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Wintermute_1 #1 Posted 10 June 2017 - 04:24 PM

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First thing I should say is that I'm not really a light tank player and I only had an AMX 13 90 pre tier 10 light tanks for the missions and marathons where playing a light is a requirement. With the introduction of tier 10 lights my generally neglected AMX 13 90 jumped up to tier 9 and as I don't like 'unground-out' tanks just sitting there I started playing it again just to get the XP for the tier 10 tank. About 100k into this grind I thought 'hmmm I wonder what I am working towards here' and compared the AMX 13 105 to its 4 tier 10 counterparts, turns out the 13 105 is superior in no aspect at all to the other 4, literally every stat is beaten by another light and the only thing that makes it distinct is the fact that it has a pretty underwhelming autoloader. Am I wrong in thinking that there is no point in getting the AMX 13 105 once I get the XP for it?  

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View PostWintermute_1, on 10 June 2017 - 04:24 PM, said:

 Am I wrong in thinking that there is no point in getting the AMX 13 105 once I get the XP for it?  

 

Nope. Unless you like auto-loaders and you do really well in them.

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From what I heard it's easily better than either that German turd or the Sheridan. Those 2 seem to be really awful and the AMX at least has a decent damage potential thanks to the autoloader. The question you should really ask yourself is why should you get the 13 105 when you could get a Batchat 25t that is superior in anything but camo on the move and not much worse there either?

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View PostWintermute_1, on 10 June 2017 - 04:24 PM, said:

First thing I should say is that I'm not really a light tank player and I only had an AMX 13 90 pre tier 10 light tanks for the missions and marathons where playing a light is a requirement. With the introduction of tier 10 lights my generally neglected AMX 13 90 jumped up to tier 9 and as I don't like 'unground-out' tanks just sitting there I started playing it again just to get the XP for the tier 10 tank. About 100k into this grind I thought 'hmmm I wonder what I am working towards here' and compared the AMX 13 105 to its 4 tier 10 counterparts, turns out the 13 105 is superior in no aspect at all to the other 4, literally every stat is beaten by another light and the only thing that makes it distinct is the fact that it has a pretty underwhelming autoloader. Am I wrong in thinking that there is no point in getting the AMX 13 105 once I get the XP for it?  

Keep grinding and enjoying the AMX 1390 in its current state as long as you can. I predict small adjustments on both LT9 and LT10.

ATM the AMX 1390 is pure pleasure.

The AMX 13105 is not attractive.



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Seems better to me than the  T100 and rhm, it has a quick reloadign autoloader, does 1100 dmg in 5.5s and reloads for 20s. Yeah, its not a great  tank, but for a light its not bad. But it should get its old alpha( 390) , shorter  interclip, and better VR to be competetive.

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View PostNiemandXL, on 10 June 2017 - 04:31 PM, said:

From what I heard it's easily better than either that German turd or the Sheridan. Those 2 seem to be really awful and the AMX at least has a decent damage potential thanks to the autoloader. The question you should really ask yourself is why should you get the 13 105 when you could get a Batchat 25t that is superior in anything but camo on the move and not much worse there either?

 

​Going purely on stats the RHM has 10 degrees of gun depression and by far the most accurate gun, joint top hps, its the quickest and has the joint top base view range. The Sheridan also has 10 degrees of gun depression, quickest aim time, top DPM and joint top hps and base view range. I'm not saying that makes them good in practice (haven't played them) but at least I can see what they are supposed to be good at on paper. The 13 105 just looks all round sucky.

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Whats the point of any of the tier X lights?

 

View PostWintermute_1, on 10 June 2017 - 03:41 PM, said:

 

​Going purely on stats the RHM has 10 degrees of gun depression and by far the most accurate gun, joint top hps, its the quickest and has the joint top base view range. The Sheridan also has 10 degrees of gun depression, quickest aim time, top DPM and joint top hps and base view range. I'm not saying that makes them good in practice (haven't played them) but at least I can see what they are supposed to be good at on paper. The 13 105 just looks all round sucky.

I have the Sheridan and the gun is incredibly troll. Its got amazing bloom and barely requires any aiming for it to be fully aimed but its accuracy is 0.38 

 

 

Edited by fishbob101, 10 June 2017 - 04:43 PM.


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View PostWintermute_1, on 10 June 2017 - 05:41 PM, said:

 

​Going purely on stats the RHM has 10 degrees of gun depression and by far the most accurate gun, joint top hps, its the quickest and has the joint top base view range. The Sheridan also has 10 degrees of gun depression, quickest aim time, top DPM and joint top hps and base view range. I'm not saying that makes them good in practice (haven't played them) but at least I can see what they are supposed to be good at on paper. The 13 105 just looks all round sucky.

 

Sheridan is HUGE for a light tank and being huge and made from toilet paper are not traits that go very well together. And because it's so huge it also has the worst camo values of them all. That Russian pancake for example is really hard to hit at long ranges. The Sheridan is an easy target at any range.

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View PostWintermute_1, on 10 June 2017 - 04:41 PM, said:

 

​Going purely on stats the RHM has 10 degrees of gun depression and by far the most accurate gun, joint top hps, its the quickest and has the joint top base view range. The Sheridan also has 10 degrees of gun depression, quickest aim time, top DPM and joint top hps and base view range. I'm not saying that makes them good in practice (haven't played them) but at least I can see what they are supposed to be good at on paper. The 13 105 just looks all round sucky.

What it comes down to is this:

Rhm: bad gun, fast, no armor and huge

Sheridan: decent gun, fast, no armor, huge

Amx: decent gun, fast, some armor, pretty smal

Wz132: good gun, fast, armor, small

T100: no gun, very fast, armor, small

 

The amx can actually do something, it can clip tanks and be sneaky. The sheridan cant, it doesnt have a med tank gun and it has med tank camo. The rhm has a bad gun, and cant hide.  In the amx, in actual battle, there is always something you have over your enemies, either dmg output, camo or speed. In the others al yoy have is speed. And practicly they are all fast, doesnt actually matter if you go 69 or 75.



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View Postbrumbarr, on 10 June 2017 - 05:12 PM, said:

Amx: decent gun, fast, some armor, pretty smal

 

WAT? :teethhappy:



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View PostScabolcz, on 10 June 2017 - 06:29 PM, said:

 

WAT? :teethhappy:

 

french do tend not to get penned by HE frontally and tracks sorb a lot of HE as well.

 

it's not armor, it's magic angles.

 

Germans etc get penned by incredibly low pen HE very easily



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The amx has 50ish armor that can stop HE shells and doesnt get overmachted often so it can bounce. The sheridan and rhm get penned by everyhing at any angle, and by he shells pretty much everywhere.

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http://tanks.gg/tank/amx-13-105/model

 

13 105 only has only a small plate of 50mm... Unless you get lucky, and if HE hit your tracks, your going to be penned by everything that hits you.

Maybe its more correct to say that it has big tracks 


Edited by Scabolcz, 10 June 2017 - 07:01 PM.


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View PostScabolcz, on 10 June 2017 - 05:59 PM, said:

http://tanks.gg/tank/amx-13-105/model

 

13 105 only has only a small plate of 50mm... Unless you get lucky, and if HE hit your tracks, your going to be penned by everything that hits you.

Maybe its more correct to say that it has big tracks 

 

French lights and mediums have notoriously troll tracks. Alot of the time hitting on/near the track even with an enormous jageroo turd shell can mean a track but no damage hit

Edited by RamRaid90, 10 June 2017 - 07:05 PM.


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View Postbrumbarr, on 10 June 2017 - 05:12 PM, said:

What it comes down to is this:

Rhm: bad gun, fast, no armor and huge

Sheridan: decent gun, fast, no armor, huge

Amx: decent gun, fast, some armor, pretty smal

Wz132: good gun, fast, armor, small

T100: no gun, very fast, armor, small

 

The amx can actually do something, it can clip tanks and be sneaky. The sheridan cant, it doesnt have a med tank gun and it has med tank camo. The rhm has a bad gun, and cant hide.  In the amx, in actual battle, there is always something you have over your enemies, either dmg output, camo or speed. In the others al yoy have is speed. And practicly they are all fast, doesnt actually matter if you go 69 or 75.

Good summary. You at least made me feel a bit better about it.



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View PostWintermute_1, on 10 June 2017 - 07:19 PM, said:

Good summary. You at least made me feel a bit better about it.

Dont worry, its still worse than any medium tank :)



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View PostScabolcz, on 10 June 2017 - 06:59 PM, said:

http://tanks.gg/tank/amx-13-105/model

 

13 105 only has only a small plate of 50mm... Unless you get lucky, and if HE hit your tracks, your going to be penned by everything that hits you.

Maybe its more correct to say that it has big tracks 

Could have sworn it was more, but still it doesnt get overmatches by 120mm rounds then. Still 3 times as much armor as the rhm.



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View Postbrumbarr, on 10 June 2017 - 07:20 PM, said:

Dont worry, its still worse than any medium tank :)

 

Give with 1 hand take with the other. ;)  As someone already pointed out the Bat Chat is probably a better option, i unlocked that but didnt get it because ironically it was too scoutlike for me. I'll just stick with the 13 90 light wise, itll probably do for any mission/marathon that comes up.

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View PostWintermute_1, on 10 June 2017 - 07:25 PM, said:

 

Give with 1 hand take with the other. ;)  As someone already pointed out the Bat Chat is probably a better option, i unlocked that but didnt get it because ironically it was too scoutlike for me. I'll just stick with the 13 90 light wise, itll probably do for any mission/marathon that comes up.

 

Well, I have 60K to go for the amx, i will tell you :)

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french line is garbage totally useless if you go heavy go swedish auto loaders if medium go czechoslovakian they are the best in the game

 


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