FYI, front armor is very relevant in tier 7-8 games, where Defenders eat everything.

 

T100-LT has the classic soviet style hoverboard hull, paired with a cancerously tiny pancake turret. It's impossible to hit at distance. Even regular soviet meds & WZ tanks are hard as hell to hit on the move from 300+ meters unless you're in a Leo1/Conqueror or something..

 

edit: T100-LT has the highest base camo + with Optics/Vents/BiA it has 450m+ view range like other Tier 10 scouts. 

 

što si toliki WG shill....


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View PostWunderWurst, on 08 June 2017 - 04:49 PM, said:

 

Like the Defender got changed? Or the Chrysler K? Or the Maus, or Type 5 lost its derpgun and armor without weakspots after 3 test iterations?

 

Really? As if Wargaming would do such things. When was the last time some leaked supertest stuff did not make it into the game with exactly the values posted in the leak?

 

Well in this particular case, having -10 depression would be flat out stupid and on top of that it would look stupid in game. Hell, even STB-1 looks weird as hell when it uses -10 depression. On a side note how would you explain a T8 premium, T9 and T10 tank that are variations of the same tank having so different gun depression angles.

 

Although, WG already did similar thing with Chrysler, same gun and ammo as T32, yet the apcr penetration is better on Chrysler.

 

I guess we'll have to wait for the official stats.



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View PostWunderWurst, on 08 June 2017 - 05:49 PM, said:

 

Like the Defender got changed? Or the Chrysler K? Or the Maus, or Type 5 lost its derpgun and armor without weakspots after 3 test iterations?

 

Really? As if Wargaming would do such things. When was the last time some leaked supertest stuff did not make it into the game with exactly the values posted in the leak?

The difference they cant make money of this tank. If its a CW reward=> gonna get nerfed hars. If its the new mission reward=> will be on par with 113. 

 



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View Postantoine130, on 08 June 2017 - 04:55 PM, said:

 

FYI, front armor is very relevant in tier 7-8 games, where Defenders eat everything.

 

T100-LT has the classic soviet style hoverboard hull, paired with a cancerously tiny pancake turret. It's impossible to hit at distance. Even regular soviet meds & WZ tanks are hard as hell to hit on the move from 300+ meters unless you're in a Leo1/Conqueror or something..

 

edit: T100-LT has the highest base camo + with Optics/Vents/BiA it has 450m+ view range like other Tier 10 scouts. 

 

što si toliki WG shill....

 

I have a feeling that you misunderstood me. FroTnt armor of a Defender is most certainly relevant aka good against T6-T7 tanks (this part is kind of irrelevant considering the MM of T8 tanks in latest patches) and T8 tanks with bad penetration. What I tried to say is that armor of a tank is not the only relevant stat, there's also gun stats, mobility and view range which are also very important and need to be considered when calling a tank "good" or "bad".

 

For the record, I think that people are making too much fuss around chrysler and defender. Both of those tanks are not nearly as good and indestructible as people make them out to be. I personally had zero trouble dealing with those tanks while driving both low and high tier tanks, and I'll take my personal experience over an information from a 3rd party website with incomplete statistics that says these tanks are OP.



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View PostWarzey, on 08 June 2017 - 06:13 PM, said:

 

I have a feeling that you misunderstood me. FroTnt armor of a Defender is most certainly relevant aka good against T6-T7 tanks (this part is kind of irrelevant considering the MM of T8 tanks in latest patches) and T8 tanks with bad penetration. What I tried to say is that armor of a tank is not the only relevant stat, there's also gun stats, mobility and view range which are also very important and need to be considered when calling a tank "good" or "bad".

 

For the record, I think that people are making too much fuss around chrysler and defender. Both of those tanks are not nearly as good and indestructible as people make them out to be. I personally had zero trouble dealing with those tanks while driving both low and high tier tanks, and I'll take my personal experience over an information from a 3rd party website with incomplete statistics that says these tanks are OP.

 

An avg WR increase of about 5% in Defender compared to other tier 8 tanks. I would call that fairly op :amazed:

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View PostEggyTheGumGumChewer, on 08 June 2017 - 05:19 PM, said:

 

An avg WR increase of about 5% in Defender compared to other tier 8 tanks. I would call that fairly op :amazed:

 

As I said, I'm not going to call a tank OP because incompetent players are winning a bit more against other incompetent players that are too incompetent to think of a way to deal with a tank.

 

That being said, let's not go off topic more than we already did. 



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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 08 June 2017 - 04:33 PM, said:

So one fake tank is going to replace another fake tank?

GG WG.

 

No the Wz111 is a real tank project with a prototype built, with-out turret, and still sitting in a Chinese museum and not "destroyed in a nuclear test", aka the easy way to spot a Chinese fake.

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As I have said before, a heavy tank with good mobility, good alpha, excellent dpm, excellent turret and excellent gun depression is ridiculously overpowered. It has the all the important aspects with no real downside. Sure, the hull armor is not Maus level, but it´s still good, especially for something so mobile. This looks like its gonna be the next pre-nerf E5, if not better.




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